Herman Rubin
10/7/2013 7:24:00 PM
On 2013-10-05, Fred Goldstein <fg_es@ionaryQRM.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/4/2013 5:06 PM, Herman Rubin wrote:
>> On 2013-10-04, cindys <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 3, 2013 11:25:18 AM UTC-4, David Makowsky wrote:
> ...
>>>> What we need to do is to use (translations of) the sources used in
>> the Madrasas and other places the Imams spread their hatred and teach
>> violence.
>>> No, we don't. A madrassa is the Muslim-equivalent of a yeshiva. Or
>> maybe public school teachers should also use an Artscroll gemara to
>> teach children about aspects of halacha that they find unpalatable
>> and offensive. You never know when a yeshiva student is going to go
>> bezerk. (sarcasm)
>> Yeshiva students, except in Israel, are not likely to go berserk.
>> We have postings to show that that is often not the case in Israel.
>> That behavior is also not taught in yeshivas, but alas is is not
>> tauyght that they need to respect that other Jews may not baelieve
>> as they do. But, until they do something about it, all versions of
>> Islam about which I know make it their duty to do what they can to
>> make the whole world Muslim.
> Madrassa students are also not likely to go berserk. We hear about the
> few who do, but then we're not hearing about the millions of madrassa
> graduates who live peaceful lives. There are some madrassas run by
> al-Qaeda affiliates that teach violence, but they're not the majority.
> We just don't hear about them, because the non-violent ones aren't in
> the news.
This is not a case where the dangerous ones being a minority is
sufficient. It only takes a small percentage to provide a large
number of dangerous terrorists.
>> Christianity did not come out of this until after their wars due to
>> disagreement, and some sects still are there. Judaism was never in
>> a position to try it. But Islam claims it; it is up to their leaders
>> to abjure this claim, and I have not seen any sign of this.
> What Islam claims depends on which imam you ask. All forms of Islam
> start with the Quran, but they interpret it differently. They also have
> the hadiths, other sayings of The Prophet. Thousands of them. They all
> agree that some are authentic and some are not. But they don't agree on
> which are which. This leads to many variations in actual belief within
> the scope of Islam. A word which is a cognate of Shalom (S-L-M radix).
> It is not about violence; there are however some violent people who
> claim it as an excuse for their sins.
It is not only terrorist behavior toward infidels that go against
our laws; there are also honor killings.
So it is up to them to separate it out. Islamic religious warfare
in Iraq kills more than the Western armies by far. We know that
some madrassas in the US and elsewhere are turning out a fairly
large number of terrorists and others who break important laws.
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