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Case insensitive for OpenXML

Kyle Alons

3/21/2007 2:21:00 PM

I found that OpenXML seems to be case sensitive,
it means that it cannot find match columnname if case is different.

Case-Sensitive is not good for me, I hope to set it up to case insensitive,
is it possible?

---Frank Lee, using SQL2005 development sp1


7 Answers

Mubashir Khan

3/21/2007 3:29:00 PM

0

XML is case sensitive ....

you may require to include some case insensitive SGML parser in your stored
procedures.

And i guess you may look for .net version and use .net to write procedures

"Frank Lee" <Reply@to.newsgroup> wrote in message
news:%23bfKeQ8aHHA.4856@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I found that OpenXML seems to be case sensitive,
> it means that it cannot find match columnname if case is different.
>
> Case-Sensitive is not good for me, I hope to set it up to case
> insensitive,
> is it possible?
>
> ---Frank Lee, using SQL2005 development sp1
>


Kyle Alons

3/21/2007 4:51:00 PM

0


"Mubashir Khan" <mubi@yahoo.com> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó·s»D:OmYCH38aHHA.4888@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> XML is case sensitive ....
>
> you may require to include some case insensitive SGML parser in your
> stored procedures.
>
> And i guess you may look for .net version and use .net to write procedures
>

Thanks for your help.
I use a stupid way to solve XML case sensitive problem as followed,

1.Get all column names from the view INFORMATION_SCHEMA.Columns
2.Get only one column name each time by Cursor (@ColName=@ColName+'="')
3.Replace column names by using REPLACE function

Since REPLACE function is case insensitive when searching matched string,
all column names in XML would be replace to same column name with same case.

Thanks anyway.

---Frank Lee.


Scout

3/6/2014 7:12:00 AM

0



"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
news:gs0gh997p52isstgjqjtu1k9d5bgah583s@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 23:31:28 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>news:s9tfh91pe02fu0h3586vbclerlhddbpvoe@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 22:53:56 -0500, "Scout"
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:eopfh9d3g74ogsfpu8347rv64olb8d4fca@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:50:22 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:jhjfh9p078t987ne6jq2p9qfrqvdun6vnl@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 23:41:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:fvtch9pevt9i8uf8p69thaj45t055462ni@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:13:33 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:n31ah9hb0qrtmqr9tls89fch04nc66sjkk@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:49:03 +0000 (UTC), Guy Fawkes
>>>>>>>>>>> <No_email_for_you@wahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dakota <markp@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:lf2jkc$iaa$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2014 12:37 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just Wondering <fmhlaw@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:5314c8d7$0$59051$862e30e2@ngroups.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2014 4:49 AM, Dakota wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2014 10:25 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:lf0u99$5ll$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 7:29:22 PM UTC-8, John Manning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2014 9:31 PM, hlil...@juno.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:43:32 PM UTC-8,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spencer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberal and minority groups can't get Voter ID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cards?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is harder to get those if you are not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is hard to get two of them so you can vote twice (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> four
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or ten).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The GOP's Voter ID laws intentionally and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maliciously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it harder for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor and minority voters - who usually vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They make it equally hard for everyone to vote. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why a minority voter would have a harder time getting ID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority voter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, federal already requires photo ID to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm. Is the federal government making it harder for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minority people to purchase firearms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck the federal government requires Photo ID to obtain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided for the poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the federal government attempting to keep from aiding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The stupidity of you right-wingers is palpable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The federal government does not require photo IDs from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various states. Photo ID laws have been enacted only in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual US states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one has a constitutional right to aid for the poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the age of 18 has a constitutional right to vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incarcerated in some states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And non-citizens have NO right to vote, and every vote by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entitled to vote diminishes the right of those who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entitled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes it eminently sensible to impose a minimum requirement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prospective voters to prove they are citizens before giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to a ballot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voter fraud is so rare that it's absurd to claim it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo ID laws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Apparently honesty in Liberals is even rarer. I've seen it
>>>>>>>>>>>>numerous
>>>>>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>>>>>here in Virginia. And frankly those that fuck with the vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>deserve
>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>special kind of hell, as do thier defenders.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you truly believe that, then your support of voter
>>>>>>>>>>> suppression
>>>>>>>>>>> places you firmly in line for that special hell.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>While your support of voter fraud places you in which line?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What support of voter fraud would that be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Those who vote fraudulently because you support not requiring them
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>present ID.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As is often the case, you make no sense at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In what way is a digital register of all eligible voters
>>>>>>>>> supporting
>>>>>>>>> voter fraud?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>By supporting NOT having to present ID to votel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You make no sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Simple. You want to allow it to be easy to engage in fraudulent
>>>>>>voting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thus you're fucking with the vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> supporting measures that ensure fair and free elections as opposed
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> disenfranchising millions is by no means supporting your chimerical
>>>>>>> voter fraud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Show that ID would disenfranchise millions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've ask you before and to date you've yet to be able to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Liar..liar..pants on fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> But here it is again for you to snip and deny receiving
>>>>>
>>>>> Voter ID Laws Disenfranchise Millions
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-photo-id-be-required-to-vote/voter-id-laws-disenfranchis...
>>>>>
>>>>> The new wave of photo ID laws sweeping the country will strip the
>>>>> right to vote from millions of eligible voters across America. Here in
>>>>> Minnesota it could lead to a complete restructuring of our election
>>>>> system, potentially removing same-day registration and absentee
>>>>> ballots. It's an extreme and unnecessary measure that threatens our
>>>>> most basic democratic practice as citizens.
>>>>>
>>>>> We too often forget those who could be left behind if we insist upon
>>>>> government-issued IDs. According to the Brennan Center for Justice, 10
>>>>> percent of all eligible voters and 25 percent of eligible
>>>>> African-American voters do not have government-issued IDs. The
>>>>> homeless, the homebound, returning veterans, the elderly, people of
>>>>> color, and college students are all vulnerable to these new laws. In
>>>>> 2008, 2.2 million were turned away at the polls for lack of a proper
>>>>> ID. We have long had a system in place to identify voters at
>>>>> polls-through address verifications and systems of vouching.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that we are not a country that requires its citizens to carry
>>>>> government-issued IDs, this is an extreme burden on the electorate.
>>>>> While you need an ID to carry out many daily duties of life, one does
>>>>> not need an ID to participate in fundamental rights-free speech,
>>>>> practicing religion, and voting.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is little to no evidence of misuse of identification by voters
>>>>> at polls. Often described as a "solution in search of a problem,"
>>>>> photo ID laws lift up the mythical specter of voter fraud, and in
>>>>> doing so, disenfranchise millions. In a country that prides itself on
>>>>> upholding democracy here and abroad, we must ask ourselves whether we
>>>>> are willing to dismantle our current system of participation and opt
>>>>> instead for a restrictive one that discourages and disenfranchises.
>>>>
>>>>And where in all of this does it say that millions of eligible voters
>>>>would
>>>>find it impossible or even difficult to obtain the necessary ID?
>>>>
>>>>All it says is right now some don't have it.
>>>>
>>>>Big deal.
>>>>
>>>>That's sort of like saying 28% of eligible voters are disenfranchised
>>>>because they aren't registered to vote.
>>>>
>>>>Yet, you support voter registration. You, hypocrite you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Oh, and you are aware that registration is a burdensome system that
>>>>>>>>disenfranchises millions of eligible Americans. About 28% at last
>>>>>>>>count.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no but I am aware of the avalanche of lies launched to destroy
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>> like ACORN helping folk to register.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then maybe you should educate yourself before you start making claims
>>>>>>about
>>>>>>millions being disenfranchised
>>>>
>>>>Silence noted. Seems asking you to know what you're talking about is too
>>>>much for you to comment on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Face it,you people loathe democracy and common people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Says the person who prefers fraud in our elections.
>>>
>>> As much as you would like silence it's not going to happen.
>>
>>
>>And GOPer unable to refute my points or defend his claims attempts to
>>change
>>the subject.
>>
>
> Oh yeah...refuting your bullshit is REALLY changing the subject...NOT

It certainly is. You're attempting to change it from what you are after to
the opinion of some judge who isn't here and can't be called on the debate
the issue here.

> http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/19/judge-strikes-down-pa-vot...
>
> On January 17th, 2014, a Pennsylvania judge struck down the state's
> voter ID law. In his detailed ruling, the Commonwealth Court Judge
> found that the PA voter ID law placed an undue burden on the people,
> negatively impacting the elderly, the disabled and the poor.
> The Judge issued a detailed ruling against the PA voter ID law.
>
> In his 103-page decision, Judge Bernard L. McGinley wrote:
>
> "Voting laws are designed to assure a free and fair election. The
> voter ID law does not further this goal."


Really?

Working to insure that the votes cast aren't fraudulent does noting to
assure a free and FAIR election?

Wasn't that hard to refute your judge, so now we're back to you and your
reasoning for why you wish to allow people to be able to engage in voter
fraud because it's so easy to do.

Klaus Schadenfreude

3/6/2014 12:19:00 PM

0

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 19:21:40 -0800, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
<Dev@null.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:51:53 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude
><KlausSchadenfreude@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:36:41 -0800, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 23:41:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:fvtch9pevt9i8uf8p69thaj45t055462ni@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:13:33 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>> <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:n31ah9hb0qrtmqr9tls89fch04nc66sjkk@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:49:03 +0000 (UTC), Guy Fawkes
>>>>>>> <No_email_for_you@wahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dakota <markp@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in news:lf2jkc$iaa$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2014 12:37 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Just Wondering <fmhlaw@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:5314c8d7$0$59051$862e30e2@ngroups.net:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2014 4:49 AM, Dakota wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2014 10:25 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:lf0u99$5ll$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 7:29:22 PM UTC-8, John Manning wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2014 9:31 PM, hlil...@juno.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:43:32 PM UTC-8, spencer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberal and minority groups can't get Voter ID cards?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is harder to get those if you are not a citizen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is hard to get two of them so you can vote twice (or three or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> four
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or ten).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The GOP's Voter ID laws intentionally and maliciously make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it harder for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor and minority voters - who usually vote Democratic - to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They make it equally hard for everyone to vote. There is no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why a minority voter would have a harder time getting ID than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority voter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, federal already requires photo ID to purchase a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm. Is the federal government making it harder for poor and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minority people to purchase firearms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck the federal government requires Photo ID to obtain the aid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided for the poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the federal government attempting to keep from aiding the poor?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The stupidity of you right-wingers is palpable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The federal government does not require photo IDs from voters in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> various states. Photo ID laws have been enacted only in some
>>>>>>>>>>>> individual US states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No one has a constitutional right to aid for the poor. Every
>>>>>>>>>>>> citizen
>>>>>>>>>>>> over the age of 18 has a constitutional right to vote unless
>>>>>>>>>>>> incarcerated in some states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And non-citizens have NO right to vote, and every vote by one not
>>>>>>>>>>> entitled to vote diminishes the right of those who are entitled.
>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>> makes it eminently sensible to impose a minimum requirement on
>>>>>>>>>>> prospective voters to prove they are citizens before giving them
>>>>>>>>>>> access to a ballot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Works for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Voter fraud is so rare that it's absurd to claim it's the reason for
>>>>>>>>> photo ID laws.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apparently honesty in Liberals is even rarer. I've seen it numerous
>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>here in Virginia. And frankly those that fuck with the vote deserve a
>>>>>>>>special kind of hell, as do thier defenders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you truly believe that, then your support of voter suppression
>>>>>>> places you firmly in line for that special hell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>While your support of voter fraud places you in which line?
>>>>>
>>>>> What support of voter fraud would that be?
>>>>
>>>>Those who vote fraudulently because you support not requiring them to
>>>>present ID.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As is often the case, you make no sense at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> In what way is a digital register of all eligible voters supporting
>>>>> voter fraud?
>>>>
>>>>By supporting NOT having to present ID to votel
>>>
>>>You make no sense.
>>>
>>>supporting measures that ensure fair and free elections as opposed to
>>
>>You don't.
>>
>>That's the problem. You admit there is fraud and you don't give a shit
>>if it continues or not.
>
>Utterly insignificant

See what I mean? You people just don't give a shit.

>and a preposterous pretext.

It's not a pretext.

>>Asking for ID is not a burden of any kind.
>
>It is for those who haven't got photo ID

No it is not. This is 2014. It's not 1814. We use photo ID's now. Get
one.


>Why not man up and admit you only want the rich voting?
>
>You are fooling nobody.

LOL

Even the poorest, dumbest liberals I know have a photo ID.

Is the pretext of your whining that the poor can't get a photo ID?

Really?

They're so poor and stupid that can't even identify themselves?

Then you're right. I don't want those people to vote. They're
children, and children shouldn't vote.



"Based on the stupid shit you post and your apalling [sic] lack of
education I'm sure your kids are dummer [sic] than sheep."
-Professor Deep Dudu

Klaus Schadenfreude

3/6/2014 12:20:00 PM

0

On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 22:48:29 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>> Why not man up and admit you only want the rich voting?
>
>So only the rich have ID?
>
>That's pretty amazing. Can you produce support for that claim?
>
>Somehow, I'm thinking you can't.
>

The really amazing thing is that they can say this with a straight
face.


"Based on the stupid shit you post and your apalling [sic] lack of
education I'm sure your kids are dummer [sic] than sheep."
-Professor Deep Dudu

RD Sandman

3/6/2014 6:12:00 PM

0

GOP_Decline_and_Fall <Dev@null.net> wrote in
news:gs0gh997p52isstgjqjtu1k9d5bgah583s@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 23:31:28 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>news:s9tfh91pe02fu0h3586vbclerlhddbpvoe@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 22:53:56 -0500, "Scout"
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:eopfh9d3g74ogsfpu8347rv64olb8d4fca@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:50:22 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:jhjfh9p078t987ne6jq2p9qfrqvdun6vnl@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 23:41:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:fvtch9pevt9i8uf8p69thaj45t055462ni@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:13:33 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:n31ah9hb0qrtmqr9tls89fch04nc66sjkk@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:49:03 +0000 (UTC), Guy Fawkes
>>>>>>>>>>> <No_email_for_you@wahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dakota <markp@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:lf2jkc$iaa$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2014 12:37 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just Wondering <fmhlaw@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:5314c8d7$0$59051$862e30e2@ngroups.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2014 4:49 AM, Dakota wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2014 10:25 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:lf0u99$5ll$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 7:29:22 PM UTC-8, John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manning wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2014 9:31 PM, hlil...@juno.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:43:32 PM UTC-8,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spencer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberal and minority groups can't get Voter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cards?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is harder to get those if you are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is hard to get two of them so you can vote twice (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> four
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or ten).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The GOP's Voter ID laws intentionally and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maliciously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it harder for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor and minority voters - who usually vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They make it equally hard for everyone to vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why a minority voter would have a harder time getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ID than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority voter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, federal already requires photo ID to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm. Is the federal government making it harder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minority people to purchase firearms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck the federal government requires Photo ID to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtain the aid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided for the poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the federal government attempting to keep from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aiding the poor?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The stupidity of you right-wingers is palpable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The federal government does not require photo IDs from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voters in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various states. Photo ID laws have been enacted only in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some individual US states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one has a constitutional right to aid for the poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every citizen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the age of 18 has a constitutional right to vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless incarcerated in some states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And non-citizens have NO right to vote, and every vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entitled to vote diminishes the right of those who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entitled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes it eminently sensible to impose a minimum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement on prospective voters to prove they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens before giving them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to a ballot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voter fraud is so rare that it's absurd to claim it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo ID laws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Apparently honesty in Liberals is even rarer. I've seen it
>>>>>>>>>>>>numerous
>>>>>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>>>>>here in Virginia. And frankly those that fuck with the vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>deserve
>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>special kind of hell, as do thier defenders.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you truly believe that, then your support of voter
>>>>>>>>>>> suppression places you firmly in line for that special hell.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>While your support of voter fraud places you in which line?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What support of voter fraud would that be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Those who vote fraudulently because you support not requiring
>>>>>>>>them to present ID.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As is often the case, you make no sense at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In what way is a digital register of all eligible voters
>>>>>>>>> supporting voter fraud?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>By supporting NOT having to present ID to votel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You make no sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Simple. You want to allow it to be easy to engage in fraudulent
>>>>>>voting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thus you're fucking with the vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> supporting measures that ensure fair and free elections as
>>>>>>> opposed to disenfranchising millions is by no means supporting
>>>>>>> your chimerical voter fraud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Show that ID would disenfranchise millions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've ask you before and to date you've yet to be able to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Liar..liar..pants on fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> But here it is again for you to snip and deny receiving
>>>>>
>>>>> Voter ID Laws Disenfranchise Millions
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-photo-id-be-requ...
>>>>> te/voter-id-laws-disenfranchise-millions
>>>>>
>>>>> The new wave of photo ID laws sweeping the country will strip the
>>>>> right to vote from millions of eligible voters across America.
>>>>> Here in Minnesota it could lead to a complete restructuring of our
>>>>> election system, potentially removing same-day registration and
>>>>> absentee ballots. It's an extreme and unnecessary measure that
>>>>> threatens our most basic democratic practice as citizens.
>>>>>
>>>>> We too often forget those who could be left behind if we insist
>>>>> upon government-issued IDs. According to the Brennan Center for
>>>>> Justice, 10 percent of all eligible voters and 25 percent of
>>>>> eligible African-American voters do not have government-issued
>>>>> IDs. The homeless, the homebound, returning veterans, the elderly,
>>>>> people of color, and college students are all vulnerable to these
>>>>> new laws. In 2008, 2.2 million were turned away at the polls for
>>>>> lack of a proper ID. We have long had a system in place to
>>>>> identify voters at polls-through address verifications and systems
>>>>> of vouching.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that we are not a country that requires its citizens to
>>>>> carry government-issued IDs, this is an extreme burden on the
>>>>> electorate. While you need an ID to carry out many daily duties of
>>>>> life, one does not need an ID to participate in fundamental
>>>>> rights-free speech, practicing religion, and voting.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is little to no evidence of misuse of identification by
>>>>> voters at polls. Often described as a "solution in search of a
>>>>> problem," photo ID laws lift up the mythical specter of voter
>>>>> fraud, and in doing so, disenfranchise millions. In a country that
>>>>> prides itself on upholding democracy here and abroad, we must ask
>>>>> ourselves whether we are willing to dismantle our current system
>>>>> of participation and opt instead for a restrictive one that
>>>>> discourages and disenfranchises.
>>>>
>>>>And where in all of this does it say that millions of eligible
>>>>voters would
>>>>find it impossible or even difficult to obtain the necessary ID?
>>>>
>>>>All it says is right now some don't have it.
>>>>
>>>>Big deal.
>>>>
>>>>That's sort of like saying 28% of eligible voters are
>>>>disenfranchised because they aren't registered to vote.
>>>>
>>>>Yet, you support voter registration. You, hypocrite you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Oh, and you are aware that registration is a burdensome system
>>>>>>>>that disenfranchises millions of eligible Americans. About 28%
>>>>>>>>at last count.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no but I am aware of the avalanche of lies launched to destroy
>>>>>>> groups like ACORN helping folk to register.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then maybe you should educate yourself before you start making
>>>>>>claims about
>>>>>>millions being disenfranchised
>>>>
>>>>Silence noted. Seems asking you to know what you're talking about is
>>>>too much for you to comment on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Face it,you people loathe democracy and common people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Says the person who prefers fraud in our elections.
>>>
>>> As much as you would like silence it's not going to happen.
>>
>>
>>And GOPer unable to refute my points or defend his claims attempts to
>>change the subject.
>>
>
> Oh yeah...refuting your bullshit is REALLY changing the subject...NOT
>
>
> http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/19/judge-strikes-down-pa...
> law/
>
> On January 17th, 2014, a Pennsylvania judge struck down the state?s
> voter ID law. In his detailed ruling, the Commonwealth Court Judge
> found that the PA voter ID law placed an undue burden on the people,
> negatively impacting the elderly, the disabled and the poor.
> The Judge issued a detailed ruling against the PA voter ID law.
>
> In his 103-page decision, Judge Bernard L. McGinley wrote:
>
> ?Voting laws are designed to assure a free and fair election. The
> voter ID law does not further this goal.?

It does for "fair". The folks in here are absolutely right when they
state that any fraudulent vote invalidates a lawful and legal vote.

> He also said the state failed to present evidence showing the law as
> necessary. Republicans across the country have claimed that voter ID
> laws are needed to prevent voter fraud, yet when asked to present
> evidence of this fraud, they consistently fail to produce any.

I don't make that claim. I simply feel that if we are to have full, fair
and free elections in this country, we should ensure that those folks who
do vote are eligible to do so.

What happens is that everyone kinda lets things slide between elections
and then whines about time to get the photo IDs done just before the
elections. If the folks doing the whining would simple aid the folks
that they are whining about between elections it would all be done by
2016. Instead they would rather sit on their collective asses and whine
about the fact that someone needs an ID to vote, while having no problem
if that same type ID is required to board a plane, cash a check, buy a
gun, etc..




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GOP_Decline_and_Fall <Dev@null.net> wrote in
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> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:51:53 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude
> <KlausSchadenfreude@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:36:41 -0800, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 23:41:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:fvtch9pevt9i8uf8p69thaj45t055462ni@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:13:33 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>> <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:n31ah9hb0qrtmqr9tls89fch04nc66sjkk@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:49:03 +0000 (UTC), Guy Fawkes
>>>>>>> <No_email_for_you@wahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dakota <markp@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:lf2jkc$iaa$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2014 12:37 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Just Wondering <fmhlaw@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:5314c8d7$0$59051$862e30e2@ngroups.net:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2014 4:49 AM, Dakota wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2014 10:25 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:lf0u99$5ll$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 7:29:22 PM UTC-8, John Manning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2014 9:31 PM, hlil...@juno.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:43:32 PM UTC-8,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spencer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberal and minority groups can't get Voter ID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cards?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is harder to get those if you are not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is hard to get two of them so you can vote twice (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three or four
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or ten).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The GOP's Voter ID laws intentionally and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maliciously make it harder for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor and minority voters - who usually vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic - to vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They make it equally hard for everyone to vote. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is no reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why a minority voter would have a harder time getting ID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than a majority voter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, federal already requires photo ID to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchase a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm. Is the federal government making it harder for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor and minority people to purchase firearms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck the federal government requires Photo ID to obtain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the aid provided for the poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the federal government attempting to keep from aiding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the poor?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The stupidity of you right-wingers is palpable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The federal government does not require photo IDs from
>>>>>>>>>>>> voters in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> various states. Photo ID laws have been enacted only in
>>>>>>>>>>>> some individual US states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No one has a constitutional right to aid for the poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Every citizen
>>>>>>>>>>>> over the age of 18 has a constitutional right to vote
>>>>>>>>>>>> unless incarcerated in some states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And non-citizens have NO right to vote, and every vote by
>>>>>>>>>>> one not entitled to vote diminishes the right of those who
>>>>>>>>>>> are entitled. This
>>>>>>>>>>> makes it eminently sensible to impose a minimum requirement
>>>>>>>>>>> on prospective voters to prove they are citizens before
>>>>>>>>>>> giving them access to a ballot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Works for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Voter fraud is so rare that it's absurd to claim it's the
>>>>>>>>> reason for photo ID laws.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apparently honesty in Liberals is even rarer. I've seen it
>>>>>>>>numerous times
>>>>>>>>here in Virginia. And frankly those that fuck with the vote
>>>>>>>>deserve a special kind of hell, as do thier defenders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you truly believe that, then your support of voter
>>>>>>> suppression places you firmly in line for that special hell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>While your support of voter fraud places you in which line?
>>>>>
>>>>> What support of voter fraud would that be?
>>>>
>>>>Those who vote fraudulently because you support not requiring them
>>>>to present ID.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As is often the case, you make no sense at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> In what way is a digital register of all eligible voters
>>>>> supporting voter fraud?
>>>>
>>>>By supporting NOT having to present ID to votel
>>>
>>>You make no sense.
>>>
>>>supporting measures that ensure fair and free elections as opposed to
>>
>>You don't.
>>
>>That's the problem. You admit there is fraud and you don't give a shit
>>if it continues or not.
>
> Utterly insignificant and a preposterous pretext.
>
>>Asking for ID is not a burden of any kind.
>
> It is for those who haven't got photo ID

Then get off your ass and help them get that ID.

> Why not man up and admit you only want the rich voting?

Why not man up and admit that you feel the subject is worth yelling about
on usenet but not worth doing anything about fixing the problems between
elections.

> You are fooling nobody.

You are fooling nobody.



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