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Mike Williams

6/11/2011 7:44:00 AM

I see that Micro$oft have been caught thieving again! The evil bastards
attempt to screw everybody into the ground by aggressively attempting to
patent just about everything they do, often including things they have
themselves previously stolen, and yet when they want to include somone
else's work into their own bloatware they just go ahead and steal it. They
have in recent years been caught behaving like coporate gansters in Jamaica
and now they have been caught stealing stuff from Canada. What a bunch of
unprincipled bastards!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/microsoft-must-pay-copyright-cash-0848...
18 Answers

Mayayana

6/11/2011 12:39:00 PM

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|I see that Micro$oft have been caught thieving again! The evil bastards
| attempt to screw everybody into the ground by aggressively attempting to
| patent just about everything they do, often including things they have
| themselves previously stolen, and yet when they want to include somone
| else's work into their own bloatware they just go ahead and steal it. They
| have in recent years been caught behaving like coporate gansters in
Jamaica
| and now they have been caught stealing stuff from Canada. What a bunch of
| unprincipled bastards!
|
| http://uk.news.yahoo.com/microsoft-must-pay-copyright-cash-0848...
|

Is that something to celebrate? As I understand it,
i4i has patented something akin to object embedding
and is applying it to a publicly standardized file format.
Shouldn't we blame the patent office for this? Saying
that MS has "got their due" only strengthens the overall
system of copyright and patent "booty", which ends up
creating a tech. world ruled by giants, while the little
people have to pay protection money.
One might call it the World of the iWarlords... if Steve
Jobs hasn't already been granted a copyright on "i". :)


Auric__

6/11/2011 3:11:00 PM

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Mike Williams wrote:

> I see that Micro$oft have been caught thieving again!

What does this have to do with VB? *THAT* at least they paid for.

--
Not only do US programmers have to compete against programmers in
other countries, but now we have to compete against the Undead?

StrandElectric

6/11/2011 7:18:00 PM

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"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message
news:isv6bl$osg$1@dont-email.me...
>I see that Micro$oft have been caught thieving again! The evil bastards
>attempt to screw everybody into the ground by aggressively attempting to
>patent just about everything they do, often including things they have
>themselves previously stolen, and yet when they want to include somone
>else's work into their own bloatware they just go ahead and steal it. They
>have in recent years been caught behaving like coporate gansters in Jamaica
>and now they have been caught stealing stuff from Canada. What a bunch of
>unprincipled bastards!
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/microsoft-must-pay-copyright-cash-0848...
>
And I believe that in discussing the "Cloud Computing" model, where it is
proposed that all your software and data will be held on a distant company's
machine, so that your own is merely an internet terminal, some learned twit
has stated that one of the "trusted" companies to provide such hosting might
be Microsoft! Incredible!


David Kaye

6/11/2011 7:54:00 PM

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"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote

> and now they have been caught stealing stuff from Canada. What a bunch of
> unprincipled bastards!

Yeah, just like Apple stealing the mouse and the windowing environment from
Xerox Star.

DanS

6/12/2011 4:08:00 PM

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"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in
news:isv6bl$osg$1@dont-email.me:

> I see that Micro$oft have been caught thieving again! The
> evil bastards attempt to screw everybody into the ground by
> aggressively attempting to patent just about everything
> they do, often including things they have themselves
> previously stolen, and yet when they want to include somone
> else's work into their own bloatware they just go ahead and
> steal it. They have in recent years been caught behaving
> like coporate gansters in Jamaica and now they have been
> caught stealing stuff from Canada. What a bunch of
> unprincipled bastards!
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/microsoft-must-pay-copyri...
> 84855404.html

Actually, s/w patent are ridiculous and the entire system
needs to be overhauled for the computer industry.

There are almost no *truly* innovative ideas anymore, and some
companies buy & apply for and receive patents as their main
business now.

The system is ocmpletely broken.....

Take this for example.... http://arstechnica...
source/news/2009/11/microsofts-psuedo-sudo-patent-doesnt-
really-cover-sudo.ars

.....while the initial reaction across the open source & linux
communities was appauled that MS was able to 'patent' the SUDO
command, which was mistakn, I see nothing innovative in the
nature of what this patent really covers.....

What it covers is when elevated rightas are needed to do
something, the OS will show you a GUI of all users that have
admin rights, so you can pick it off a list, instead of having
to type in a user name.

That's it, in a nutshell.

Forgive me if I'm simplfying this, but isn't this just a
database lookup table ?

I mean, really, the OS will look through the registry (or
wherever this info is stored), filter out which don't have
admin rights, and then present them to you in a box which you
can scroll up or down to highlight the one you want to select,
and prese enter.

This certainly isn't anything 'innovative'.

Access Developer

6/12/2011 5:42:00 PM

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"Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> wrote

> Mike Williams wrote:
>
>> I see that Micro$oft have been caught
>> thieving again!
>
> What does this have to do with VB?
> *THAT* at least they paid for.

Mike's got a hardon against Microsoft, so cut him a little slack for being
off-topic. There aren't enough posts here now for it to matter as much as it
once did.

The U.S. Patent Office, knowing little about computers or software, began
granting unwarranted software patents years ago, and companies of all sizes
are just taking advantage of the Patent Office's idiocy. Everybody and the
fleas on their dogs are applying for patents, and having them granted, for
trivial, non-unique, non-original work and then suing everyone in sight.

It's not just Microsoft, and it's not 'just desserts'.

Larry


mikeb

6/12/2011 8:44:00 PM

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"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:Xns9F027B6CC915Dthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
> "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in
> news:isv6bl$osg$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> I see that Micro$oft have been caught thieving again! The
>> evil bastards attempt to screw everybody into the ground by
>> aggressively attempting to patent just about everything
>> they do, often including things they have themselves
>> previously stolen, and yet when they want to include somone
>> else's work into their own bloatware they just go ahead and
>> steal it. They have in recent years been caught behaving
>> like coporate gansters in Jamaica and now they have been
>> caught stealing stuff from Canada. What a bunch of
>> unprincipled bastards!
>>
>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/microsoft-must-pay-copyri...
>> 84855404.html
>
> Actually, s/w patent are ridiculous and the entire system
> needs to be overhauled for the computer industry.
>
> There are almost no *truly* innovative ideas anymore, and some


I have thought for a very long time, that in any given language to
address a specific problem, and the problem is addressed many to the fourth
or so, that exact source code replication is inevitable, so in that context,
when the particular replicator comes up with the exact solution, independent
of the discovery or exposure to the originating source code, how has he
violated anything?

Music is another shithole of copyrights. An album/song can't be sold by a
label until each song has been checked for sampling and if any song has (I
don't know the exact standard) sampling, inadvertant or not, the label has
to secure a release by either paying for or being granted outright before
releasing for sale because of the monetary exposure..


> companies buy & apply for and receive patents as their main
> business now.
>
> The system is ocmpletely broken.....
>
> Take this for example.... http://arstechnica...
> source/news/2009/11/microsofts-psuedo-sudo-patent-doesnt-
> really-cover-sudo.ars
>
> ....while the initial reaction across the open source & linux
> communities was appauled that MS was able to 'patent' the SUDO
> command, which was mistakn, I see nothing innovative in the
> nature of what this patent really covers.....
>
> What it covers is when elevated rightas are needed to do
> something, the OS will show you a GUI of all users that have
> admin rights, so you can pick it off a list, instead of having
> to type in a user name.
>
> That's it, in a nutshell.
>
> Forgive me if I'm simplfying this, but isn't this just a
> database lookup table ?
>
> I mean, really, the OS will look through the registry (or
> wherever this info is stored), filter out which don't have
> admin rights, and then present them to you in a box which you
> can scroll up or down to highlight the one you want to select,
> and prese enter.
>
> This certainly isn't anything 'innovative'.
>
>
>
>


StrandElectric

6/12/2011 9:07:00 PM

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"mbyerley" <mbyerley@byerley.net> wrote in message
news:za6dnRs3g5VluWjQnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9F027B6CC915Dthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>> "Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in
>> news:isv6bl$osg$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> I see that Micro$oft have been caught thieving again! The
>>> evil bastards attempt to screw everybody into the ground by
>>> aggressively attempting to patent just about everything
>>> they do, often including things they have themselves
>>> previously stolen, and yet when they want to include somone
>>> else's work into their own bloatware they just go ahead and
>>> steal it. They have in recent years been caught behaving
>>> like coporate gansters in Jamaica and now they have been
>>> caught stealing stuff from Canada. What a bunch of
>>> unprincipled bastards!
>>>
>>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/microsoft-must-pay-copyri...
>>> 84855404.html
>>
>> Actually, s/w patent are ridiculous and the entire system
>> needs to be overhauled for the computer industry.
>>
>> There are almost no *truly* innovative ideas anymore, and some
>
>
> I have thought for a very long time, that in any given language to
> address a specific problem, and the problem is addressed many to the
> fourth or so, that exact source code replication is inevitable, so in that
> context, when the particular replicator comes up with the exact solution,
> independent of the discovery or exposure to the originating source code,
> how has he violated anything?
>
> Music is another shithole of copyrights. An album/song can't be sold by
> a label until each song has been checked for sampling and if any song has
> (I don't know the exact standard) sampling, inadvertant or not, the label
> has to secure a release by either paying for or being granted outright
> before releasing for sale because of the monetary exposure..
>
>
>> companies buy & apply for and receive patents as their main
>> business now.
>>
>> The system is ocmpletely broken.....
>>
>> Take this for example.... http://arstechnica...
>> source/news/2009/11/microsofts-psuedo-sudo-patent-doesnt-
>> really-cover-sudo.ars
>>
>> ....while the initial reaction across the open source & linux
>> communities was appauled that MS was able to 'patent' the SUDO
>> command, which was mistakn, I see nothing innovative in the
>> nature of what this patent really covers.....
>>
>> What it covers is when elevated rightas are needed to do
>> something, the OS will show you a GUI of all users that have
>> admin rights, so you can pick it off a list, instead of having
>> to type in a user name.
>>
>> That's it, in a nutshell.
>>
>> Forgive me if I'm simplfying this, but isn't this just a
>> database lookup table ?
>>
>> I mean, really, the OS will look through the registry (or
>> wherever this info is stored), filter out which don't have
>> admin rights, and then present them to you in a box which you
>> can scroll up or down to highlight the one you want to select,
>> and prese enter.
>>
>> This certainly isn't anything 'innovative'.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
It all sounds like American lawyers to me...


JensB

6/13/2011 5:05:00 AM

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Access Developer brought next idea :

> It's not just Microsoft, and it's not 'just desserts'.

Minor quibble - you are correct in that it is not 'just desserts'. It
is actually 'just deserts' (one 's').

--
Michael Cole

Dee Earley

6/13/2011 8:15:00 AM

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On 11/06/2011 08:43, Mike Williams wrote:
> I see that Micro$oft have been caught thieving again!

Ah, just as off topic as everyone claims .NET to be...

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