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Client side GUI-like web framework ?

USCode

2/4/2008 5:46:00 PM

Wouldn't it be handy if there was a web framework that allowed you to
create pages and control the interface like you would using a
client-side GUI framework such as Tkinter?

The framework would need a small, fast web server that would
automatically fire up when you ran your application and you then control
the interface just like you would with client-side GUI widgets (within
the limitations of browsers of course). It would handle all the
complexities of HTTP, HTML, Javascript, etc. letting you focus on adding
functionality to your application.

Essentially you would be using the browser as your cross-platform
client-side interface. You would just interact with all the widgets
like trees, grids, paned windows, checkboxes, buttons, etc.

There wouldn't happen to be anything like that available, would there?
I've seen CherryPy but that doesn't quite seem to be what I described.

Thanks!
13 Answers

riquito

2/4/2008 6:44:00 PM

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On 4 Feb, 18:45, USCode <d...@spamon.me> wrote:
> Wouldn't it be handy if there was a web framework that allowed you to
> create pages and control the interface like you would using a
> client-side GUI framework such as Tkinter?
>
> The framework would need a small, fast web server that would
> automatically fire up when you ran your application and you then control
> the interface just like you would with client-side GUI widgets (within
> the limitations of browsers of course). It would handle all the
> complexities of HTTP, HTML, Javascript, etc. letting you focus on adding
> functionality to your application.
>
> Essentially you would be using the browser as your cross-platform
> client-side interface. You would just interact with all the widgets
> like trees, grids, paned windows, checkboxes, buttons, etc.
>
> There wouldn't happen to be anything like that available, would there?
> I've seen CherryPy but that doesn't quite seem to be what I described.
>
> Thanks!


You just described what XUL aims to be
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/The_...
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs...

At present it lacks for sure documentation (or maybe it isn't
organized really well)

USCode

2/4/2008 7:12:00 PM

0

riquito@gmail.com wrote:
> You just described what XUL aims to be
> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/The_...
> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs...
>
> At present it lacks for sure documentation (or maybe it isn't
> organized really well)

Just took a look at XUL and it in some ways describes what I was
thinking except it doesn't appear to deliver it's interface via a
browser/web server. Then your application wouldn't be accessible via a
web browser through the internet. The XUL application still appears to
only execute locally on the client machine?

Also, personally I find having to describe your interface directly via
XML (XUL) is just plain ugly.

Salvatore DI DIO

2/4/2008 7:17:00 PM

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riquito@gmail.com a écrit :
>
> You just described what XUL aims to be
> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/The_...
> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs...

XUL is great but it does not allow yet to use Python.
There use to be such a beast, it was named 'Nufox'...

Give a try to http://www.appcelerator.org/...

Regards

Salvatore A.K.A ArtyProg

Michael L Torrie

2/5/2008 12:10:00 AM

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USCode wrote:
> riquito@gmail.com wrote:
>> You just described what XUL aims to be
>> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/The_...
>> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs...
>>
>> At present it lacks for sure documentation (or maybe it isn't
>> organized really well)
>
> Just took a look at XUL and it in some ways describes what I was
> thinking except it doesn't appear to deliver it's interface via a
> browser/web server. Then your application wouldn't be accessible via a
> web browser through the internet. The XUL application still appears to
> only execute locally on the client machine?

But it is served up in the firefox web browser. A good example is:

http://www.faser.net/mab/chrome/conte...

The UI always, by definition, has to run on the client. This is true
whether you're talking about a non-web-based GUI, or an html form. XUL
is no different. XUL does blend client and server-side logic into a
stateful app.

>
> Also, personally I find having to describe your interface directly via
> XML (XUL) is just plain ugly.

I agree completey.

>


--
Michael Torrie
Assistant CSR, System Administrator
Chemistry and Biochemistry Department
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
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USCode

2/5/2008 12:38:00 AM

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Michael L Torrie wrote:
>
> But it is served up in the firefox web browser. A good example is:
>
> http://www.faser.net/mab/chrome/conte...
>
That's pretty slick, but unfortunately then you're locked into only the
Firefox web browser, which many folks don't use. You're trading OS
lock-in for browser lock-in.

Eric

2/5/2008 12:59:00 AM

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On Feb 4, 9:45 am, USCode <d...@spamon.me> wrote:
> Wouldn't it be handy if there was a web framework that allowed you to
> create pages and control the interface like you would using a
> client-side GUI framework such as Tkinter?
>
> The framework would need a small, fast web server that would
> automatically fire up when you ran your application and you then control
> the interface just like you would with client-side GUI widgets (within
> the limitations of browsers of course). It would handle all the
> complexities of HTTP, HTML, Javascript, etc. letting you focus on adding
> functionality to your application.
>
> Essentially you would be using the browser as your cross-platform
> client-side interface. You would just interact with all the widgets
> like trees, grids, paned windows, checkboxes, buttons, etc.
>
> There wouldn't happen to be anything like that available, would there?
> I've seen CherryPy but that doesn't quite seem to be what I described.
>
> Thanks!

The most all-encompassing Python web framework I know of is
Turbogears. It handles Javascript, your database, and everything in
between; CherryPy is its built-in server. The setup script for it is
kind of horrifying, on account of the huge number of separate packages
it grabs from around the Internet, but it's still a popular framework.
I think that's one thing you could use for an easy-peasy, highly
interactive web application.

There is actually no shortage of existing Python web frameworks.

Michael L Torrie

2/5/2008 1:47:00 AM

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USCode wrote:
> Michael L Torrie wrote:
>> But it is served up in the firefox web browser. A good example is:
>>
>> http://www.faser.net/mab/chrome/conte...
>>
> That's pretty slick, but unfortunately then you're locked into only the
> Firefox web browser, which many folks don't use. You're trading OS
> lock-in for browser lock-in.

Which is a heck of lot better than OS lock in. Of course you can use
xul-runner or something. Gecko and XUL are both open source, so I'm not
quite sure what this lock in really is, though.

USCode

2/5/2008 3:27:00 AM

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Michael L Torrie wrote:
> Which is a heck of lot better than OS lock in. Of course you can use
> xul-runner or something. Gecko and XUL are both open source, so I'm not
> quite sure what this lock in really is, though.
>
Lock-in in the sense that your application would only run in the Firefox
browser, not IE, Safari, Opera, etc...

jay graves

2/5/2008 3:58:00 AM

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On Feb 4, 11:45 am, USCode <d...@spamon.me> wrote:
> Wouldn't it be handy if there was a web framework that allowed you to
> create pages and control the interface like you would using a
> client-side GUI framework such as Tkinter?

What about GWT?
http://code.google.com/w...

Or its python counterpart, pyjamas?
http://code.google.com/...

....
jay graves

USCode

2/5/2008 5:15:00 AM

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jay graves wrote:
> On Feb 4, 11:45 am, USCode <d...@spamon.me> wrote:
>> Wouldn't it be handy if there was a web framework that allowed you to
>> create pages and control the interface like you would using a
>> client-side GUI framework such as Tkinter?
>
> What about GWT?
> http://code.google.com/w...
>
> Or its python counterpart, pyjamas?
> http://code.google.com/...
>
> ...
> jay graves
Thanks Jay and I guess in my original post I didn't explicitly specify
Python but that is what I was after.
After poking around a bit pyjamas looks like it might be exactly what I
was after except the main pyjamas website http://pyjamas.p...
appears to be down ... is it still an active project?
Anyone have any experience with pyjamas?
Thanks!