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I want to know the standards document of the c++ language

Sreenivas Reddy Thatiparthy

9/25/2008 10:07:00 AM

I want to know the standards document of the c++ language .Where can
i get??
How different is c++ from vc++?
15 Answers

jt

9/25/2008 12:19:00 PM

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:07:25 -0700, Sreenivas wrote:

> I want to know the standards document of the c++ language

The current standard (1998) is known as "ISO/IEC 14882:1998". The most recent
revision was in 2003 and is known as "ISO/IEC 14882:2003". It is produced by
the The C++ Standards Committee:

http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/...

> Where can i get??

It is not free (nor cheap). You can buy it here:

http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_ics/catalogue_detail_ics.htm?csnu...

> How different is c++ from vc++?

C++ is a programming language. Visual C++ is a Microsoft software product
including a C++ compiler, development environment and a bunch of libraries.
It is intended for developing C++ programs for MS Windows.

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Victor Bazarov

9/25/2008 2:12:00 PM

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Lionel B wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:07:25 -0700, Sreenivas wrote:
>
>> I want to know the standards document of the c++ language
>
> The current standard (1998)

A nit-pick: the *current* standard *is* the 2003 version, i.e. the most
recent revision. The document dated 1998 has been *obsoleted*.

> is known as "ISO/IEC 14882:1998". The most recent
> revision was in 2003 and is known as "ISO/IEC 14882:2003". It is produced by
> the The C++ Standards Committee:
>
> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/...
>
>> Where can i get??
>
> It is not free (nor cheap).

"Cheap" is a relative term. $30 or so for a PDF document once every
five years is not really *that* expensive...

> You can buy it here:
>
> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_ics/catalogue_detail_ics.htm?csnu...

Actually, I find ANSI web store more accommodating in terms of prices.
I don't think they'd refuse to sell a copy to you. Try

http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=INCITS%2fISO%2fIEC+...

>
>> How different is c++ from vc++?
>
> C++ is a programming language. Visual C++ is a Microsoft software product
> including a C++ compiler, development environment and a bunch of libraries.
> It is intended for developing C++ programs for MS Windows.
>

There should also be a mention that the compiler included in VC++
package provides numerous extensions to the language. You don't have to
use them, but if you do, the language is not C++ any more. There is
also a new language they call "Managed C++" or "C++.NET", which has some
similarities with C++. Questions about Visual C++ should be posted in
the VC++ newsgroup: 'microsoft.public.vc.language'.

V
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jt

9/25/2008 3:01:00 PM

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:12:07 -0400, Victor Bazarov wrote:

> Lionel B wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:07:25 -0700, Sreenivas wrote:

[...]

>> The most recent
>> revision was in 2003 and is known as "ISO/IEC 14882:2003". It is
>> produced by the The C++ Standards Committee:
>>
>> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/...
>>
>>> Where can i get??
>>
>> It is not free (nor cheap).
>
> "Cheap" is a relative term. $30 or so for a PDF document once every
> five years is not really *that* expensive...

Wow. So how does the ISO store get off on selling it (the PDF) for
CHF 370, which works out as about $340 ?!

>> You can buy it here:
>>
>> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_ics/catalogue_detail_ics.htm?csnu...
>
> Actually, I find ANSI web store more accommodating in terms of prices.

You're not kidding!

> I don't think they'd refuse to sell a copy to you.

No sir, my money's as good as anyone's.

> Try
>
> http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=INCITS%2fISO%2fIEC+...
>
>>> How different is c++ from vc++?
>>
>> C++ is a programming language. Visual C++ is a Microsoft software
>> product including a C++ compiler, development environment and a bunch
>> of libraries. It is intended for developing C++ programs for MS
>> Windows.
>>
> There should also be a mention that the compiler included in VC++
> package provides numerous extensions to the language. You don't have to
> use them, but if you do, the language is not C++ any more.

I suspect that goes for many (most?) compilers - certainly does for g++.
A major gripe is that such compilers also seem to *default* to non-standards-
comliance and that it's generally a major pain to work out how to run them
in fully standards-compliant mode.

[...]

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Victor Bazarov

9/25/2008 4:05:00 PM

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Lionel B wrote:
> [..] So how does the ISO store get off on selling it (the PDF) for
> CHF 370, which works out as about $340 ?!

Not too often, I'm afraid, but when they do, they have a party :-)

> [..]

V
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red floyd

9/25/2008 4:45:00 PM

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On Sep 25, 8:01 am, Lionel B <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> Wow. So how does the ISO store get off on selling it (the PDF) for
> CHF 370, which works out as about $340 ?!
>
> >> You can buy it here:
>
> >>http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_ics/catalogu......
>
> > Actually, I find ANSI web store more accommodating in terms of prices.
>
> You're not kidding!
>
> > I don't think they'd refuse to sell a copy to you.
>
> No sir, my money's as good as anyone's.
>
> >  Try
>
> >http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=INCITS%2fISO.......
>


You can buy a dead tree version for about $75 from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Incorporating-Technical-Corrigendum-No-1/dp/...

[inflation... it was $65 when I bough it]

or $68 [member price] from B&N

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?EAN=...

Obnoxious User

9/25/2008 5:06:00 PM

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:45:23 -0700, red floyd wrote:

> On Sep 25, 8:01 am, Lionel B <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Wow. So how does the ISO store get off on selling it (the PDF) for CHF
>> 370, which works out as about $340 ?!
>>
>> >> You can buy it here:
>>
>> >>http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/cata...
catalogue_detail_i...
>>
>> > Actually, I find ANSI web store more accommodating in terms of
>> > prices.
>>
>> You're not kidding!
>>
>> > I don't think they'd refuse to sell a copy to you.
>>
>> No sir, my money's as good as anyone's.
>>
>> >  Try
>>
>> >http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=INCITS%2...
+148...
>>
>>
>
> You can buy a dead tree version for about $75 from Amazon.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Incorporating-Technical-Corrige...
dp/0470846747
>
> [inflation... it was $65 when I bough it]
>
> or $68 [member price] from B&N
>
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnin...
> EAN=0470846747

Or just $42 from http://www.bokus.com/b/04708....

Any lower bids? :)

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Victor Bazarov

9/25/2008 5:24:00 PM

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Obnoxious User wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:45:23 -0700, red floyd wrote:
> [..]
>> You can buy a dead tree version for about $75 from Amazon.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Incorporating-Technical-Corrige...
> dp/0470846747
>> [inflation... it was $65 when I bough it]
>>
>> or $68 [member price] from B&N
>>
>> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnin...
>> EAN=0470846747
>
> Or just $42 from http://www.bokus.com/b/04708....
>
> Any lower bids? :)

A stacks of blank paper (500 sheets) would cost about $5 in any office
supply store, and it's more useful than a dead tree version of the
Standard, AFAIC. With the electronic version you at least can search
for text, copy-paste from it, and it doesn't take any room on your shelf
or desk.

V
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James Kanze

9/25/2008 8:21:00 PM

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On Sep 25, 5:01 pm, Lionel B <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:12:07 -0400, Victor Bazarov wrote:
> > Lionel B wrote:
> >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:07:25 -0700, Sreenivas wrote:

> [...]

> >> The most recent revision was in 2003 and is known as
> >> "ISO/IEC 14882:2003". It is produced by the The C++
> >> Standards Committee:

> >>http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/...

> >>> Where can i get??

> >> It is not free (nor cheap).

> > "Cheap" is a relative term. $30 or so for a PDF document
> > once every five years is not really *that* expensive...

> Wow. So how does the ISO store get off on selling it (the PDF)
> for CHF 370, which works out as about $340 ?!

Technically, I don't think that they're supposed to sell it at
all (but I don't know all the details of the organization).
When I bought my first C standard (paper copy, many, many years
ago), they forwarded my order to AFNOR (because I had a French
address).

> >> You can buy it here:

> >>http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_ics/catalogu......

> > Actually, I find ANSI web store more accommodating in terms
> > of prices.

> You're not kidding!

> > I don't think they'd refuse to sell a copy to you.

> No sir, my money's as good as anyone's.

Technically, I'm almost certain that ANSI isn't supposed to sell
copies outside of the US. Practically, as long as the country
you actually live in doesn't complain...

> > Try

> >http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=INCITS%2fISO.......

> >>> How different is c++ from vc++?

> >> C++ is a programming language. Visual C++ is a Microsoft
> >> software product including a C++ compiler, development
> >> environment and a bunch of libraries. It is intended for
> >> developing C++ programs for MS Windows.

> > There should also be a mention that the compiler included in
> > VC++ package provides numerous extensions to the language.
> > You don't have to use them, but if you do, the language is
> > not C++ any more.

> I suspect that goes for many (most?) compilers - certainly
> does for g++. A major gripe is that such compilers also seem
> to *default* to non-standards- comliance and that it's
> generally a major pain to work out how to run them in fully
> standards-compliant mode.

It's more or less a problem with every compiler I know. On the
other hand, I think if you use the IDE, it's easy to
accidentally invoke the compiler as a C++CLI compiler, rather
than a C++ compiler with a few extensions or irregularities;
C++CLI is really a different language. (Of course, I can't say
for sure, as I've never tried to invoke the compiler from the
IDE. Invoked from the command line, it's no worse, and no
better, than any of the others.)

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James Kanze

9/25/2008 8:24:00 PM

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On Sep 25, 7:23 pm, Victor Bazarov <v.Abaza...@comAcast.net> wrote:

[...]
> A stacks of blank paper (500 sheets) would cost about $5 in
> any office supply store, and it's more useful than a dead tree
> version of the Standard, AFAIC. With the electronic version
> you at least can search for text, copy-paste from it, and it
> doesn't take any room on your shelf or desk.

On the other hand, you can't highlight it, or make marginal
notes or stick post-it notes in it. Both versions have their
uses.

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Pete Becker

9/25/2008 9:06:00 PM

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On 2008-09-25 16:23:35 -0400, James Kanze <james.kanze@gmail.com> said:

> On Sep 25, 7:23 pm, Victor Bazarov <v.Abaza...@comAcast.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>> A stacks of blank paper (500 sheets) would cost about $5 in
>> any office supply store, and it's more useful than a dead tree
>> version of the Standard, AFAIC. With the electronic version
>> you at least can search for text, copy-paste from it, and it
>> doesn't take any room on your shelf or desk.
>
> On the other hand, you can't highlight it, or make marginal
> notes or stick post-it notes in it. Both versions have their
> uses.

Worst of all, you can't put it on your stomach as a sleep aid.

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Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd. (www.versatilecoding.com) Author of "The
Standard C++ Library Extensions: a Tutorial and Reference
(www.petebecker.com/tr1book)