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RIP: Joseph Weizenbaum

aahz

3/14/2008 6:05:00 PM

Creator of Eliza:

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...
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12 Answers

Reedick, Andrew

3/14/2008 6:47:00 PM

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> -----Original Message-----
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> list-bounces+jr9445=att.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Aahz
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:05 PM
> To: python-list@python.org
> Subject: RIP: Joseph Weizenbaum
>
> Creator of Eliza:
>
> http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...
> --

How do you feel about creator of Eliza?



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Aaron Brady

3/14/2008 10:00:00 PM

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On Mar 14, 1:47 pm, "Reedick, Andrew" <jr9...@ATT.COM> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: python-list-bounces+jr9445=att....@python.org [mailto:python-
> > list-bounces+jr9445=att....@python.org] On Behalf Of Aahz
> > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:05 PM
> > To: python-l...@python.org
> > Subject: RIP: Joseph Weizenbaum
>
> > Creator of Eliza:
>
> >http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...
> > --
>
> How do you feel about creator of Eliza?

What is Eliza?

Roel Schroeven

3/14/2008 10:17:00 PM

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castironpi@gmail.com schreef:
> On Mar 14, 1:47 pm, "Reedick, Andrew" <jr9...@ATT.COM> wrote:
>>> Subject: RIP: Joseph Weizenbaum
>>> Creator of Eliza:
>>> http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...
>>> --
>> How do you feel about creator of Eliza?
>
> What is Eliza?

Does that question interest you?

--
The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge
faster than society gathers wisdom.
-- Isaac Asimov

Roel Schroeven

Aaron Brady

3/14/2008 10:21:00 PM

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On Mar 14, 5:16 pm, Roel Schroeven <rschroev_nospam...@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
> castiro...@gmail.com schreef:
>
> > On Mar 14, 1:47 pm, "Reedick, Andrew" <jr9...@ATT.COM> wrote:
> >>> Subject: RIP: Joseph Weizenbaum
> >>> Creator of Eliza:
> >>>http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...
> >>> --
> >> How do you feel about creator of Eliza?
>
> > What is Eliza?
>
> Does that question interest you?

He had a dream about a pillow.

Jeff Schwab

3/14/2008 11:34:00 PM

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Roel Schroeven wrote:
> castironpi@gmail.com schreef:
>> On Mar 14, 1:47 pm, "Reedick, Andrew" <jr9...@ATT.COM> wrote:
>>>> Subject: RIP: Joseph Weizenbaum
>>>> Creator of Eliza:
>>>> http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...
>>>> --
>>> How do you feel about creator of Eliza?
>>
>> What is Eliza?
>
> Does that question interest you?

Well played, sir.

--
Earlier you said what is Eliza. Do you still feel that way?

Tim Roberts

3/15/2008 5:47:00 AM

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Jeff Schwab <jeff@schwabcenter.com> wrote:
>Roel Schroeven wrote:
>> castironpi@gmail.com schreef:
>>> On Mar 14, 1:47 pm, "Reedick, Andrew" <jr9...@ATT.COM> wrote:
>>>>> Subject: RIP: Joseph Weizenbaum
>>>>> Creator of Eliza:
>>>>> http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...
>>>>>
>>>> How do you feel about creator of Eliza?
>>>
>>> What is Eliza?
>>
>> Does that question interest you?
>
>Well played, sir.
>
>Earlier you said what is Eliza. Do you still feel that way?

I am embarrassed to say that this vaguely disrespectful exchange made me
laugh out loud.
--
Tim Roberts, timr@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.

Arnaud Delobelle

3/15/2008 9:56:00 AM

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On Mar 15, 5:47 am, Tim Roberts <t...@probo.com> wrote:
> Jeff Schwab <j...@schwabcenter.com> wrote:
> >Roel Schroeven wrote:
> >> castiro...@gmail.com schreef:
> >>> On Mar 14, 1:47 pm, "Reedick, Andrew" <jr9...@ATT.COM> wrote:
> >>>>> Subject: RIP: Joseph Weizenbaum
> >>>>> Creator of Eliza:
> >>>>>http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...
>
> >>>> How do you feel about creator of Eliza?
>
> >>> What is Eliza?
>
> >> Does that question interest you?
>
> >Well played, sir.
>
> >Earlier you said what is Eliza.  Do you still feel that way?
>
> I am embarrassed to say that this vaguely disrespectful exchange made me
> laugh out loud.

Does it bother you that this vaguely disrespectful exchange made you
laugh out loud?

Aaron Brady

3/15/2008 2:58:00 PM

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On Mar 15, 4:56 am, Arnaud Delobelle <arno...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 5:47 am, Tim Roberts <t...@probo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jeff Schwab <j...@schwabcenter.com> wrote:
> > >Roel Schroeven wrote:
> > >> castiro...@gmail.com schreef:
> > >>> On Mar 14, 1:47 pm, "Reedick, Andrew" <jr9...@ATT.COM> wrote:
> > >>>>> Subject: RIP: Joseph Weizenbaum
> > >>>>> Creator of Eliza:
> > >>>>>http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...
>
> > >>>> How do you feel about creator of Eliza?
>
> > >>> What is Eliza?
>
> > >> Does that question interest you?
>
> > >Well played, sir.
>
> > >Earlier you said what is Eliza.  Do you still feel that way?
>
> > I am embarrassed to say that this vaguely disrespectful exchange made me
> > laugh out loud.
>
> Does it bother you that this vaguely disrespectful exchange made you
> laugh out loud?

No more than funerals, really, and weddings and birthday parties are
kind of suspect too; I'm torn. How do you feel about them?

aahz

3/15/2008 3:33:00 PM

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In article <qlomt350kg9f9k7bab7gt84gdlp8tko3vh@4ax.com>,
Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> wrote:
>Jeff Schwab <jeff@schwabcenter.com> wrote:
>>Roel Schroeven wrote:
>>> castironpi@gmail.com schreef:
>>>> On Mar 14, 1:47 pm, "Reedick, Andrew" <jr9...@ATT.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you feel about creator of Eliza?
>>>>
>>>> What is Eliza?
>>>
>>> Does that question interest you?
>>
>>Well played, sir.
>>
>>Earlier you said what is Eliza. Do you still feel that way?
>
>I am embarrassed to say that this vaguely disrespectful exchange made me
>laugh out loud.

Serious: why do you think this is disrespectful?
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Aahz (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.python...

"It is easier to optimize correct code than to correct optimized code."
--Bill Harlan

Jeff Schwab

3/15/2008 5:55:00 PM

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Aahz wrote:
> In article <qlomt350kg9f9k7bab7gt84gdlp8tko3vh@4ax.com>,
> Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Schwab <jeff@schwabcenter.com> wrote:
>>> Roel Schroeven wrote:
>>>> castironpi@gmail.com schreef:
>>>>> On Mar 14, 1:47 pm, "Reedick, Andrew" <jr9...@ATT.COM> wrote:
>>>>>> How do you feel about creator of Eliza?
>>>>> What is Eliza?
>>>> Does that question interest you?
>>> Well played, sir.
>>>
>>> Earlier you said what is Eliza. Do you still feel that way?
>> I am embarrassed to say that this vaguely disrespectful exchange made me
>> laugh out loud.
>
> Serious: why do you think this is disrespectful?

Not to speak for Tim, but I imagine it could be perceived as
disrespectful because Prof. Weizenbaum has only recently passed away.
In fact, I think the Prof would be very happy to see people having some
fun at the expense of AI, which he saw as a real threat to human freedom.

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N12/weize...

"Named for the heroine of My Fair Lady, ELIZA was perhaps the first
instance of what today is known as a chatterbot program. Specifically,
the ELIZA program simulated a conversation between a patient and a
psychotherapist by using a person?s responses to shape the computer?s
replies. Weizenbaum was shocked to discover that many users were taking
his program seriously and were opening their hearts to it. The
experience prompted him to think philosophically about the implications
of artificial intelligence, and, later, to become a critic of it.

"In 1976, he authored Computer Power and Human Reason: From Judgment to
Calculation, in which he displayed ambivalence toward computer
technology and warned against giving machines the responsibility for
making genuinely human choices. Specifically, Weizenbaum argued that it
was not just wrong but dangerous and, in some cases, immoral to assume
that computers would be able to do anything given enough processing
power and clever programming."

See also: http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/el...

You: What is Eliza?

Eliza: Does that question interest you?