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3 Answers

W. Baker

10/1/2013 8:55:00 PM

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Giorgies E Kepipesiom <kepipesiom@hotmail.com> wrote:
: On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:20:21 AM UTC-4, Yussel wrote:
: > i thought you all would like to see this: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-cultu... j

: I am curious about the reports of 35 percent Reform and 18 percent
Conservative. What does this mean? Are all those "reform Jews" really
affiliated with organised reform Judaism, do they regularly attend reform
temple worship, do they do all the things reform Judaism says that good
reform Jews are supposed to do (whatever those things might be), and do
they refrain from doing things that reform judaism says that good reform
Jews are not allowed to do (whatever those things might be)? Or is reform
here merely a catch word for the halachicly unobservant with perhaps some
social attachment to other people affiliated with reform institutions, or
nominally Jewish secular institutions?

: And are all those "conservative Jews" really affiliated with organised
conservative Judaism, do they regularly attend conservative temple
worship, do they do all the things conservative Judaism says that good
conservative Jews are supposed to do (whatever those things might be), and
do they refrain from doing things that conservative judaism says that good
conservative Jews are not allowed to do (whatever those things might be)?
Or is conservative here merely a catch word for the halachicly lax, with
perhaps some social attachment to other people affiliated with
conservative institutions?

: GEK

I am neither a reform nor conservative Jew, although in the summer I
attend a conservative synagogue, which is what is available in the area in
which I spend my summers. I have takenanactive role in ti as did my
husband, who loearned houw to do Haftaras, lead Shabbat services andeven
be shaliach tsibbur for Shacharit on the Yomim Noraim, as well,of
couse=re, as a professonal trumpeter, blowing shofar. In many wys it was,
for hime his third musical career, started after retirement at age 67. I
was secretary of the congregation, ran food drives and full day
educational programs, edited alargely put together a chul cookbook(now out
of print) and still serve on the board. I have seen the congret=gation of
this summer sul change over the years, but I see assorted eole coming to
services almost weekly who never did before. I also know peole who I see
only three days a year, but for the last 20+ years who are dedicated to
Judaism adn the shul. Is it perfect, Lord no! Is it Jewish, Yes. is it
constantly changing? yes. It is no longer the enclave of many european
refugees who stil spoke German at Kidduses, not Yiddish and no more the
old guys I knew when we first joined who could lead any service although
no longer particularly observant. Their passing was why my husband make
the large effort to learnhow to do all this leading of services. He
learned largely from our Hazan at tehOrthodox shul we abelonged to(and I
still do) for 40 years who knoew what the summer shul was like, but ws
happy that it was getting served by a volunteer who gave them a great deal
fo traditional Yiddishkeit adn davvening. Being a conservative or Reform
Jew does not mply that there must be daily or weekly attendance, but it
means making a commitment to doing something actively Jewish religiously
in some way, largely by High oliday atendance and , perhaps attending
nteresting events or classes at teh synagogue or temple. Kosher would be
good, but respecting those who are kosher andnot bringing teif to the shul
is ometing important woo adnwho knows what your kids might do. Tey might
even find they like going to Orthodox shuls adn make a commitment that
lasts for over 40 years. Don't be so fast to seel the less than O Jews
short. They are all part of ur people andthere is much movement back
andforth. Beoen adn welcoming to all.

Wendy

JJ

10/1/2013 8:59:00 PM

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"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
news:l2fcid$qv4$1@reader1.panix.com...
> Giorgies E Kepipesiom <kepipesiom@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:20:21 AM UTC-4, Yussel wrote:
> : > i thought you all would like to see this:
> http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-cultu... j
>
> : I am curious about the reports of 35 percent Reform and 18 percent
> Conservative. What does this mean? Are all those "reform Jews" really
> affiliated with organised reform Judaism, do they regularly attend reform
> temple worship, do they do all the things reform Judaism says that good
> reform Jews are supposed to do (whatever those things might be), and do
> they refrain from doing things that reform judaism says that good reform
> Jews are not allowed to do (whatever those things might be)? Or is reform
> here merely a catch word for the halachicly unobservant with perhaps some
> social attachment to other people affiliated with reform institutions, or
> nominally Jewish secular institutions?
>
> : And are all those "conservative Jews" really affiliated with organised
> conservative Judaism, do they regularly attend conservative temple
> worship, do they do all the things conservative Judaism says that good
> conservative Jews are supposed to do (whatever those things might be), and
> do they refrain from doing things that conservative judaism says that good
> conservative Jews are not allowed to do (whatever those things might be)?
> Or is conservative here merely a catch word for the halachicly lax, with
> perhaps some social attachment to other people affiliated with
> conservative institutions?
>
> : GEK
>
> I am neither a reform nor conservative Jew, although in the summer I
> attend a conservative synagogue, which is what is available in the area in
> which I spend my summers. I have takenanactive role in ti as did my
> husband, who loearned houw to do Haftaras, lead Shabbat services andeven
> be shaliach tsibbur for Shacharit on the Yomim Noraim, as well,of
> couse=re, as a professonal trumpeter, blowing shofar. In many wys it was,
> for hime his third musical career, started after retirement at age 67. I
> was secretary of the congregation, ran food drives and full day
> educational programs, edited alargely put together a chul cookbook(now out
> of print) and still serve on the board. I have seen the congret=gation of
> this summer sul change over the years, but I see assorted eole coming to
> services almost weekly who never did before. I also know peole who I see
> only three days a year, but for the last 20+ years who are dedicated to
> Judaism adn the shul. Is it perfect, Lord no! Is it Jewish, Yes. is it
> constantly changing? yes. It is no longer the enclave of many european
> refugees who stil spoke German at Kidduses, not Yiddish and no more the
> old guys I knew when we first joined who could lead any service although
> no longer particularly observant. Their passing was why my husband make
> the large effort to learnhow to do all this leading of services. He
> learned largely from our Hazan at tehOrthodox shul we abelonged to(and I
> still do) for 40 years who knoew what the summer shul was like, but ws
> happy that it was getting served by a volunteer who gave them a great deal
> fo traditional Yiddishkeit adn davvening. Being a conservative or Reform
> Jew does not mply that there must be daily or weekly attendance, but it
> means making a commitment to doing something actively Jewish religiously
> in some way, largely by High oliday atendance and , perhaps attending
> nteresting events or classes at teh synagogue or temple. Kosher would be
> good, but respecting those who are kosher andnot bringing teif to the shul
> is ometing important woo adnwho knows what your kids might do. Tey might
> even find they like going to Orthodox shuls adn make a commitment that
> lasts for over 40 years. Don't be so fast to seel the less than O Jews
> short. They are all part of ur people andthere is much movement back
> andforth. Beoen adn welcoming to all.
>
> Wendy


Very well said, Wendy!

Jay

Giorgies E Kepipesiom

10/1/2013 9:26:00 PM

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On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 4:58:43 PM UTC-4, JJ wrote:
> Very well said, Wendy!

Well said indeed. But does not answer my question. Did the people who reported themselves as reform meet the criteria Wendy has described, or were they merely using "reform" as a catch-all phrase to mean halachically not observant. And same question regarding those who reported themselves as "conservative". Wendy's little essay hits a cetain note of truth, but does not answer these questions. One thing I can guarantee: the number of American Jews who are reform in any meaningful way is nowhere near 35 percent.
GEK