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Correction: "religious"

Daniel Carrera

9/5/2003 7:00:00 PM

It has come to my attention that the word religious can, indeed, be
correctly used in contexts that have nothing to do with God. The word
"religious" apparently can also be used to mean "strict" or as a reference
to zealous devotion to something.

I was not aware of this alternative definition. I am sad that it exists
because it casts people of faith in a bad light. Someone can say that
they are "religious" and mean that they believe that God exists, and the
listener might interpret that they are saying that they are zealous and
strict. I guess I'll have to avoid using that word.

In any event, I stand corrected.

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11 Answers

Lothar Scholz

9/5/2003 8:20:00 PM

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Hello Daniel,

Friday, September 5, 2003, 7:59:33 PM, you wrote:

DC> I was not aware of this alternative definition. I am sad that it exists
DC> because it casts people of faith in a bad light. Someone can say that
DC> they are "religious" and mean that they believe that God exists, and the
DC> listener might interpret that they are saying that they are zealous and
DC> strict. I guess I''ll have to avoid using that word.

I was using the word to describe people who think that "something can
make a better world" without giving rational explainations, only based on
their belive that this will happen. This is religion.

So not only R.Stallmann but also, G.W.Bush and his Voodo Priests are
religious even if they only believe in the Dollar God.

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Tobias Reif

9/5/2003 8:29:00 PM

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At least insert [OT] in the subject line.

TIA,
Tobi

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Daniel Carrera

9/5/2003 8:29:00 PM

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> I was using the word to describe people who think that "something can
> make a better world" without giving rational explainations, only based on
> their belive that this will happen. This is religion.

Is that also a standard definition of the word "religious"? I have never
heard it. But I think we just showed that I don''t necessarily know what
this word means.

So, if I tell you that I have faith in God, but it is based on reasoning
and evidence (archelogy is handy for this), would you say that I am
"religious".

Given this definition of religious, I guess I am not a religous person at
all. I strongly oppose believing things without any basis.

> So not only R.Stallmann

How does RMS fit this definition? I''m not defending RMS, I''m just
asking.

> but also, G.W.Bush and his Voodo Priests are
> religious even if they only believe in the Dollar God.

That I agree with, but we probably shouldn''t discuss it. It is flambait.

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Daniel Carrera

9/5/2003 8:31:00 PM

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On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 05:29:02AM +0900, Tobias Reif wrote:
> At least insert [OT] in the subject line.
>

Sorry, didn''t think of that. I simply wanted to say "I stand corrected".

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Scott Thompson

9/5/2003 9:12:00 PM

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>> but also, G.W.Bush and his Voodo Priests are
>> religious even if they only believe in the Dollar God.
>
> That I agree with, but we probably shouldn''t discuss it. It is
> flambait.

I should also point out that, although I''ve only met George Senior, I
come from the same city in West Texas that George W. and Ms. Bush lived
in for quite some time, Midland , TX. Given the climate of the town
and what little I know of the Bush family from second-hand information,
to say that G. W. Bush''s religion is anything other than the worship of
God is a rather misguided statement that blatantly ignores both the
evidence and the facts.

Flamebait indeed.

Scott


Martin DeMello

9/6/2003 9:17:00 AM

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Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@math.umd.edu> wrote:
> It has come to my attention that the word religious can, indeed, be
> correctly used in contexts that have nothing to do with God. The word
> "religious" apparently can also be used to mean "strict" or as a reference
> to zealous devotion to something.
>
> I was not aware of this alternative definition. I am sad that it exists
> because it casts people of faith in a bad light. Someone can say that
> they are "religious" and mean that they believe that God exists, and the
> listener might interpret that they are saying that they are zealous and
> strict. I guess I''ll have to avoid using that word.

I don''t believe this definition extends to describing a *person* as
''religious'', though. Thus, "he observed the highway code religiously",
or "he maintained a religious devotion to Ruby", or even "he was
religious in his attention to detail" are all okay, but "he was
religious" is unambiguously a reference to the "God" sense of the word.

martin

Tim Hammerquist

9/6/2003 9:51:00 AM

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Daniel Carrera graced us by uttering:
>> I was using the word to describe people who think that
>> "something can make a better world" without giving rational
>> explainations, only based on their belive that this will
>> happen. This is religion.
>
> Is that also a standard definition of the word "religious"? I
> have never heard it. But I think we just showed that I don''t
> necessarily know what this word means.

In my group of friends we had a lot of people saying, "What does
X mean?" We always kept a dictionary around for just that sort
of thing. In that spirit, the following is from Webster''s
Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913). Note the "Note:"
especially.

| Religion \Re*li"gion\ (r[-e]*l[i^]j"[u^]n), n. [F., from L.
| religio; cf. religens pious, revering the gods, Gr. ''ale`gein
| to heed, have a care. Cf. Neglect.]
| <snip>
| 4. Strictness of fidelity in conforming to any practice, as
| if it were an enjoined rule of conduct. [R.]
|
| Those parts of pleading which in ancient times
| might perhaps be material, but at this time are
| become only mere styles and forms, are still
| continued with much religion.
| --Sir M. Hale.
|
| Note: Religion, as distinguished from theology, is
| subjective, designating the feelings and acts of men
| which relate to God; while theology is objective, and
| denotes those ideas which man entertains respecting
| the God whom he worships, especially his systematized
| views of God. As distinguished from morality, religion
| denotes the influences and motives to human duty which
| are found in the character and will of God, while
| morality describes the duties to man, to which true
| religion always influences. As distinguished from
| piety, religion is a high sense of moral obligation
| and spirit of reverence or worship which affect the
| heart of man with respect to the Deity, while piety,
| which first expressed the feelings of a child toward a
| parent, is used for that filial sentiment of
| veneration and love which we owe to the Father of all.
| As distinguished from sanctity, religion is the means
| by which sanctity is achieved, sanctity denoting
| primarily that purity of heart and life which results
| from habitual communion with God, and a sense of his
| continual presence.

HTH,
Tim Hammerquist
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Tobias Reif

9/6/2003 12:40:00 PM

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I am not a moderator, but as a member/subscriber I really would
appreciate it if you guys would religiously stick to inserting "[OT]" in
the subject lines of such posts.

The traffic is very high already, and people who are interested in
Ruby-related topics can send [OT] posts to the trash.

TIA,
Tobi

Martin DeMello wrote:
[...]
> I don''t believe this definition extends to describing a *person* as
> ''religious'', though.

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Martin DeMello

9/6/2003 3:53:00 PM

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Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> wrote:
> I am not a moderator, but as a member/subscriber I really would
> appreciate it if you guys would religiously stick to inserting "[OT]" in
> the subject lines of such posts.

Sorry, my bad.

martin

Lothar Scholz

9/6/2003 10:32:00 PM

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Hello Martin,

Saturday, September 6, 2003, 10:32:31 AM, you wrote:

MD> religious" is unambiguously a reference to the "God" sense of the word.

Which is incorrect because at least one of the 4 most important world
religion don''t have a unique abstract thing called "God".

This shows that you only think about western style religions (which of
course includes the islam).


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