Jeff
10/19/2011 4:25:00 AM
On Oct 18, 6:45 pm, Danny McEvoy <thewalruswasda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 18, 5:55 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > "marcus" <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > On Oct 18, 11:33 am, Billy <billybartlet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> On Oct 17, 11:02 pm, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> > >> > On Oct 17, 6:16 pm, Billy <billybartlet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > On Oct 17, 7:05 pm, Donna <tom.r...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > > On Oct 17, 6:24 pm, Billy <billybartlet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > > > On Oct 17, 12:55 pm, Donna <tom.r...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > > > > On Oct 17, 3:25 am, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > > > > > Applause. Nice to see another poster here sees the light.
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> > >> > > > > > > I can't understand how someone can be a Beatles fan or a
> > >> > > > > > > Lennon fan
> > >> > > > > > > and not see Yoko for what she is.
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> > >> > > > > > You really can't understand how someone can be a fan? When I
> > >> > > > > > think of
> > >> > > > > > The Beatles, Yoko is not part of the equation... well, not
> > >> > > > > > usually,
> > >> > > > > > anyway. She really doesn't stand out for me in any way....
> > >> > > > > > well, other
> > >> > > > > > than the fact that she was part of May's life and that she's
> > >> > > > > > often the
> > >> > > > > > main topic on this newsgroup. My thoughts are basically that
> > >> > > > > > she was
> > >> > > > > > John's 2nd wife... she's offbeat... avant-garde... she sings
> > >> > > > > > funny...
> > >> > > > > > stuff happened. That's about it for me.
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> > >> > > > > > > There's a saying: all that evil needs to succeed is for good
> > >> > > > > > > men to
> > >> > > > > > > remain silent. Too many here remain silent and even attack
> > >> > > > > > > the Yoko
> > >> > > > > > > critics.
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> > >> > > > > > I always wondered what your goal is here in trying to convince
> > >> > > > > > others
> > >> > > > > > that Yoko is so evil. What is it that you want them to feel or
> > >> > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > do? From what you wrote, above, it sounds as if you don't want
> > >> > > > > > them
> > >> > > > > > to be silent about it. But is that all you want, or is it
> > >> > > > > > something
> > >> > > > > > more? And even if they're vocal about it, what will that
> > >> > > > > > accomplish?
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> > >> > > > > > In trying to understand this, I can say that, for myself, it
> > >> > > > > > was
> > >> > > > > > irritating to read gushing praise for Mrs. Harrison, knowing
> > >> > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > whacky and cruel things that she did which was well-hidden from
> > >> > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > general public. However, they were mostly just brief
> > >> > > > > > statements of
> > >> > > > > > mine here, borne out of momentary bursts of frustration when
> > >> > > > > > I'd
> > >> > > > > > sometimes read a post from somebody who would say how classy
> > >> > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > wonderful she is, deceived and unaware of many of the facts,
> > >> > > > > > some of
> > >> > > > > > which are documented. But I wasn't on a mission to be the one
> > >> > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > expose her or to get the newsgroup or the public to turn on
> > >> > > > > > her. My
> > >> > > > > > feeling is that, spiritually, what she does is ultimately
> > >> > > > > > between her
> > >> > > > > > and her God, and life plays out just as it should.
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> > >> > > > > > And so I feel the same regarding Yoko. Whatever it is that
> > >> > > > > > happened,
> > >> > > > > > she will someday have to face whatever it is that she did....
> > >> > > > > > and,
> > >> > > > > > again, life played out just as it should. Her personal thought
> > >> > > > > > process, her deeds, and her relationship with John is not
> > >> > > > > > necessarily
> > >> > > > > > for outsiders to comprehend or to judge. A lot of it was made
> > >> > > > > > public,
> > >> > > > > > however, and you can react to it, but you can't expect others
> > >> > > > > > to feel
> > >> > > > > > what you do, or with the same intensity. You have a reason for
> > >> > > > > > so
> > >> > > > > > strongly feeling the way you do, and many of us here don't
> > >> > > > > > understand
> > >> > > > > > it. And that's okay since you may not fully understand it,
> > >> > > > > > yourself.
> > >> > > > > > But it's your thing, not ours. After years of talking about
> > >> > > > > > her here,
> > >> > > > > > not much has changed in the way of swaying a lot of posters
> > >> > > > > > over to
> > >> > > > > > your point of view. So why go on? And why would the opinion
> > >> > > > > > of
> > >> > > > > > others even matter so much to you? What are you looking for
> > >> > > > > > them to
> > >> > > > > > do with the information that you present? Really, I'm just
> > >> > > > > > curious,
> > >> > > > > > fattuchus. No disrespect intended here.
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> > >> > > > > Hi. You express a lot if feelings in this post. You weren't
> > >> > > > > writing
> > >> > > > > to me, but I did want to.mention that other people don't have to
> > >> > > > > share
> > >> > > > > your feelings. I don't see why anyone should be expected to
> > >> > > > > agree
> > >> > > > > that everything Yoko did is "between herself and her god,"I for
> > >> > > > > example. You might be fine with whatever Yoko does, and
> > >> > > > > confident God
> > >> > > > > is, too. Nut is that a reason for others to feel the same way?
> > >> > > > > Don't others, possibly others who know more about Yoko than you,
> > >> > > > > have
> > >> > > > > the right to believe differently? Even to be rubbed the wrong
> > >> > > > > way by
> > >> > > > > some of Yoko's doings?
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> > >> > > > Of course! I was trying to relate for my own understanding, but I
> > >> > > > wasn't expecting anyone to share my feelings or agree with how I
> > >> > > > see
> > >> > > > it. Not in the least. And not expecting others to share the same
> > >> > > > feelings or trying to convince them of anything is kind of the
> > >> > > > point.
> > >> > > > I don't think you were really comprehending my questions. Being
> > >> > > > that
> > >> > > > she brought up the saying, "All that evil needs to succeed is for
> > >> > > > good
> > >> > > > men to remain silent," I'm just curious as to what Fattuchus
> > >> > > > ultimately hopes to accomplish here.
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> > >> > > My interpretation of that was that people can and should speak out
> > >> > > when Yoko does or says something objectionable.
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> > >> > > "Evil" might be too strong for many people. But I would agree based
> > >> > > on Yoko's behavior over time that she's very arrogant, greedy, and
> > >> > > obsessed with promoting herself, often in dishonest ways.
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> > >> > Whatever she does, what does that have to do with us? We can't
> > >> > do anything about it.
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> > >> We can discuss it and those with the knowledge and the guts can even
> > >> disagree with some of it.
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> > >> I believe Yoko is very concerned with how she is perceived. Why do
> > >> so much PR? WHY-
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> > > Well, I don't think she does that much PR, and if she does apparently
> > > it isn't getting noticed outside of the small circle of folks who post
> > > here. People I know, who aren't as much fans of The Beatles as you
> > > and me, often respond to me when I mention Yoko's name, "Is she still
> > > around...never hear anything about her anymore."
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> > Exactly. This is what puzzles me most about those who claim, for example,
> > that Yoko benefitted from John's death. I mean, c'mon, people. If John
> > were still alive, it's a pretty fair bet that he'd be in the spotlight and
> > Yoko would be there alongside him.
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> YO gained a lot from JLs death...an unbelievebly hell of a lot.
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> 1) she gained eternal kudos as the widow of the world
> 2) Money
> 3) Control
> 4) rid of the pain in the backside that was her husband
> 5) eternal fame
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> Danny
Oh, brother. We'll have to keep working at this until you
get things straightened out.