Asp Forum - Re: The Uncertainty Principle Is Untenable

Josef 'Jupp' Schugt

9/30/2003 12:16:00 AM

Hi!

* ada; 2003-09-29, 18:22 UTC:
> please reply to hdgbyi@public.guangzhou.gd.cn
> thank you.

You did accidentally post to a non-physics group. Consider canceling
it.

> By re-analysing Heisenberg's Gamma-Ray Microscope experiment and
> the ideal experiment from which the uncertainty principle is
> derived, it is actually found that the uncertainty principle can
> not be obtained from them. It is therefore found to be untenable.

Just let me drop *one* sentence on that: In natural sciences the
falsification of a theory does not mean showing that it cannot be
derived from a certain experiment but showing that it *contradicts* a
certain experiment.

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6 Answers

Tim Bates

9/30/2003 12:57:00 AM

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 09:15:30AM +0900, Josef Schugt wrote:
> * ada; 2003-09-29, 18:22 UTC:
> > please reply to hdgbyi@public.guangzhou.gd.cn
> > thank you.
>
> You did accidentally post to a non-physics group. Consider canceling
> it.

This is not an accident - this is actually spam. It''s the weirdest spam
I ever did see, and doesn''t look like it''s going to make anyone any
money, but it has most of the other characteristics of spam: the body of
the message asking you to reply to an address other than the sender''s,
the outgoing mailserver (218.19.33.25 - a Chinese IP) not matching the
sender''s address (hotmail.com); the mailserver''s name being invalid
("gbh-1vnpehxr63g"). This has all the hallmarks of a spam mail, without
containing any sales content whatsoever. This is how new-age spam
filters need to catch things.

Oh, and to keep the OT Police happy, please don''t reply to this mail
lest we start a big thread based only on spam. :)

Tim Bates
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Eric Hodel

9/30/2003 1:54:00 AM

Josef ''Jupp'' Schugt (jupp@gmx.de) wrote:

> Hi!
>
> * ada; 2003-09-29, 18:22 UTC:
> > please reply to hdgbyi@public.guangzhou.gd.cn
> > thank you.
>
> You did accidentally post to a non-physics group. Consider canceling
> it.
>
> > By re-analysing Heisenberg''s Gamma-Ray Microscope experiment and
> > the ideal experiment from which the uncertainty principle is
> > derived, it is actually found that the uncertainty principle can
> > not be obtained from them. It is therefore found to be untenable.
>
> Just let me drop *one* sentence on that: In natural sciences the
> falsification of a theory does not mean showing that it cannot be
> derived from a certain experiment but showing that it *contradicts* a
> certain experiment.

What does this have to do with Ruby? Please keep the list on-topic, and
make your replies private, if they have nothing to do with Ruby.

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Gavin Sinclair

9/30/2003 5:12:00 AM

> Josef ''Jupp'' Schugt (jupp@gmx.de) wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> * ada; 2003-09-29, 18:22 UTC:
>> > please reply to hdgbyi@public.guangzhou.gd.cn
>> > thank you.
>>
>> You did accidentally post to a non-physics group. Consider canceling
>> it.
>>
>> > By re-analysing Heisenberg''s Gamma-Ray Microscope experiment and the
>> ideal experiment from which the uncertainty principle is
>> > derived, it is actually found that the uncertainty principle can not
>> be obtained from them. It is therefore found to be untenable.
>>
>> Just let me drop *one* sentence on that: In natural sciences the
>> falsification of a theory does not mean showing that it cannot be
>> derived from a certain experiment but showing that it *contradicts* a
>> certain experiment.
>
> What does this have to do with Ruby? Please keep the list on-topic, and
> make your replies private, if they have nothing to do with Ruby.

The last time I suggested the creation of an off-topic list, say
ruby-ot@ruby-lang.org, there was no enthusiasm, in fact no replies.

But the full potential of a community of knowledgeable people is not met
without off-topic discussion.

Gavin

James Britt

9/30/2003 5:46:00 AM

Gavin Sinclair wrote:
> The last time I suggested the creation of an off-topic list, say
> ruby-ot@ruby-lang.org, there was no enthusiasm, in fact no replies.
>

You may need to disguise such topics inside some spam in order to ensure
the most discussion.

James

Jason Creighton

9/30/2003 4:10:00 PM

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:46:16 +0900
James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@seemyemail.com> wrote:

> Gavin Sinclair wrote:
> > The last time I suggested the creation of an off-topic list, say
> > ruby-ot@ruby-lang.org, there was no enthusiasm, in fact no replies.
> >
>
> You may need to disguise such topics inside some spam in order to ensure
> the most discussion.

hehe.

From: lazystudent@example.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
Subject: PLEASE HELP URGENT URGENT URGENT!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:03:17 -0600

Dear Sir/Madam:

i require help plz, i need to setup off-topic "mailing list". i cannot
do my homework on my own, could u plz help me??????

thank you,

lzy stdnt.

[Come to think of it, I can''t wait until we get homework questions on
c.l.r, because it''ll mean that Ruby has filtered down to the Unwashed
Masses.]

Jason Creighton

Hal E. Fulton

9/30/2003 8:24:00 PM

Jason Creighton wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:46:16 +0900
> James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@seemyemail.com> wrote:
>>You may need to disguise such topics inside some spam in order to ensure
>>the most discussion.
>
> hehe.
>
> From: lazystudent@example.com
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
> Subject: PLEASE HELP URGENT URGENT URGENT!!!!!!
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:03:17 -0600
>
> Dear Sir/Madam:
>
> i require help plz, i need to setup off-topic "mailing list". i cannot
> do my homework on my own, could u plz help me??????
>
> thank you,
>
> lzy stdnt.

LOL

Actually I think we''ve seen one or two in the past already.
Always encouraging.

> [Come to think of it, I can''t wait until we get homework questions on
> c.l.r, because it''ll mean that Ruby has filtered down to the Unwashed
> Masses.]

Hmm, I haven''t showered yet, does that count?

Hal

comp.lang.ruby

Re: The Uncertainty Principle Is Untenable