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Derek Smith

4/9/2009 1:08:00 AM

Hi All,

I have posted the same code b4, but could not find my original post,
however this is a different question. I am a newb, so here I go.
Thank you!

This is my error:

$ ruby test.rb
test.rb:46: undefined method `flock' for main:Object (NoMethodError)
from test.rb:45:in `open'
from test.rb:45
from test.rb:42:in `each'
from test.rb:42

Here is my code:

#!/usr/bin/ruby -w

require 'ftools'
array1 = Dir.glob("*.log")
if ( array1.length >= 1 )
array1.each { |file|
File.copy(file, "#{file}.orig")
if (File.size?(file) > FSIZE)
File.open(file, 'r+') do |f|
flock(f, File::LOCK_SH) do |f|
f << "i got a lock"
end
end
end
}
else
raise StandardError, "Array 'array1' has no values, logs will not be
rolled!"
end
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8 Answers

Joel VanderWerf

4/9/2009 1:15:00 AM

Derek Smith wrote:
> test.rb:46: undefined method `flock' for main:Object (NoMethodError)
...
> File.open(file, 'r+') do |f|
> flock(f, File::LOCK_SH) do |f|

That should be File.flock.

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Derek Smith

4/9/2009 1:28:00 AM

Joel VanderWerf wrote:
> Derek Smith wrote:
>> test.rb:46: undefined method `flock' for main:Object (NoMethodError)
> ...
>> File.open(file, 'r+') do |f|
>> flock(f, File::LOCK_SH) do |f|
>
> That should be File.flock.

OK tried that...thx!, but now I am seeing

__STDERR__

test.rb:46: undefined method `flock' for File:Class (NoMethodError)
from test.rb:45:in `open'
from test.rb:45
from test.rb:42:in `each'
from test.rb:42

__CODE__

if ( array1.length >= 1 )
array1.each { |file|
File.copy(file, "#{file}.orig")
if (File.size?(file) > FSIZE)
File.open(file, 'r+') do |f|
File.flock(f, File::LOCK_SH) do |f|
f << "i got a lock"
end
end
end
}
else
raise StandardError, "Array 'array1' has no values, logs will not be
rolled!"
end

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Joel VanderWerf

4/9/2009 1:35:00 AM

Derek Smith wrote:
> Joel VanderWerf wrote:
>> Derek Smith wrote:
>>> test.rb:46: undefined method `flock' for main:Object (NoMethodError)
>> ...
>>> File.open(file, 'r+') do |f|
>>> flock(f, File::LOCK_SH) do |f|
>> That should be File.flock.

sorry, my fault... should be

f.flock(File::LOCK_SH) do
...
end

Take a look at `ri flock` for details.

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Michael Malone

4/9/2009 1:40:00 AM

>> That should be File.flock.
>>
>
>
> OK tried that...thx!, but now I am seeing
>
> __STDERR__
>
> test.rb:46: undefined method `flock' for File:Class (NoMethodError)
> from test.rb:45:in `open'
> from test.rb:45
> from test.rb:42:in `each'
> from test.rb:42
>
>
File#flock => f.flock

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Phlip

1/12/2012 8:38:00 PM

> You haven't defended the actions of Hamas and such?

While you are at it, defend the actions of Sitting Bull & Crazy Horse
at Little Bighorn.

First. Post

1/12/2012 10:22:00 PM

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:26:14 -0600, David Hartung <david@hotmai*l.com>
wrote:

>On 01/12/2012 02:00 PM, 2849 Dead wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:04:55 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/12/2012 12:37 PM, 2849 Dead wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:27:23 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/12/2012 10:27 AM, 2849 Dead wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/12/karzai-con...
>> video-
>>>>>> urination-corpses
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karzai leads wave of condemnation over video of urination on corpses
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Afghan president calls video of US marines urinating on corpses
>>>>>> 'inhumane', but the Taliban says it will not hinder peace talks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris McGreal in Washington
>>>>>> guardian.co.uk, Thursday 12 January 2012 10.23 EST
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This video allegedly shows US troops urinating on bodies of Taliban
>>>>>> fighters. Warning: graphic content Link to this video
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Afghan president Hamid Karzai has led a chorus of condemnation of US
>>>>>> marines filmed urinating on the bodies of dead Afghans as "inhumane"
>>>>>> and called for them to be severely punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karzai was joined by the leaders of foreign coalition forces in Kabul
>>>>>> and Senator John McCain, a navy veteran, in denouncing the latest in
>>>>>> a series of abuses by American soldiers, who have yet to be
>>>>>> identified, which is likely to further inflame hostility to Nato
>>>>>> troops in Afghanistan and reinforce the perception that there is an
>>>>>> institutional problem in the US military.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> US defence secretary Leon Panetta also condemned the video on
>>>>>> Thursday, promising to punish those involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I have seen the footage, and I find the behaviour depicted in it
>>>>>> utterly deplorable," Panetta said in a statement, saying he had
>>>>>> ordered the Marine Corps and the commander of US and Nato troops in
>>>>>> Afghanistan to investigate the incident. "Those found to have engaged
>>>>>> in such conduct will be held accountable to the fullest extent."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Pentaton said it had no information so far that casts doubt on
>>>>>> the authenticity of the video. "We don't have any indication that
>>>>>> it's not authentic," spokesman Captain John Kirby said. "It certainly
>>>>>> appears to us to be what it appears to be to you guys... troops
>>>>>> urinating on corpses. But there's an investigation process ongoing.
>>>>>> We need to let that work its way through to determine all the facts
>>>>>> of the case."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A leading negotiator in Karzai's peace council, Arsala Rahmani, said
>>>>>> that the film of the four marines laughing and making snide comments
>>>>>> as they urinate on the bloodied corpses will have a "very, very bad
>>>>>> impact on peace efforts".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Looking at such action, the Taliban can easily recruit young people
>>>>>> and tell them that their country has been attacked by Christians and
>>>>>> Jews and they must defend it," he said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the Taliban, while criticising the actions of the marines as
>>>>>> "shameful", said the latest revelations of abuse by US forces will
>>>>>> not block attempts to get talks started to bring an end to the Afghan
>>>>>> conflict.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the graphic video, a soldier films four other marines as they take
>>>>>> out their penises and urinate on three bloodied corpses. They sigh
>>>>>> with relief, laugh and make comments including "have a great day,
>>>>>> buddy" and "golden, like a shower".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The soldiers in the video appear to be members of Scout Sniper Team
>>>>>> 4, a US marines unit that served in Afghanistan as recently as last
>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not clear who the dead Afghans are. They are possibly Taliban
>>>>>> fighters, but their corpses are not shown with weapons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karzai said in a statement that he was "deeply disturbed by a video
>>>>>> that shows American soldiers desecrating dead bodies of three
>>>>>> Afghans".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This act by American soldiers is completely inhumane and condemnable
>>>>>> in the strongest possible terms. We expressly ask the US government
>>>>>> to urgently investigate the video and apply the most severe
>>>>>> punishment to anyone found guilty in this crime," he said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said it
>>>>>> "strongly condemns the actions depicted in the video, which appear to
>>>>>> have been conducted by a small group of US individuals, who
>>>>>> apparently are no longer serving in Afghanistan".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This disrespectful act is inexplicable and not in keeping with the
>>>>>> high moral standards we expect of coalition forces," it said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The US military said it is "deeply troubled" by the film but added
>>>>>> that its authenticity has yet to be confirmed. However, the
>>>>>> condemnation from Isaf and the Afghan leadership suggested that there
>>>>>> is little doubt the video is genuine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousuf Ahmadi, told the BBC that it is not
>>>>>> the first time Americans had carried out such a "wild action". But
>>>>>> another different Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, said the
>>>>>> video "is not a political process, so the video will not harm our
>>>>>> talks and prisoner exchange because they are at the preliminary
>>>>>> stage".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The exposure of the video, widely viewed on the web, comes as the
>>>>>> Obama administration attempts to fire up peace talks with the Taliban
>>>>>> before the US begins to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc Grossman, the White House special representative, will meet
>>>>>> Karzai in Kabul this weekend as well as officials in Turkey, Saudi
>>>>>> Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last week, the Taliban announced it would to set up a political
>>>>>> office in Qatar which appears to be an important step toward
>>>>>> negotiations. Washington is considering reciprocating by releasing
>>>>>> several Taliban prisoners from the Guantanamo jail as a
>>>>>> confidence-building measure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While the latest revelation of abuses does not appear likely to
>>>>>> derail the latest peace effort it again raises questions about
>>>>>> whether there is a culture of abuse in US forces serving in
>>>>>> Afghanistan and Iraq.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last year, 11 soldiers were convicted over the murders of three
>>>>>> Afghan civilians by a "kill squad" and the subsequent cover up. It
>>>>>> was revealed that some of them collected body parts, including
>>>>>> fingers and skull parts, as trophies, and posed for photographs over
>>>>>> the corpses of their victims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This week, a US marine went on trial over the killing of 24 Iraqis,
>>>>>> including women and children, in their homes. Staff Sergeant Frank
>>>>>> Wuterich faces charges of manslaughter over the killings as he
>>>>>> commanded a group of soldiers who burst into the victims' homes in
>>>>>> Haditha in search of combatants. Seven other soldiers also charged
>>>>>> were either acquitted or had the case against them dropped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The US military is also still grappling with the legacy of the abuse
>>>>>> of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and its role in the
>>>>>> torture of alleged terrorists.
>>>>>
>>>>> The same people who "deplore" the actions of four immature Marines,
>>>>> have justified attacks on innocent civilians by terrorists around the
>>>>> world. You will forgive me if your anger means little to me.
>>>>
>>>> So atrocity should be met with atrocity.
>>>
>>> Once again, you really need to learn how to read.
>>>
>>> You are among those who have justified the attacks of terrorists around
>>> the world. Now you get angry over four men doing something which causes
>>> no one any harm, but which is offensive to our western sensibilities,
>>> including mine.
>>
>> You been taking Fake Bill lessons or something? I've NEVER justified
>> terrorist attacks.
>
>You haven't defended the actions of Hamas and such?
>
>If that is the case, I apologize.

Zepp blaming Israel for Hamas attacks and calling Israel the real
terrorists.
Going back from most recent to oldest see posts on Mar 15 2008 for a
starter.

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/a7bdeba632fdae2e/38fcee...

It should also be noted that Zepp never posted a single comment
condemning any terrorist attacks or beheadings.

You've got nothing to really be apologetic for Dave.
Everyone knows how Zepp really feels about the US. Total contempt.

liberal

1/13/2012 8:54:00 PM

On Jan 12, 3:56 pm, 2849 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:26:14 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 01/12/2012 02:00 PM, 2849 Dead wrote:
> >> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:04:55 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>
> >>> On 01/12/2012 12:37 PM, 2849 Dead wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:27:23 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 01/12/2012 10:27 AM, 2849 Dead wrote:
> >>>>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/12/karzai-con...
> >> video-
> >>>>>> urination-corpses
>
> >>>>>> Karzai leads wave of condemnation over video of urination on
> >>>>>> corpses
>
> >>>>>> Afghan president calls video of US marines urinating on corpses
> >>>>>> 'inhumane', but the Taliban says it will not hinder peace talks
>
> >>>>>> Chris McGreal in Washington
> >>>>>> guardian.co.uk, Thursday 12 January 2012 10.23 EST
>
> >>>>>> This video allegedly shows US troops urinating on bodies of Taliban
> >>>>>> fighters. Warning: graphic content Link to this video
>
> >>>>>> Afghan president Hamid Karzai has led a chorus of condemnation of
> >>>>>> US marines filmed urinating on the bodies of dead Afghans as
> >>>>>> "inhumane" and called for them to be severely punished.
>
> >>>>>> Karzai was joined by the leaders of foreign coalition forces in
> >>>>>> Kabul and Senator John McCain, a navy veteran, in denouncing the
> >>>>>> latest in a series of abuses by American soldiers, who have yet to
> >>>>>> be identified, which is likely to further inflame hostility to Nato
> >>>>>> troops in Afghanistan and reinforce the perception that there is an
> >>>>>> institutional problem in the US military.
>
> >>>>>> US defence secretary Leon Panetta also condemned the video on
> >>>>>> Thursday, promising to punish those involved.
>
> >>>>>> "I have seen the footage, and I find the behaviour depicted in it
> >>>>>> utterly deplorable," Panetta said in a statement, saying he had
> >>>>>> ordered the Marine Corps and the commander of US and Nato troops in
> >>>>>> Afghanistan to investigate the incident. "Those found to have
> >>>>>> engaged in such conduct will be held accountable to the fullest
> >>>>>> extent."
>
> >>>>>> The Pentaton said it had no information so far that casts doubt on
> >>>>>> the authenticity of the video. "We don't have any indication that
> >>>>>> it's not authentic," spokesman Captain John Kirby said. "It
> >>>>>> certainly appears to us to be what it appears to be to you guys...
> >>>>>> troops urinating on corpses. But there's an investigation process
> >>>>>> ongoing. We need to let that work its way through to determine all
> >>>>>> the facts of the case."
>
> >>>>>> A leading negotiator in Karzai's peace council, Arsala Rahmani,
> >>>>>> said that the film of the four marines laughing and making snide
> >>>>>> comments as they urinate on the bloodied corpses will have a "very,
> >>>>>> very bad impact on peace efforts".
>
> >>>>>> "Looking at such action, the Taliban can easily recruit young
> >>>>>> people and tell them that their country has been attacked by
> >>>>>> Christians and Jews and they must defend it," he said.
>
> >>>>>> But the Taliban, while criticising the actions of the marines as
> >>>>>> "shameful", said the latest revelations of abuse by US forces will
> >>>>>> not block attempts to get talks started to bring an end to the
> >>>>>> Afghan conflict.
>
> >>>>>> In the graphic video, a soldier films four other marines as they
> >>>>>> take out their penises and urinate on three bloodied corpses. They
> >>>>>> sigh with relief, laugh and make comments including "have a great
> >>>>>> day, buddy" and "golden, like a shower".
>
> >>>>>> The soldiers in the video appear to be members of Scout Sniper Team
> >>>>>> 4, a US marines unit that served in Afghanistan as recently as last
> >>>>>> year.
>
> >>>>>> It is not clear who the dead Afghans are. They are possibly Taliban
> >>>>>> fighters, but their corpses are not shown with weapons.
>
> >>>>>> Karzai said in a statement that he was "deeply disturbed by a video
> >>>>>> that shows American soldiers desecrating dead bodies of three
> >>>>>> Afghans".
>
> >>>>>> "This act by American soldiers is completely inhumane and
> >>>>>> condemnable in the strongest possible terms. We expressly ask the
> >>>>>> US government to urgently investigate the video and apply the most
> >>>>>> severe punishment to anyone found guilty in this crime," he said.
>
> >>>>>> The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said it
> >>>>>> "strongly condemns the actions depicted in the video, which appear
> >>>>>> to have been conducted by a small group of US individuals, who
> >>>>>> apparently are no longer serving in Afghanistan".
>
> >>>>>> "This disrespectful act is inexplicable and not in keeping with the
> >>>>>> high moral standards we expect of coalition forces," it said.
>
> >>>>>> The US military said it is "deeply troubled" by the film but added
> >>>>>> that its authenticity has yet to be confirmed. However, the
> >>>>>> condemnation from Isaf and the Afghan leadership suggested that
> >>>>>> there is little doubt the video is genuine.
>
> >>>>>> A Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousuf Ahmadi, told the BBC that it is
> >>>>>> not the first time Americans had carried out such a "wild action".
> >>>>>> But another different Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, said
> >>>>>> the video "is not a political process, so the video will not harm
> >>>>>> our talks and prisoner exchange because they are at the preliminary
> >>>>>> stage".
>
> >>>>>> The exposure of the video, widely viewed on the web, comes as the
> >>>>>> Obama administration attempts to fire up peace talks with the
> >>>>>> Taliban before the US begins to withdraw its forces from
> >>>>>> Afghanistan.
>
> >>>>>> Marc Grossman, the White House special representative, will meet
> >>>>>> Karzai in Kabul this weekend as well as officials in Turkey, Saudi
> >>>>>> Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
>
> >>>>>> Last week, the Taliban announced it would to set up a political
> >>>>>> office in Qatar which appears to be an important step toward
> >>>>>> negotiations. Washington is considering reciprocating by releasing
> >>>>>> several Taliban prisoners from the Guantanamo jail as a
> >>>>>> confidence-building measure.
>
> >>>>>> While the latest revelation of abuses does not appear likely to
> >>>>>> derail the latest peace effort it again raises questions about
> >>>>>> whether there is a culture of abuse in US forces serving in
> >>>>>> Afghanistan and Iraq.
>
> >>>>>> Last year, 11 soldiers were convicted over the murders of three
> >>>>>> Afghan civilians by a "kill squad" and the subsequent cover up. It
> >>>>>> was revealed that some of them collected body parts, including
> >>>>>> fingers and skull parts, as trophies, and posed for photographs
> >>>>>> over the corpses of their victims.
>
> >>>>>> This week, a US marine went on trial over the killing of 24 Iraqis,
> >>>>>> including women and children, in their homes. Staff Sergeant Frank
> >>>>>> Wuterich faces charges of manslaughter over the killings as he
> >>>>>> commanded a group of soldiers who burst into the victims' homes in
> >>>>>> Haditha in search of combatants. Seven other soldiers also charged
> >>>>>> were either acquitted or had the case against them dropped.
>
> >>>>>> The US military is also still grappling with the legacy of the
> >>>>>> abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and its role in
> >>>>>> the torture of alleged terrorists.
>
> >>>>> The same people who "deplore" the actions of four immature Marines,
> >>>>> have justified attacks on innocent civilians by terrorists around
> >>>>> the world. You will forgive me if your anger means little to me.
>
> >>>> So atrocity should be met with atrocity.
>
> >>> Once again, you really need to learn how to read.
>
> >>> You are among those who have justified the attacks of terrorists
> >>> around the world. Now you get angry over four men doing something
> >>> which causes no one any harm, but which is offensive to our western
> >>> sensibilities, including mine.
>
> >> You been taking Fake Bill lessons or something? I've NEVER justified
> >> terrorist attacks.
>
> > You haven't defended the actions of Hamas and such?
>
> > If that is the case, I apologize.
>
> I've never justified Hamas, but I'm sharply critical of people who use
> the ineffectual attacks to justify far greater Israeli atrocities.

"Far greater"???? Goosestepping much?

Why do so many self-defined "liberals" hate Jews. Yeah, yeah, I know,
you have several Jewish friends here in America.

One of the reasons for Israel's actions is that Israel must look at
the other countries in the middle east which egg on the Palestinians.
Why does Iran hate Israel....because it's Jewish. Yet those very same
middle east nations hate Palestinians with a similar fervor.

Try to understand, those settlements you use to represent all the
evils of Jews in the middle east are actually supported by American
evangelicals as a necessary step to the Second Coming. Furthermore,
the nature of the Irsaeli political system, a parlimentary system with
multiple parties, means a small clique of religious wackos controls
which major party heads the government. Kinda like the role teahadists
have had in the US.

>
> So: did you read up on the Sepoy Mutiny?
>
> --
> “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution
> inevitable” -JFK
>
> --
> “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution
> inevitable” -JFK

Not Sure

1/13/2012 9:30:00 PM

On Jan 12, 12:56 pm, 2849 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:26:14 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 01/12/2012 02:00 PM, 2849 Dead wrote:
> >> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:04:55 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>
> >>> On 01/12/2012 12:37 PM, 2849 Dead wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:27:23 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 01/12/2012 10:27 AM, 2849 Dead wrote:
> >>>>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/12/karzai-con...
> >> video-
> >>>>>> urination-corpses
>
> >>>>>> Karzai leads wave of condemnation over video of urination on
> >>>>>> corpses
>
> >>>>>> Afghan president calls video of US marines urinating on corpses
> >>>>>> 'inhumane', but the Taliban says it will not hinder peace talks
>
> >>>>>> Chris McGreal in Washington
> >>>>>> guardian.co.uk, Thursday 12 January 2012 10.23 EST
>
> >>>>>> This video allegedly shows US troops urinating on bodies of Taliban
> >>>>>> fighters. Warning: graphic content Link to this video
>
> >>>>>> Afghan president Hamid Karzai has led a chorus of condemnation of
> >>>>>> US marines filmed urinating on the bodies of dead Afghans as
> >>>>>> "inhumane" and called for them to be severely punished.
>
> >>>>>> Karzai was joined by the leaders of foreign coalition forces in
> >>>>>> Kabul and Senator John McCain, a navy veteran, in denouncing the
> >>>>>> latest in a series of abuses by American soldiers, who have yet to
> >>>>>> be identified, which is likely to further inflame hostility to Nato
> >>>>>> troops in Afghanistan and reinforce the perception that there is an
> >>>>>> institutional problem in the US military.
>
> >>>>>> US defence secretary Leon Panetta also condemned the video on
> >>>>>> Thursday, promising to punish those involved.
>
> >>>>>> "I have seen the footage, and I find the behaviour depicted in it
> >>>>>> utterly deplorable," Panetta said in a statement, saying he had
> >>>>>> ordered the Marine Corps and the commander of US and Nato troops in
> >>>>>> Afghanistan to investigate the incident. "Those found to have
> >>>>>> engaged in such conduct will be held accountable to the fullest
> >>>>>> extent."
>
> >>>>>> The Pentaton said it had no information so far that casts doubt on
> >>>>>> the authenticity of the video. "We don't have any indication that
> >>>>>> it's not authentic," spokesman Captain John Kirby said. "It
> >>>>>> certainly appears to us to be what it appears to be to you guys...
> >>>>>> troops urinating on corpses. But there's an investigation process
> >>>>>> ongoing. We need to let that work its way through to determine all
> >>>>>> the facts of the case."
>
> >>>>>> A leading negotiator in Karzai's peace council, Arsala Rahmani,
> >>>>>> said that the film of the four marines laughing and making snide
> >>>>>> comments as they urinate on the bloodied corpses will have a "very,
> >>>>>> very bad impact on peace efforts".
>
> >>>>>> "Looking at such action, the Taliban can easily recruit young
> >>>>>> people and tell them that their country has been attacked by
> >>>>>> Christians and Jews and they must defend it," he said.
>
> >>>>>> But the Taliban, while criticising the actions of the marines as
> >>>>>> "shameful", said the latest revelations of abuse by US forces will
> >>>>>> not block attempts to get talks started to bring an end to the
> >>>>>> Afghan conflict.
>
> >>>>>> In the graphic video, a soldier films four other marines as they
> >>>>>> take out their penises and urinate on three bloodied corpses. They
> >>>>>> sigh with relief, laugh and make comments including "have a great
> >>>>>> day, buddy" and "golden, like a shower".
>
> >>>>>> The soldiers in the video appear to be members of Scout Sniper Team
> >>>>>> 4, a US marines unit that served in Afghanistan as recently as last
> >>>>>> year.
>
> >>>>>> It is not clear who the dead Afghans are. They are possibly Taliban
> >>>>>> fighters, but their corpses are not shown with weapons.
>
> >>>>>> Karzai said in a statement that he was "deeply disturbed by a video
> >>>>>> that shows American soldiers desecrating dead bodies of three
> >>>>>> Afghans".
>
> >>>>>> "This act by American soldiers is completely inhumane and
> >>>>>> condemnable in the strongest possible terms. We expressly ask the
> >>>>>> US government to urgently investigate the video and apply the most
> >>>>>> severe punishment to anyone found guilty in this crime," he said.
>
> >>>>>> The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said it
> >>>>>> "strongly condemns the actions depicted in the video, which appear
> >>>>>> to have been conducted by a small group of US individuals, who
> >>>>>> apparently are no longer serving in Afghanistan".
>
> >>>>>> "This disrespectful act is inexplicable and not in keeping with the
> >>>>>> high moral standards we expect of coalition forces," it said.
>
> >>>>>> The US military said it is "deeply troubled" by the film but added
> >>>>>> that its authenticity has yet to be confirmed. However, the
> >>>>>> condemnation from Isaf and the Afghan leadership suggested that
> >>>>>> there is little doubt the video is genuine.
>
> >>>>>> A Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousuf Ahmadi, told the BBC that it is
> >>>>>> not the first time Americans had carried out such a "wild action".
> >>>>>> But another different Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, said
> >>>>>> the video "is not a political process, so the video will not harm
> >>>>>> our talks and prisoner exchange because they are at the preliminary
> >>>>>> stage".
>
> >>>>>> The exposure of the video, widely viewed on the web, comes as the
> >>>>>> Obama administration attempts to fire up peace talks with the
> >>>>>> Taliban before the US begins to withdraw its forces from
> >>>>>> Afghanistan.
>
> >>>>>> Marc Grossman, the White House special representative, will meet
> >>>>>> Karzai in Kabul this weekend as well as officials in Turkey, Saudi
> >>>>>> Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
>
> >>>>>> Last week, the Taliban announced it would to set up a political
> >>>>>> office in Qatar which appears to be an important step toward
> >>>>>> negotiations. Washington is considering reciprocating by releasing
> >>>>>> several Taliban prisoners from the Guantanamo jail as a
> >>>>>> confidence-building measure.
>
> >>>>>> While the latest revelation of abuses does not appear likely to
> >>>>>> derail the latest peace effort it again raises questions about
> >>>>>> whether there is a culture of abuse in US forces serving in
> >>>>>> Afghanistan and Iraq.
>
> >>>>>> Last year, 11 soldiers were convicted over the murders of three
> >>>>>> Afghan civilians by a "kill squad" and the subsequent cover up. It
> >>>>>> was revealed that some of them collected body parts, including
> >>>>>> fingers and skull parts, as trophies, and posed for photographs
> >>>>>> over the corpses of their victims.
>
> >>>>>> This week, a US marine went on trial over the killing of 24 Iraqis,
> >>>>>> including women and children, in their homes. Staff Sergeant Frank
> >>>>>> Wuterich faces charges of manslaughter over the killings as he
> >>>>>> commanded a group of soldiers who burst into the victims' homes in
> >>>>>> Haditha in search of combatants. Seven other soldiers also charged
> >>>>>> were either acquitted or had the case against them dropped.
>
> >>>>>> The US military is also still grappling with the legacy of the
> >>>>>> abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and its role in
> >>>>>> the torture of alleged terrorists.
>
> >>>>> The same people who "deplore" the actions of four immature Marines,
> >>>>> have justified attacks on innocent civilians by terrorists around
> >>>>> the world. You will forgive me if your anger means little to me.
>
> >>>> So atrocity should be met with atrocity.
>
> >>> Once again, you really need to learn how to read.
>
> >>> You are among those who have justified the attacks of terrorists
> >>> around the world. Now you get angry over four men doing something
> >>> which causes no one any harm, but which is offensive to our western
> >>> sensibilities, including mine.
>
> >> You been taking Fake Bill lessons or something? I've NEVER justified
> >> terrorist attacks.
>
> > You haven't defended the actions of Hamas and such?
>
> > If that is the case, I apologize.
>
> I've never justified Hamas,

Sure you have.

but I'm sharply critical of people who use
> the ineffectual attacks to justify far greater Israeli atrocities.

Which you just did. Better luck lying next time.

>
> So: did you read up on the Sepoy Mutiny?
>
> --
> “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution
> inevitable” -JFK
>
> --
> “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution
> inevitable” -JFK

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