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Python refuses to import SVN

Tomas

2/26/2008 10:17:00 PM

Dear group.
I have some big problems getting python to work with svn.
Python SVN and SWIG is compiled from source.
I have been testing Python 2.5.1 and 2.4.4 together with SWIG 1.3.25 and
1.3.33 and SVN 1.4.5 and 1.4.6

All combinations creates the same problem:

[root@OldStream libsvn]# python
Python 2.4.4 (#1, Feb 25 2008, 08:46:36)
[GCC 3.4.2] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> from svn import core
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
File "/usr/local/lib/svn-python/svn/core.py", line 19, in ?
from libsvn.core import *
File "/usr/local/lib/svn-python/libsvn/core.py", line 5, in ?
import _core
ImportError: File not found
>>> from svn import core
Segmentation fault
[root@OldStream libsvn]#

I just can't figure out what the heck is wrong.
Can someone please help me with this.
I did a gdb session on the same, but to be honest, the output tells me
nothing.

"/usr/local/lib/svn-python" is in in svn.pth in "site-packages"
Also tried to move libsvn and svn to "site-packages" without any luck

contents of "libsvn"
[root@OldStream libsvn]# ls -al
total 7636
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 26 19:29 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Feb 26 19:29 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 700 Feb 26 19:29 __init__.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 124 Feb 26 19:29 __init__.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 640100 Feb 26 19:28 _client.a
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1381 Feb 26 19:28 _client.la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 483355 Feb 26 19:28 _client.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 753614 Feb 26 19:28 _core.a
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1367 Feb 26 19:28 _core.la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 564054 Feb 26 19:28 _core.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 276172 Feb 26 19:29 _delta.a
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1374 Feb 26 19:29 _delta.la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 214896 Feb 26 19:29 _delta.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 372296 Feb 26 19:29 _fs.a
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1353 Feb 26 19:29 _fs.la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 284834 Feb 26 19:29 _fs.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 508620 Feb 26 19:29 _ra.a
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1353 Feb 26 19:29 _ra.la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 385058 Feb 26 19:29 _ra.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 489820 Feb 26 19:29 _repos.a
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1374 Feb 26 19:29 _repos.la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 369334 Feb 26 19:29 _repos.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 790324 Feb 26 19:29 _wc.a
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1353 Feb 26 19:29 _wc.la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 580953 Feb 26 19:29 _wc.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 55399 Feb 26 19:29 client.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 59178 Feb 26 19:29 client.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 151964 Feb 26 19:29 core.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 159874 Feb 26 19:29 core.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26235 Feb 26 19:29 delta.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28256 Feb 26 19:29 delta.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38222 Feb 26 19:29 fs.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45727 Feb 26 19:29 fs.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43835 Feb 26 19:29 ra.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 47632 Feb 26 19:29 ra.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43248 Feb 26 19:29 repos.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 47508 Feb 26 19:29 repos.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83300 Feb 26 19:29 wc.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89225 Feb 26 19:29 wc.pyc

contents of svn

[root@OldStream svn]# ls -al
total 92
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 26 19:29 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Feb 26 19:29 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 760 Feb 26 19:29 __init__.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 226 Feb 26 19:29 __init__.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 861 Feb 26 19:29 client.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 317 Feb 26 19:29 client.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7193 Feb 26 19:29 core.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6348 Feb 26 19:29 core.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2018 Feb 26 19:29 delta.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2552 Feb 26 19:29 delta.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3924 Feb 26 19:29 fs.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3353 Feb 26 19:29 fs.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 841 Feb 26 19:29 ra.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 301 Feb 26 19:29 ra.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9580 Feb 26 19:29 repos.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6797 Feb 26 19:29 repos.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 841 Feb 26 19:29 wc.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 301 Feb 26 19:29 wc.pyc

System is "generic linux 2.6" on ARM5tejl


With best regards

Tomas Larsson
TL Engineering & Consultants
Engelbrektsgatan 121
SE 506 39 Borås
Sweden

+46 739 932 673

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Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem
18 Answers

Barry Bruyea

10/14/2012 7:11:00 PM

0

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:30:05 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
>"Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>news:k5esuh$1ff$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/14/2012 8:56 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>> "Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>>> news:k5dish$k8v$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 10/13/2012 8:16 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Barry Bruyea" <damnthetorpedoes@duck.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:r4sj78hckir4ovhe0cudiuuj5kutap0eq7@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:52:31 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>>>> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 03:16 p.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 11:53 am, Viejo Vizcacha <elbie_jovis_ka...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 11:28 a.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 4:14 am, Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:19:13 -0700, Chom Noamsky
>>>>>>>>>>> <c...@noamsky.here>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:35 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU deserved the prize.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't understand the significance of the EU.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After centuries of destructive nationalistic wars in Europe the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made war in among members of the EU virtually impossible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for that theory, the EU has been barely staving
>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>> collapse which most believe is inevitable. Collapse will mean
>>>>>>>>>>>> war, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> according to Poland within ten years. The EU should have never
>>>>>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>>> membership to the lazy, corrupt, socialistic southern European
>>>>>>>>>>>> states.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The statement made yesterday that the E.U. has given Europe 60
>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>> of peace was beyond ridiculous. But, I could be wrong, as I
>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>> thought Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Albania,
>>>>>>>>>>> Roumania
>>>>>>>>>>> were in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I thought EU was created in 1993. But to hell with facts, I guess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The EU has been around, though with a different name, for about 60
>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Care to throw some of them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> European Economic Community, aka European Common Market, which was
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> daughter of the European Coal and Steel organization, whose goal
>>>>>>> was to
>>>>>>> prevent Europeans from slaughtering each other as they had been doing
>>>>>>> for more than 25 centuries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VV
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ask the component countries of the former Yugoslavia how that went.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, 20-50 million in the Soviet Union alone. Oh wait, that was an
>>>> atheistic socialist revolution with international aspirations.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So? An estimate 60 million humans died because of Hitler.
>>>
>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>
>> Absolute power kills, this is the real common denominator in all cases of
>> systemic, mass human rights abuse. Blaming religion is too simplistic
>> because a lot of Christian intellectuals have been behind the development
>> of liberal human rights codes. Can't say the same for Islam, which should
>> be labelled the new Nazism.
>.
>.
>.
>Killing for religious reason continuous this very day.
>Men have been killing man over religious beliefs for millennia.
>Men have been killing man over nationalism for millennia.
>
>Please don't complicate simple issues.
>
>The EU, the use of the Euro, go a long way to reducing the killing in
>Europe.
>
>They earned the Nobel prize

By forming the Dictatorship of the Bureaucrats. And they earned as
much as Obama and far too many others.
>
>

Sid9

10/14/2012 8:37:00 PM

0


"Barry Bruyea" <damnthetorpedoes@duck.com> wrote in message
news:af3m78demi44m6djf3qkapsb7s7g9ef413@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:30:05 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>>news:k5esuh$1ff$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 10/14/2012 8:56 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>>>> news:k5dish$k8v$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 10/13/2012 8:16 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Barry Bruyea" <damnthetorpedoes@duck.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:r4sj78hckir4ovhe0cudiuuj5kutap0eq7@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:52:31 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>>>>> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 03:16 p.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 11:53 am, Viejo Vizcacha <elbie_jovis_ka...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 11:28 a.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 4:14 am, Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:19:13 -0700, Chom Noamsky
>>>>>>>>>>>> <c...@noamsky.here>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:35 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU deserved the prize.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't understand the significance of the EU.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After centuries of destructive nationalistic wars in Europe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made war in among members of the EU virtually impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for that theory, the EU has been barely staving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapse which most believe is inevitable. Collapse will mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>> war, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to Poland within ten years. The EU should have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership to the lazy, corrupt, socialistic southern European
>>>>>>>>>>>>> states.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The statement made yesterday that the E.U. has given Europe 60
>>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>> of peace was beyond ridiculous. But, I could be wrong, as I
>>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Albania,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roumania
>>>>>>>>>>>> were in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I thought EU was created in 1993. But to hell with facts, I
>>>>>>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The EU has been around, though with a different name, for about
>>>>>>>>>> 60
>>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Care to throw some of them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> European Economic Community, aka European Common Market, which was
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> daughter of the European Coal and Steel organization, whose goal
>>>>>>>> was to
>>>>>>>> prevent Europeans from slaughtering each other as they had been
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> for more than 25 centuries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ask the component countries of the former Yugoslavia how that went.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, 20-50 million in the Soviet Union alone. Oh wait, that was an
>>>>> atheistic socialist revolution with international aspirations.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So? An estimate 60 million humans died because of Hitler.
>>>>
>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>
>>> Absolute power kills, this is the real common denominator in all cases
>>> of
>>> systemic, mass human rights abuse. Blaming religion is too simplistic
>>> because a lot of Christian intellectuals have been behind the
>>> development
>>> of liberal human rights codes. Can't say the same for Islam, which
>>> should
>>> be labelled the new Nazism.
>>.
>>.
>>.
>>Killing for religious reason continuous this very day.
>>Men have been killing man over religious beliefs for millennia.
>>Men have been killing man over nationalism for millennia.
>>
>>Please don't complicate simple issues.
>>
>>The EU, the use of the Euro, go a long way to reducing the killing in
>>Europe.
>>
>>They earned the Nobel prize
>
> By forming the Dictatorship of the Bureaucrats. And they earned as
> much as Obama and far too many others.
>>
>>
>

You are a twisted person.

clairbear

10/14/2012 10:54:00 PM

0

"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in news:k5f0bf$oap$1@dont-email.me:

>
> "Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
> news:k5esuh$1ff$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/14/2012 8:56 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>> "Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>>> news:k5dish$k8v$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 10/13/2012 8:16 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Barry Bruyea" <damnthetorpedoes@duck.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:r4sj78hckir4ovhe0cudiuuj5kutap0eq7@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:52:31 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>>>> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 03:16 p.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 11:53 am, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>>>>>> <elbie_jovis_ka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 11:28 a.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 4:14 am, Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:19:13 -0700, Chom Noamsky
>>>>>>>>>>> <c...@noamsky.here>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:35 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU deserved the prize.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't understand the significance of the EU.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After centuries of destructive nationalistic wars in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe the EU has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made war in among members of the EU virtually impossible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for that theory, the EU has been barely
>>>>>>>>>>>> staving off
>>>>>>>>>>>> collapse which most believe is inevitable. Collapse will
>>>>>>>>>>>> mean war, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> according to Poland within ten years. The EU should have
>>>>>>>>>>>> never given
>>>>>>>>>>>> membership to the lazy, corrupt, socialistic southern
>>>>>>>>>>>> European states.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The statement made yesterday that the E.U. has given Europe
>>>>>>>>>>> 60 years
>>>>>>>>>>> of peace was beyond ridiculous. But, I could be wrong, as I
>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>> thought Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia,
>>>>>>>>>>> Albania, Roumania
>>>>>>>>>>> were in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I thought EU was created in 1993. But to hell with facts, I
>>>>>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The EU has been around, though with a different name, for
>>>>>>>>> about 60 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Care to throw some of them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> European Economic Community, aka European Common Market, which
>>>>>>> was the
>>>>>>> daughter of the European Coal and Steel organization, whose goal
>>>>>>> was to
>>>>>>> prevent Europeans from slaughtering each other as they had been
>>>>>>> doing for more than 25 centuries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VV
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ask the component countries of the former Yugoslavia how that
>>>>>> went.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, 20-50 million in the Soviet Union alone. Oh wait, that was an
>>>> atheistic socialist revolution with international aspirations.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So? An estimate 60 million humans died because of Hitler.
>>>
>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>
>> Absolute power kills, this is the real common denominator in all
>> cases of systemic, mass human rights abuse. Blaming religion is too
>> simplistic because a lot of Christian intellectuals have been behind
>> the development of liberal human rights codes. Can't say the same
>> for Islam, which should be labelled the new Nazism.
> .
> .
> .
> Killing for religious reason continuous this very day.
> Men have been killing man over religious beliefs for millennia.
> Men have been killing man over nationalism for millennia.
Me have also killed over greed, land, race, ethnicity, jealousy, women
and other causes As usual you are showing a lieberal, atheist bias,
> Please don't complicate simple issues.
Complicated issues give simpletons like you a headache don't they
> The EU, the use of the Euro, go a long way to reducing the killing in
> Europe.
The single urrency ha slittle to do with peace in Europe The rise of
consumerism and the fall of communism have a lot more to do with it than
the Euro
> They earned the Nobel prize
Like Obama earned it, that's a load of bovine scatology

clairbear

10/14/2012 10:56:00 PM

0

"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in news:k5f7oq$879$1@dont-email.me:

>
> "Barry Bruyea" <damnthetorpedoes@duck.com> wrote in message
> news:af3m78demi44m6djf3qkapsb7s7g9ef413@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:30:05 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>>>news:k5esuh$1ff$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 10/14/2012 8:56 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>>>>> news:k5dish$k8v$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 8:16 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Barry Bruyea" <damnthetorpedoes@duck.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:r4sj78hckir4ovhe0cudiuuj5kutap0eq7@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:52:31 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>>>>>> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 03:16 p.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 11:53 am, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>>>>>>>> <elbie_jovis_ka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 11:28 a.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 4:14 am, Barry Bruyea
>>>>>>>>>>>> <damnthetorped...@duck.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:19:13 -0700, Chom Noamsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <c...@noamsky.here>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:35 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU deserved the prize.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't understand the significance of the EU.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After centuries of destructive nationalistic wars in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made war in among members of the EU virtually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for that theory, the EU has been barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staving off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapse which most believe is inevitable. Collapse will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean war, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to Poland within ten years. The EU should have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership to the lazy, corrupt, socialistic southern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> European states.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The statement made yesterday that the E.U. has given
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe 60 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of peace was beyond ridiculous. But, I could be wrong, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albania, Roumania
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought EU was created in 1993. But to hell with facts, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The EU has been around, though with a different name, for
>>>>>>>>>>> about 60
>>>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Care to throw some of them?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> European Economic Community, aka European Common Market, which
>>>>>>>>> was the
>>>>>>>>> daughter of the European Coal and Steel organization, whose
>>>>>>>>> goal was to
>>>>>>>>> prevent Europeans from slaughtering each other as they had
>>>>>>>>> been doing
>>>>>>>>> for more than 25 centuries.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> VV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ask the component countries of the former Yugoslavia how that
>>>>>>>> went.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, 20-50 million in the Soviet Union alone. Oh wait, that was
>>>>>> an atheistic socialist revolution with international aspirations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So? An estimate 60 million humans died because of Hitler.
>>>>>
>>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>>
>>>> Absolute power kills, this is the real common denominator in all
>>>> cases of
>>>> systemic, mass human rights abuse. Blaming religion is too
>>>> simplistic because a lot of Christian intellectuals have been
>>>> behind the development
>>>> of liberal human rights codes. Can't say the same for Islam, which
>>>> should
>>>> be labelled the new Nazism.
>>>.
>>>.
>>>.
>>>Killing for religious reason continuous this very day.
>>>Men have been killing man over religious beliefs for millennia.
>>>Men have been killing man over nationalism for millennia.
>>>
>>>Please don't complicate simple issues.
>>>
>>>The EU, the use of the Euro, go a long way to reducing the killing in
>>>Europe.
>>>
>>>They earned the Nobel prize
>>
>> By forming the Dictatorship of the Bureaucrats. And they earned as
>> much as Obama and far too many others.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> You are a twisted person.
>
>

How is the truth "twisted" sidney?
Liberalism have skewed you brain

Barry Bruyea

10/14/2012 11:02:00 PM

0

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 16:36:41 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
>"Barry Bruyea" <damnthetorpedoes@duck.com> wrote in message
>news:af3m78demi44m6djf3qkapsb7s7g9ef413@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:30:05 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>>>news:k5esuh$1ff$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 10/14/2012 8:56 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>>>>> news:k5dish$k8v$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 8:16 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Barry Bruyea" <damnthetorpedoes@duck.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:r4sj78hckir4ovhe0cudiuuj5kutap0eq7@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:52:31 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>>>>>> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 03:16 p.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 11:53 am, Viejo Vizcacha <elbie_jovis_ka...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 11:28 a.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 4:14 am, Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:19:13 -0700, Chom Noamsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <c...@noamsky.here>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:35 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU deserved the prize.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't understand the significance of the EU.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After centuries of destructive nationalistic wars in Europe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made war in among members of the EU virtually impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for that theory, the EU has been barely staving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapse which most believe is inevitable. Collapse will mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> war, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to Poland within ten years. The EU should have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership to the lazy, corrupt, socialistic southern European
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> states.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The statement made yesterday that the E.U. has given Europe 60
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of peace was beyond ridiculous. But, I could be wrong, as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Albania,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roumania
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought EU was created in 1993. But to hell with facts, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The EU has been around, though with a different name, for about
>>>>>>>>>>> 60
>>>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Care to throw some of them?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> European Economic Community, aka European Common Market, which was
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> daughter of the European Coal and Steel organization, whose goal
>>>>>>>>> was to
>>>>>>>>> prevent Europeans from slaughtering each other as they had been
>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>> for more than 25 centuries.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> VV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ask the component countries of the former Yugoslavia how that went.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, 20-50 million in the Soviet Union alone. Oh wait, that was an
>>>>>> atheistic socialist revolution with international aspirations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So? An estimate 60 million humans died because of Hitler.
>>>>>
>>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>>
>>>> Absolute power kills, this is the real common denominator in all cases
>>>> of
>>>> systemic, mass human rights abuse. Blaming religion is too simplistic
>>>> because a lot of Christian intellectuals have been behind the
>>>> development
>>>> of liberal human rights codes. Can't say the same for Islam, which
>>>> should
>>>> be labelled the new Nazism.
>>>.
>>>.
>>>.
>>>Killing for religious reason continuous this very day.
>>>Men have been killing man over religious beliefs for millennia.
>>>Men have been killing man over nationalism for millennia.
>>>
>>>Please don't complicate simple issues.
>>>
>>>The EU, the use of the Euro, go a long way to reducing the killing in
>>>Europe.
>>>
>>>They earned the Nobel prize
>>
>> By forming the Dictatorship of the Bureaucrats. And they earned as
>> much as Obama and far too many others.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>You are a twisted person.


Why, because you're too damn stupid to know what the hell Nobel Prize
is for? And what it's creator was trying to do? The Peace prize
alone has lost all credibility with recipients like Begin, Arafat,
Gore, Obama and far too many others.

Chom Noamsky

10/15/2012 12:18:00 AM

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On 10/14/2012 3:54 PM, clairbear wrote:
> "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in news:k5f0bf$oap$1@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>> "Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>> news:k5esuh$1ff$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 10/14/2012 8:56 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Chom Noamsky" <chom@noamsky.here> wrote in message
>>>> news:k5dish$k8v$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 10/13/2012 8:16 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Barry Bruyea" <damnthetorpedoes@duck.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:r4sj78hckir4ovhe0cudiuuj5kutap0eq7@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:52:31 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>>>>> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 03:16 p.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 11:53 am, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>>>>>>> <elbie_jovis_ka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 11:28 a.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 4:14 am, Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:19:13 -0700, Chom Noamsky
>>>>>>>>>>>> <c...@noamsky.here>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:35 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU deserved the prize.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't understand the significance of the EU.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After centuries of destructive nationalistic wars in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe the EU has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made war in among members of the EU virtually impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for that theory, the EU has been barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> staving off
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapse which most believe is inevitable. Collapse will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean war, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to Poland within ten years. The EU should have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never given
>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership to the lazy, corrupt, socialistic southern
>>>>>>>>>>>>> European states.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The statement made yesterday that the E.U. has given Europe
>>>>>>>>>>>> 60 years
>>>>>>>>>>>> of peace was beyond ridiculous. But, I could be wrong, as I
>>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Albania, Roumania
>>>>>>>>>>>> were in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I thought EU was created in 1993. But to hell with facts, I
>>>>>>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The EU has been around, though with a different name, for
>>>>>>>>>> about 60 years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Care to throw some of them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> European Economic Community, aka European Common Market, which
>>>>>>>> was the
>>>>>>>> daughter of the European Coal and Steel organization, whose goal
>>>>>>>> was to
>>>>>>>> prevent Europeans from slaughtering each other as they had been
>>>>>>>> doing for more than 25 centuries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ask the component countries of the former Yugoslavia how that
>>>>>>> went.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, 20-50 million in the Soviet Union alone. Oh wait, that was an
>>>>> atheistic socialist revolution with international aspirations.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So? An estimate 60 million humans died because of Hitler.
>>>>
>>>> Religion and nationalism kill.
>>>
>>> Absolute power kills, this is the real common denominator in all
>>> cases of systemic, mass human rights abuse. Blaming religion is too
>>> simplistic because a lot of Christian intellectuals have been behind
>>> the development of liberal human rights codes. Can't say the same
>>> for Islam, which should be labelled the new Nazism.
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> Killing for religious reason continuous this very day.
>> Men have been killing man over religious beliefs for millennia.
>> Men have been killing man over nationalism for millennia.
> Me have also killed over greed, land, race, ethnicity, jealousy, women
> and other causes As usual you are showing a lieberal, atheist bias,
>> Please don't complicate simple issues.
> Complicated issues give simpletons like you a headache don't they
>> The EU, the use of the Euro, go a long way to reducing the killing in
>> Europe.
> The single urrency ha slittle to do with peace in Europe The rise of
> consumerism and the fall of communism have a lot more to do with it than
> the Euro

Not to mention the development and enforcement of human rights codes.

>> They earned the Nobel prize
> Like Obama earned it, that's a load of bovine scatology
>

Viejo Vizcacha

10/15/2012 9:49:00 PM

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On 14/10/2012 04:59 a.m., Barry Bruyea wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:57:33 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13/10/2012 06:52 p.m., Barry Bruyea wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:52:31 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
>>> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/10/2012 03:16 p.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 13, 11:53 am, Viejo Vizcacha <elbie_jovis_ka...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 11:28 a.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 4:14 am, Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:19:13 -0700, Chom Noamsky <c...@noamsky.here>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:35 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> EU deserved the prize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You don't understand the significance of the EU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> After centuries of destructive nationalistic wars in Europe the EU has
>>>>>>>>>> made war in among members of the EU virtually impossible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for that theory, the EU has been barely staving off
>>>>>>>>> collapse which most believe is inevitable. Collapse will mean war, and
>>>>>>>>> according to Poland within ten years. The EU should have never given
>>>>>>>>> membership to the lazy, corrupt, socialistic southern European states.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The statement made yesterday that the E.U. has given Europe 60 years
>>>>>>>> of peace was beyond ridiculous. But, I could be wrong, as I always
>>>>>>>> thought Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Albania, Roumania
>>>>>>>> were in Europe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought EU was created in 1993. But to hell with facts, I guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The EU has been around, though with a different name, for about 60 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Care to throw some of them?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> European Economic Community, aka European Common Market, which was the
>>>> daughter of the European Coal and Steel organization, whose goal was to
>>>> prevent Europeans from slaughtering each other as they had been doing
>>>> for more than 25 centuries.
>>>>
>>>> VV
>>>
>>> Ask the component countries of the former Yugoslavia how that went.
>>>
>>
>> They were not in the EU when they were slaughtering each other, were they?
>
>
> They were in Europe, which is the place they're saying the "E.U." has
> given 60 years of Peace. Being disingenuous is all part of the
> philosophy of the E.U. and its predecessors.
>


There had not been a period of 60 years of peace in Europe between
Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Belgium, and Holland in the previous
two thousand years.

Barry Bruyea

10/15/2012 11:16:00 PM

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On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:48:34 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
<elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 14/10/2012 04:59 a.m., Barry Bruyea wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:57:33 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
>> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/10/2012 06:52 p.m., Barry Bruyea wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:52:31 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
>>>> <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13/10/2012 03:16 p.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 13, 11:53 am, Viejo Vizcacha <elbie_jovis_ka...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 13/10/2012 11:28 a.m., simplicity wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 4:14 am, Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:19:13 -0700, Chom Noamsky <c...@noamsky.here>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:35 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> EU deserved the prize.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't understand the significance of the EU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After centuries of destructive nationalistic wars in Europe the EU has
>>>>>>>>>>> made war in among members of the EU virtually impossible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for that theory, the EU has been barely staving off
>>>>>>>>>> collapse which most believe is inevitable. Collapse will mean war, and
>>>>>>>>>> according to Poland within ten years. The EU should have never given
>>>>>>>>>> membership to the lazy, corrupt, socialistic southern European states.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The statement made yesterday that the E.U. has given Europe 60 years
>>>>>>>>> of peace was beyond ridiculous. But, I could be wrong, as I always
>>>>>>>>> thought Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Albania, Roumania
>>>>>>>>> were in Europe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought EU was created in 1993. But to hell with facts, I guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The EU has been around, though with a different name, for about 60 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Care to throw some of them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> European Economic Community, aka European Common Market, which was the
>>>>> daughter of the European Coal and Steel organization, whose goal was to
>>>>> prevent Europeans from slaughtering each other as they had been doing
>>>>> for more than 25 centuries.
>>>>>
>>>>> VV
>>>>
>>>> Ask the component countries of the former Yugoslavia how that went.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They were not in the EU when they were slaughtering each other, were they?
>>
>>
>> They were in Europe, which is the place they're saying the "E.U." has
>> given 60 years of Peace. Being disingenuous is all part of the
>> philosophy of the E.U. and its predecessors.
>>
>
>
>There had not been a period of 60 years of peace in Europe between
>Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Belgium, and Holland in the previous
>two thousand years.

O.K. What's your point?
>

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