Asp Forum - Smart Debugger (Python

kraman

1/24/2008 8:00:00 PM

Hi All,

Please find the smart debugger for python. it is an enchanced
version of python pdb with
data rendering feature.

http://develsdb.googlecode.com/svn/tru...
http://develsdb.googlecode.com/svn/wiki/SmartDebuggerP...

hope you find this useful.

Regards,
Karthik

40 Answers

Norm Matloff

2/3/2008 8:56:00 PM

I have something of an obsession with debuggers, so I was glad to see
this posting. While we're on the subject, I might as well add my own
small contribution, which I call Xpdb.

Xpdb is available at http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff...
Quoting from the beginning of that page:

I tend to use GUI debugging tools with Python, but often find that
PDB is adequate or even superior. It loads instantly, doesn't take up
much real estate on the screen, and its ability to set up aliases/macros
is very valuable. (Note too Rocky Bernstein's new PYDB, at
http://sourceforge.net/project/show...
group_id=61395&package_id=175827.)

However, I missed having a window that displays my source code and my
current position in it, so I added such a window to PDB, using
curses, somewhat analogously to the CGDB variant of GDB (and the -tui
option in GDB). The result, Xpdb, is available at
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/Python/.... It is
nothing fancy at all, mainly just a source window capability added
to PDB (though with a couple of extra new features).

Norm Matloff

kraman

2/4/2008 5:28:00 PM

On Feb 3, 3:55 pm, Norm Matloff <matl...@laura.cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
> I have something of an obsession with debuggers, so I was glad to see
> this posting. While we're on the subject, I might as well add my own
> small contribution, which I call Xpdb.
>
> Xpdb is available athttp://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff...
> Quoting from the beginning of that page:
>
> I tend to use GUI debugging tools with Python, but often find that
> PDB is adequate or even superior. It loads instantly, doesn't take up
> much real estate on the screen, and its ability to set up aliases/macros
> is very valuable. (Note too Rocky Bernstein's new PYDB, at
> http://sourceforge.net/project/show...
> group_id=61395&package_id=175827.)
>
> However, I missed having a window that displays my source code and my
> current position in it, so I added such a window to PDB, using
> curses, somewhat analogously to the CGDB variant of GDB (and the -tui
> option in GDB). The result, Xpdb, is available at
> http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/Python/.... It is
> nothing fancy at all, mainly just a source window capability added
> to PDB (though with a couple of extra new features).
>
> Norm Matloff

It'll be helpful if you provide some screenshots on how this work

Steve

7/26/2014 10:11:00 PM

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:50:52 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
<Dev@null.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:26:30 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:18:46 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:07:31 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:04:24 -0500, Bud Frawley <bfrawl@aggregate.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <tb28t9lca1tsrr0qn84994bi7gk0oqkq8c@4ax.com>, trdell12345
>>>>>@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Violent Home Invaders Call Police to Complain About Victim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/175054/violent_home_invaders_ca...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two men called cops when another man began shooting at them. Fair
>>>>>> enough. Oh, but wait. There's a bit more to the story here. It turns
>>>>>> out the two men had allegedly broken into the third man's home and
>>>>>> began beating him on the head with a baseball bat. He eventually got
>>>>>> away, grabbed his gun, and fired two warning shots in the air. This is
>>>>>> when the alleged intruders actually called police.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air, sending
>>>>>> the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby residence and
>>>>>> called police to report that a guy was shooting at them. These are
>>>>>> some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals, for sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure what to make of this. Are these guys just extra super
>>>>>> duper stupid? Or are they so entitled that they think bashing a guy on
>>>>>> the head with a baseball bat is fine but getting shot at in
>>>>>> retaliation is not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Had to be brought up liberal. " are they so entitled that they think
>>>>>> bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but getting shot
>>>>>> at in retaliation is not?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>> Personally I'd not have aimed in the air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gun ownership might have saved this mans life.
>>>>>
>>>>>are you serious man!I guess you think kiling two black's is better then
>>>>>a white getting a headache!you don't kill some body with a baseball bat!
>>>>>a shot gun has only 1 purpose! to KILL!we need to get the gun's away
>>>>>from people who are trying to shoot people not deers! thank's for
>>>>>proveing your for baseball bat control! wjhat a moron!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Baseball bats can kill. So you are another one that thinks they were
>>>>entitled to attack and maybe kill and the guy was wrong to defend
>>>>himself.
>>>>
>>>>BTW they weren't black you are quite a racist aren't you.
>>>
>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his behavior?
>>>
>>
>>Well were these men in his house?
>
>So far we have no seen no reports of evidence of them being in his
>house or if they ever were.
>
>>were the injuries on the shooter consistent with story?
>
>You have seen evidence of such injuries?
>
>>I'd love to hear the 911 call.
>
>Are you sure about that?
>
>You seem to have little interest in the allegations
>against the shooter.
>
>>Why do you take the side of the alleged criminals?
>
>Unlike you I don't.
>All three men are alleged criminals.
>
>Now, back to the question you dodged...
>
>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his behavior?

Of course the bottom feeding lefties always take the side of the bad
guys...

Here's the rest of the story..

The two men, said to be homeless and, judging by their mug shots,
certainly showerless, reportedly barged into the man's home because
they believed he had complained about them to authorities.

Reportedly, they brought a baseball bat and several aggressive dogs
with them. They allegedly attacked the homeowner, causing damage to
his head, face, and back.

The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air, sending
the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby residence and
called police to report that a guy was shooting at them. These are
some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals, for sure.

I'm not sure what to make of this. Are these guys just extra super
duper stupid? Or are they so entitled that they think bashing a guy on
the head with a baseball bat is fine but getting shot at in
retaliation is not?

The pair were arrested and charged with assault. So far no charges
have been filed against the victim, who was brought to the hospital.

I'm still aghast that these dudes who allegedly assaulted this guy
were shocked when suddenly they were in danger! It really takes all
kinds to make a world -- but we could all do without this kind.
--

Should we feel bad for the leftists who, after seeing one of their
own become the President, discover that he is an incompetent,
nutless coward just like themselves?

Matt

7/26/2014 11:23:00 PM

Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote in
news:tn98t992fd7qulaouc5mb221p930g3b19p@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:50:52 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
> <Dev@null.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:26:30 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:18:46 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:07:31 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:04:24 -0500, Bud Frawley
>>>>><bfrawl@aggregate.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <tb28t9lca1tsrr0qn84994bi7gk0oqkq8c@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>trdell12345 @gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Violent Home Invaders Call Police to Complain About Victim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/175054/viol...
>>>>>>> nvaders_call_police?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two men called cops when another man began shooting at them.
>>>>>>> Fair enough. Oh, but wait. There's a bit more to the story here.
>>>>>>> It turns out the two men had allegedly broken into the third
>>>>>>> man's home and began beating him on the head with a baseball
>>>>>>> bat. He eventually got away, grabbed his gun, and fired two
>>>>>>> warning shots in the air. This is when the alleged intruders
>>>>>>> actually called police.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air,
>>>>>>> sending the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby
>>>>>>> residence and called police to report that a guy was shooting at
>>>>>>> them. These are some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals,
>>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to make of this. Are these guys just extra
>>>>>>> super duper stupid? Or are they so entitled that they think
>>>>>>> bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but
>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Had to be brought up liberal. " are they so entitled that they
>>>>>>> think bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but
>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>> Personally I'd not have aimed in the air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gun ownership might have saved this mans life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>are you serious man!I guess you think kiling two black's is better
>>>>>>then a white getting a headache!you don't kill some body with a
>>>>>>baseball bat! a shot gun has only 1 purpose! to KILL!we need to
>>>>>>get the gun's away from people who are trying to shoot people not
>>>>>>deers! thank's for proveing your for baseball bat control! wjhat a
>>>>>>moron!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Baseball bats can kill. So you are another one that thinks they
>>>>>were entitled to attack and maybe kill and the guy was wrong to
>>>>>defend himself.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW they weren't black you are quite a racist aren't you.
>>>>
>>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his
>>>>behavior?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well were these men in his house?
>>
>>So far we have no seen no reports of evidence of them being in his
>>house or if they ever were.
>>
>>>were the injuries on the shooter consistent with story?
>>
>>You have seen evidence of such injuries?
>>
>>>I'd love to hear the 911 call.
>>
>>Are you sure about that?
>>
>>You seem to have little interest in the allegations
>>against the shooter.
>>
>>>Why do you take the side of the alleged criminals?
>>
>>Unlike you I don't.
>>All three men are alleged criminals.
>>
>>Now, back to the question you dodged...
>>
>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his behavior?
>
>
> Of course the bottom feeding lefties always take the side of the bad
> guys...

I'm pretty sure I don't qualify as bottom feeding...

>
>
> Here's the rest of the story..
>
> The two men, said to be homeless and, judging by their mug shots,
> certainly showerless, reportedly barged into the man's home because
> they believed he had complained about them to authorities.

Reported them to the BLM for trespassing. To this point, we have facts.

>
> Reportedly, they brought a baseball bat and several aggressive dogs
> with them. They allegedly attacked the homeowner, causing damage to
> his head, face, and back.

We have the homeowner's word here. He WAS treated for wounds, and the
two were arrested, but we have no corroboration yet.

>
> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air, sending
> the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby residence and
> called police to report that a guy was shooting at them. These are
> some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals, for sure.

Again, we have some evidence to believe this. But no background. I think
they were all idiots.

What is unclear is whether there were other factors involved, such as
whether the two knew the homeowner (why did he report them?) and whether
there were other things going on (he said they used drugs, but no tox
report. why?)

Yes, I believe they are guilty of assault, I just don't think it is as
simple as it looks.

Matt

Steve

7/26/2014 11:41:00 PM

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 23:23:19 +0000 (UTC), Matt
<matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote:

>Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote in
>news:tn98t992fd7qulaouc5mb221p930g3b19p@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:50:52 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>> <Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:26:30 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:18:46 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:07:31 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:04:24 -0500, Bud Frawley
>>>>>><bfrawl@aggregate.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <tb28t9lca1tsrr0qn84994bi7gk0oqkq8c@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>trdell12345 @gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Violent Home Invaders Call Police to Complain About Victim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/175054/viol...
>>>>>>>> nvaders_call_police?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two men called cops when another man began shooting at them.
>>>>>>>> Fair enough. Oh, but wait. There's a bit more to the story here.
>>>>>>>> It turns out the two men had allegedly broken into the third
>>>>>>>> man's home and began beating him on the head with a baseball
>>>>>>>> bat. He eventually got away, grabbed his gun, and fired two
>>>>>>>> warning shots in the air. This is when the alleged intruders
>>>>>>>> actually called police.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air,
>>>>>>>> sending the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby
>>>>>>>> residence and called police to report that a guy was shooting at
>>>>>>>> them. These are some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals,
>>>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to make of this. Are these guys just extra
>>>>>>>> super duper stupid? Or are they so entitled that they think
>>>>>>>> bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but
>>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Had to be brought up liberal. " are they so entitled that they
>>>>>>>> think bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but
>>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>> Personally I'd not have aimed in the air.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gun ownership might have saved this mans life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>are you serious man!I guess you think kiling two black's is better
>>>>>>>then a white getting a headache!you don't kill some body with a
>>>>>>>baseball bat! a shot gun has only 1 purpose! to KILL!we need to
>>>>>>>get the gun's away from people who are trying to shoot people not
>>>>>>>deers! thank's for proveing your for baseball bat control! wjhat a
>>>>>>>moron!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Baseball bats can kill. So you are another one that thinks they
>>>>>>were entitled to attack and maybe kill and the guy was wrong to
>>>>>>defend himself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW they weren't black you are quite a racist aren't you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his
>>>>>behavior?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well were these men in his house?
>>>
>>>So far we have no seen no reports of evidence of them being in his
>>>house or if they ever were.
>>>
>>>>were the injuries on the shooter consistent with story?
>>>
>>>You have seen evidence of such injuries?
>>>
>>>>I'd love to hear the 911 call.
>>>
>>>Are you sure about that?
>>>
>>>You seem to have little interest in the allegations
>>>against the shooter.
>>>
>>>>Why do you take the side of the alleged criminals?
>>>
>>>Unlike you I don't.
>>>All three men are alleged criminals.
>>>
>>>Now, back to the question you dodged...
>>>
>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his behavior?
>>
>>
>> Of course the bottom feeding lefties always take the side of the bad
>> guys...
>
>I'm pretty sure I don't qualify as bottom feeding...
>
>>
>>
>> Here's the rest of the story..
>>
>> The two men, said to be homeless and, judging by their mug shots,
>> certainly showerless, reportedly barged into the man's home because
>> they believed he had complained about them to authorities.
>
>Reported them to the BLM for trespassing. To this point, we have facts.
>
>>
>> Reportedly, they brought a baseball bat and several aggressive dogs
>> with them. They allegedly attacked the homeowner, causing damage to
>> his head, face, and back.
>
>We have the homeowner's word here. He WAS treated for wounds, and the
>two were arrested, but we have no corroboration yet.
>
>>
>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air, sending
>> the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby residence and
>> called police to report that a guy was shooting at them. These are
>> some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals, for sure.
>
>Again, we have some evidence to believe this. But no background. I think
>they were all idiots.

Morons...

>What is unclear is whether there were other factors involved, such as
>whether the two knew the homeowner (why did he report them?) and whether
>there were other things going on (he said they used drugs, but no tox
>report. why?)
>
>Yes, I believe they are guilty of assault, I just don't think it is as
>simple as it looks.

Seldom is.

>Matt
--

Should we feel bad for the leftists who, after seeing one of their
own become the President, discover that he is an incompetent,
nutless coward just like themselves?

Matt

7/26/2014 11:48:00 PM

Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote in
news:2me8t9lopeerd7v2116f8051r1r0jg3njb@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 23:23:19 +0000 (UTC), Matt
> <matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>>Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote in
>>news:tn98t992fd7qulaouc5mb221p930g3b19p@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:50:52 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>> <Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:26:30 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:18:46 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:07:31 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:04:24 -0500, Bud Frawley
>>>>>>><bfrawl@aggregate.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <tb28t9lca1tsrr0qn84994bi7gk0oqkq8c@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>trdell12345 @gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Violent Home Invaders Call Police to Complain About Victim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/175054/viol...
>>>>>>>>> nvaders_call_police?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two men called cops when another man began shooting at them.
>>>>>>>>> Fair enough. Oh, but wait. There's a bit more to the story
here.
>>>>>>>>> It turns out the two men had allegedly broken into the third
>>>>>>>>> man's home and began beating him on the head with a baseball
>>>>>>>>> bat. He eventually got away, grabbed his gun, and fired two
>>>>>>>>> warning shots in the air. This is when the alleged intruders
>>>>>>>>> actually called police.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air,
>>>>>>>>> sending the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a
nearby
>>>>>>>>> residence and called police to report that a guy was shooting
at
>>>>>>>>> them. These are some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged
criminals,
>>>>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to make of this. Are these guys just extra
>>>>>>>>> super duper stupid? Or are they so entitled that they think
>>>>>>>>> bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but
>>>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Had to be brought up liberal. " are they so entitled that
they
>>>>>>>>> think bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine
but
>>>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>> Personally I'd not have aimed in the air.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gun ownership might have saved this mans life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>are you serious man!I guess you think kiling two black's is
better
>>>>>>>>then a white getting a headache!you don't kill some body with a
>>>>>>>>baseball bat! a shot gun has only 1 purpose! to KILL!we need to
>>>>>>>>get the gun's away from people who are trying to shoot people
not
>>>>>>>>deers! thank's for proveing your for baseball bat control! wjhat
a
>>>>>>>>moron!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Baseball bats can kill. So you are another one that thinks they
>>>>>>>were entitled to attack and maybe kill and the guy was wrong to
>>>>>>>defend himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW they weren't black you are quite a racist aren't you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his
>>>>>>behavior?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well were these men in his house?
>>>>
>>>>So far we have no seen no reports of evidence of them being in his
>>>>house or if they ever were.
>>>>
>>>>>were the injuries on the shooter consistent with story?
>>>>
>>>>You have seen evidence of such injuries?
>>>>
>>>>>I'd love to hear the 911 call.
>>>>
>>>>Are you sure about that?
>>>>
>>>>You seem to have little interest in the allegations
>>>>against the shooter.
>>>>
>>>>>Why do you take the side of the alleged criminals?
>>>>
>>>>Unlike you I don't.
>>>>All three men are alleged criminals.
>>>>
>>>>Now, back to the question you dodged...
>>>>
>>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his
behavior?
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course the bottom feeding lefties always take the side of the bad
>>> guys...
>>
>>I'm pretty sure I don't qualify as bottom feeding...
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's the rest of the story..
>>>
>>> The two men, said to be homeless and, judging by their mug shots,
>>> certainly showerless, reportedly barged into the man's home because
>>> they believed he had complained about them to authorities.
>>
>>Reported them to the BLM for trespassing. To this point, we have
facts.
>>
>>>
>>> Reportedly, they brought a baseball bat and several aggressive dogs
>>> with them. They allegedly attacked the homeowner, causing damage to
>>> his head, face, and back.
>>
>>We have the homeowner's word here. He WAS treated for wounds, and the
>>two were arrested, but we have no corroboration yet.
>>
>>>
>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air, sending
>>> the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby residence
and
>>> called police to report that a guy was shooting at them. These are
>>> some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals, for sure.
>>
>>Again, we have some evidence to believe this. But no background. I
think
>>they were all idiots.
>
> Morons...

I'll check their IQ and get back to you.

>
>>What is unclear is whether there were other factors involved, such as
>>whether the two knew the homeowner (why did he report them?) and
whether
>>there were other things going on (he said they used drugs, but no tox
>>report. why?)
>>
>>Yes, I believe they are guilty of assault, I just don't think it is as
>>simple as it looks.
>
> Seldom is.

No, but the news folk would have us believe it is. On both sides.

Matt

MattB .

7/27/2014 12:08:00 AM

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 18:11:02 -0400, Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:50:52 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:26:30 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:18:46 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:07:31 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:04:24 -0500, Bud Frawley <bfrawl@aggregate.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <tb28t9lca1tsrr0qn84994bi7gk0oqkq8c@4ax.com>, trdell12345
>>>>>>@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Violent Home Invaders Call Police to Complain About Victim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/175054/violent_home_invaders_ca...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two men called cops when another man began shooting at them. Fair
>>>>>>> enough. Oh, but wait. There's a bit more to the story here. It turns
>>>>>>> out the two men had allegedly broken into the third man's home and
>>>>>>> began beating him on the head with a baseball bat. He eventually got
>>>>>>> away, grabbed his gun, and fired two warning shots in the air. This is
>>>>>>> when the alleged intruders actually called police.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air, sending
>>>>>>> the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby residence and
>>>>>>> called police to report that a guy was shooting at them. These are
>>>>>>> some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals, for sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to make of this. Are these guys just extra super
>>>>>>> duper stupid? Or are they so entitled that they think bashing a guy on
>>>>>>> the head with a baseball bat is fine but getting shot at in
>>>>>>> retaliation is not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Had to be brought up liberal. " are they so entitled that they think
>>>>>>> bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but getting shot
>>>>>>> at in retaliation is not?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>> Personally I'd not have aimed in the air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gun ownership might have saved this mans life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>are you serious man!I guess you think kiling two black's is better then
>>>>>>a white getting a headache!you don't kill some body with a baseball bat!
>>>>>>a shot gun has only 1 purpose! to KILL!we need to get the gun's away
>>>>>>from people who are trying to shoot people not deers! thank's for
>>>>>>proveing your for baseball bat control! wjhat a moron!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Baseball bats can kill. So you are another one that thinks they were
>>>>>entitled to attack and maybe kill and the guy was wrong to defend
>>>>>himself.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW they weren't black you are quite a racist aren't you.
>>>>
>>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his behavior?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well were these men in his house?
>>
>>So far we have no seen no reports of evidence of them being in his
>>house or if they ever were.
>>
>>>were the injuries on the shooter consistent with story?
>>
>>You have seen evidence of such injuries?
>>
>>>I'd love to hear the 911 call.
>>
>>Are you sure about that?
>>
>>You seem to have little interest in the allegations
>>against the shooter.
>>
>>>Why do you take the side of the alleged criminals?
>>
>>Unlike you I don't.
>>All three men are alleged criminals.
>>
>>Now, back to the question you dodged...
>>
>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his behavior?
>
>
>Of course the bottom feeding lefties always take the side of the bad
>guys...

Yes they love murderers, Pedophiles and terrorist.

>
>
>Here's the rest of the story..
>
>The two men, said to be homeless and, judging by their mug shots,
>certainly showerless, reportedly barged into the man's home because
>they believed he had complained about them to authorities.
>
>Reportedly, they brought a baseball bat and several aggressive dogs
>with them. They allegedly attacked the homeowner, causing damage to
>his head, face, and back.
>
>The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air, sending
>the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby residence and
>called police to report that a guy was shooting at them. These are
>some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals, for sure.
>
>I'm not sure what to make of this. Are these guys just extra super
>duper stupid? Or are they so entitled that they think bashing a guy on
>the head with a baseball bat is fine but getting shot at in
>retaliation is not?
>
>The pair were arrested and charged with assault. So far no charges
>have been filed against the victim, who was brought to the hospital.
>
>I'm still aghast that these dudes who allegedly assaulted this guy
>were shocked when suddenly they were in danger! It really takes all
>kinds to make a world -- but we could all do without this kind.

MattB .

7/27/2014 12:16:00 AM

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:41:21 -0400, Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 23:23:19 +0000 (UTC), Matt
><matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>>Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote in
>>news:tn98t992fd7qulaouc5mb221p930g3b19p@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:50:52 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>> <Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:26:30 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:18:46 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:07:31 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:04:24 -0500, Bud Frawley
>>>>>>><bfrawl@aggregate.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <tb28t9lca1tsrr0qn84994bi7gk0oqkq8c@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>trdell12345 @gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Violent Home Invaders Call Police to Complain About Victim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/175054/viol...
>>>>>>>>> nvaders_call_police?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two men called cops when another man began shooting at them.
>>>>>>>>> Fair enough. Oh, but wait. There's a bit more to the story here.
>>>>>>>>> It turns out the two men had allegedly broken into the third
>>>>>>>>> man's home and began beating him on the head with a baseball
>>>>>>>>> bat. He eventually got away, grabbed his gun, and fired two
>>>>>>>>> warning shots in the air. This is when the alleged intruders
>>>>>>>>> actually called police.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air,
>>>>>>>>> sending the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby
>>>>>>>>> residence and called police to report that a guy was shooting at
>>>>>>>>> them. These are some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals,
>>>>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to make of this. Are these guys just extra
>>>>>>>>> super duper stupid? Or are they so entitled that they think
>>>>>>>>> bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but
>>>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Had to be brought up liberal. " are they so entitled that they
>>>>>>>>> think bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but
>>>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>> Personally I'd not have aimed in the air.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gun ownership might have saved this mans life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>are you serious man!I guess you think kiling two black's is better
>>>>>>>>then a white getting a headache!you don't kill some body with a
>>>>>>>>baseball bat! a shot gun has only 1 purpose! to KILL!we need to
>>>>>>>>get the gun's away from people who are trying to shoot people not
>>>>>>>>deers! thank's for proveing your for baseball bat control! wjhat a
>>>>>>>>moron!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Baseball bats can kill. So you are another one that thinks they
>>>>>>>were entitled to attack and maybe kill and the guy was wrong to
>>>>>>>defend himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW they weren't black you are quite a racist aren't you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his
>>>>>>behavior?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well were these men in his house?
>>>>
>>>>So far we have no seen no reports of evidence of them being in his
>>>>house or if they ever were.
>>>>
>>>>>were the injuries on the shooter consistent with story?
>>>>
>>>>You have seen evidence of such injuries?
>>>>
>>>>>I'd love to hear the 911 call.
>>>>
>>>>Are you sure about that?
>>>>
>>>>You seem to have little interest in the allegations
>>>>against the shooter.
>>>>
>>>>>Why do you take the side of the alleged criminals?
>>>>
>>>>Unlike you I don't.
>>>>All three men are alleged criminals.
>>>>
>>>>Now, back to the question you dodged...
>>>>
>>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his behavior?
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course the bottom feeding lefties always take the side of the bad
>>> guys...
>>
>>I'm pretty sure I don't qualify as bottom feeding...
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's the rest of the story..
>>>
>>> The two men, said to be homeless and, judging by their mug shots,
>>> certainly showerless, reportedly barged into the man's home because
>>> they believed he had complained about them to authorities.
>>
>>Reported them to the BLM for trespassing. To this point, we have facts.
>>
>>>
>>> Reportedly, they brought a baseball bat and several aggressive dogs
>>> with them. They allegedly attacked the homeowner, causing damage to
>>> his head, face, and back.
>>
>>We have the homeowner's word here. He WAS treated for wounds, and the
>>two were arrested, but we have no corroboration yet.
>>
>>>
>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air, sending
>>> the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby residence and
>>> called police to report that a guy was shooting at them. These are
>>> some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals, for sure.
>>
>>Again, we have some evidence to believe this. But no background. I think
>>they were all idiots.
>
>Morons...
>
>>What is unclear is whether there were other factors involved, such as
>>whether the two knew the homeowner (why did he report them?) and whether
>>there were other things going on (he said they used drugs, but no tox
>>report. why?)
>>
>>Yes, I believe they are guilty of assault, I just don't think it is as
>>simple as it looks.
>
>Seldom is.

Maybe. Time will tell but he did have the right to defend himself if
the condition mentioned are in fact true.

>
>>Matt

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7/27/2014 2:25:00 AM

GOP_Decline_and_Fall <Dev@null.net> wrote in news:4gl8t9t62aia7tmroj57igc4kodmvd7egs@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 18:25:53 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:

>> Point is unless I have access to Police data at this time neither of
>> us has a point.

> The question was why you automatically believed the shooter's story
> without a shred of evidence .

That's just friggin' hilarious, coming from one who believes anything she reads in rawstory.com,
alternet, or Daily Kos.

> You have answered it clearly if indirectly.

>> If the story is correct he had every right to defend
>> himself from these freaks.

> Of course, presumably that's why he told such a story to the officers
> coming out to investigate him.

>> They actually got off lightly I'd have not
>> taken a chance and aimed at them. If they broke into my house.

> All gun nuts long for the chance to legally murder neighbors, road
> accident victims seeking assistance or, in some tragic cases even
> their own children.

> They have even been known to set traps to entice their victims ,
> haven't they?

What is really sad is that you probably believe this.

Steve

7/27/2014 10:01:00 AM

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 17:15:58 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:41:21 -0400, Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 23:23:19 +0000 (UTC), Matt
>><matttelles@sprynet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote in
>>>news:tn98t992fd7qulaouc5mb221p930g3b19p@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:50:52 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>> <Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:26:30 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:18:46 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:07:31 -0700, MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:04:24 -0500, Bud Frawley
>>>>>>>><bfrawl@aggregate.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In article <tb28t9lca1tsrr0qn84994bi7gk0oqkq8c@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>>trdell12345 @gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Violent Home Invaders Call Police to Complain About Victim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/175054/viol...
>>>>>>>>>> nvaders_call_police?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Two men called cops when another man began shooting at them.
>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough. Oh, but wait. There's a bit more to the story here.
>>>>>>>>>> It turns out the two men had allegedly broken into the third
>>>>>>>>>> man's home and began beating him on the head with a baseball
>>>>>>>>>> bat. He eventually got away, grabbed his gun, and fired two
>>>>>>>>>> warning shots in the air. This is when the alleged intruders
>>>>>>>>>> actually called police.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air,
>>>>>>>>>> sending the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby
>>>>>>>>>> residence and called police to report that a guy was shooting at
>>>>>>>>>> them. These are some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals,
>>>>>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to make of this. Are these guys just extra
>>>>>>>>>> super duper stupid? Or are they so entitled that they think
>>>>>>>>>> bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but
>>>>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Had to be brought up liberal. " are they so entitled that they
>>>>>>>>>> think bashing a guy on the head with a baseball bat is fine but
>>>>>>>>>> getting shot at in retaliation is not?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>> Personally I'd not have aimed in the air.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gun ownership might have saved this mans life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>are you serious man!I guess you think kiling two black's is better
>>>>>>>>>then a white getting a headache!you don't kill some body with a
>>>>>>>>>baseball bat! a shot gun has only 1 purpose! to KILL!we need to
>>>>>>>>>get the gun's away from people who are trying to shoot people not
>>>>>>>>>deers! thank's for proveing your for baseball bat control! wjhat a
>>>>>>>>>moron!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Baseball bats can kill. So you are another one that thinks they
>>>>>>>>were entitled to attack and maybe kill and the guy was wrong to
>>>>>>>>defend himself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>BTW they weren't black you are quite a racist aren't you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>>>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his
>>>>>>>behavior?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well were these men in his house?
>>>>>
>>>>>So far we have no seen no reports of evidence of them being in his
>>>>>house or if they ever were.
>>>>>
>>>>>>were the injuries on the shooter consistent with story?
>>>>>
>>>>>You have seen evidence of such injuries?
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'd love to hear the 911 call.
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you sure about that?
>>>>>
>>>>>You seem to have little interest in the allegations
>>>>>against the shooter.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do you take the side of the alleged criminals?
>>>>>
>>>>>Unlike you I don't.
>>>>>All three men are alleged criminals.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, back to the question you dodged...
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you automatically believe the highly improbable story this
>>>>>shooter fed the police when they arrived to investigate his behavior?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course the bottom feeding lefties always take the side of the bad
>>>> guys...
>>>
>>>I'm pretty sure I don't qualify as bottom feeding...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the rest of the story..
>>>>
>>>> The two men, said to be homeless and, judging by their mug shots,
>>>> certainly showerless, reportedly barged into the man's home because
>>>> they believed he had complained about them to authorities.
>>>
>>>Reported them to the BLM for trespassing. To this point, we have facts.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reportedly, they brought a baseball bat and several aggressive dogs
>>>> with them. They allegedly attacked the homeowner, causing damage to
>>>> his head, face, and back.
>>>
>>>We have the homeowner's word here. He WAS treated for wounds, and the
>>>two were arrested, but we have no corroboration yet.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The victim managed to grab a shot gun and fire into the air, sending
>>>> the men fleeing. They then apparently ran into a nearby residence and
>>>> called police to report that a guy was shooting at them. These are
>>>> some ballsy, and pretty dumb, alleged criminals, for sure.
>>>
>>>Again, we have some evidence to believe this. But no background. I think
>>>they were all idiots.
>>
>>Morons...
>>
>>>What is unclear is whether there were other factors involved, such as
>>>whether the two knew the homeowner (why did he report them?) and whether
>>>there were other things going on (he said they used drugs, but no tox
>>>report. why?)
>>>
>>>Yes, I believe they are guilty of assault, I just don't think it is as
>>>simple as it looks.
>>
>>Seldom is.
>
>Maybe. Time will tell but he did have the right to defend himself if
>the condition mentioned are in fact true.

No argument there.... but there does seem to be more than a
coincidental relationship between the victim and the two guys with
bats... who appear to be less than righteous upstanding citizens.

>>>Matt
--

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own become the President, discover that he is an incompetent,
nutless coward just like themselves?

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