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M`I'5`Per secution . ho w a nd wh y did it start?

vivfivm

1/1/2008 10:43:00 AM

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The harassment didn't start by itself, so someone must have been there. at
the outset to give it a firm push. and set the "animals" after me. It looks
as if I was set up. in June 1990, and the timing indicates someone from
university. was responsible.

>One thing which has been missing from. this discussion is this simple
>prognosis: that maybe he is. right and that, despite his admitted
>mental condition, there really. is a campaign against him organised by
>now-influential ex-students of. his university.

In May or June 1990, Alan Freeman on Radio 1 read out a letter from. someone
who. had known me for a few years, who wrote of the one who "wore out his
welcome with random precision" (from the Pink. Floyd song). Freeman went on
to say to the writer "that's a hell of a letter you wrote. there". The
indication is strongly that people I had parted. from soon before nursed a
grudge against me and were trying to cause trouble. for me.

The suggestion is that Freeman might have shown the letter. to other people,
and things could. have snowballed from there. Right from the start the real
source (security services presumed). didn't announce themselves as the
origin, but let the "talkers", the radio DJs, believe. that they were the
originators. Think about it; if you. announce, "we're MI5 and we have a
campaign against this bloke" then people might not go along. with it; but if
you say, "everyone else. is getting at this bloke because he 'deserves' it"
then people will. join in with fewer qualms.

>Why would "they" wish to. assassinate your character?

It's the classic case of hitting a cripple to prove you're. stronger. Why
would the security services expend hundreds of. thousands of pounds and more
than six years of manpower to try to. kill a British citizen? Because they
are motivated by people who. knew me at university and feel personal
animosity;. because they knew me to be emotionally weak, and it is in the
nature of bullies to. prey on those known to be weak; and because they can
rely on the complicity of the establishment,. which the security services
manipulate and derive funding from. This is England's. biggest humiliation
today, and the. British security services are intent on preventing their
humiliation becoming reality by. continuing their campaign of attempted
murder. to suppress the truth from becoming public.

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5 Answers

sheldonlg

3/22/2013 6:25:00 PM

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On 3/22/2013 1:32 PM, DoD wrote:
> On Mar 22, 7:32 am, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
>> On 3/21/2013 5:08 PM, DoD wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.gallup.com/poll/161450/democrats-republicans-dif......
>>
>>> I could be wrong, but I thought in the past, more Democrats than this
>>> was hard on Israel, if
>>> true, this is actually good news as more people find Israel
>>> favorable. I think Republicans have
>>> always hovered around 78-80.
>>
>> I am surprised it was as low as 60%.
>
> Why do you say that?

Maybe because of every single Democrat that I have ever met and spoken
with in my entire life, not a single one was pro-Palestinian. This
includes people from all religions and all areas. The only person (and
I think he was Republican) that was pro-Palestinian was a Kurdish immigrant.

--
Shelly

DoD

3/22/2013 6:38:00 PM

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On Mar 22, 1:25 pm, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
> On 3/22/2013 1:32 PM, DoD wrote:
>
> > On Mar 22, 7:32 am, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
> >> On 3/21/2013 5:08 PM, DoD wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.gallup.com/poll/161450/democrats-republicans-dif.......
>
> >>> I could be wrong, but I thought in the past, more Democrats than this
> >>> was hard on Israel, if
> >>> true, this is actually good news as more people find Israel
> >>> favorable.  I think Republicans have
> >>> always hovered around 78-80.
>
> >> I am surprised it was as low as 60%.
>
> > Why do you say that?
>
> Maybe because of every single Democrat that I have ever met and spoken
> with in my entire life, not a single one was pro-Palestinian.  This
> includes people from all religions and all areas.  The only person (and
> I think he was Republican) that was pro-Palestinian was a Kurdish immigrant.

Hmmmm.

Every leftie on unmoderated are not necessarily pro-Palestinian, but
certainly anti-Israel. I say
it that way because I don't think they care about the people as long
as they can stick it to the
Jews.

It surprises me that a Kurd was pro-PalArab. From what I have read,
the Kurds are generally
pro-Israel.

sheldonlg

3/22/2013 6:55:00 PM

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On 3/22/2013 2:38 PM, DoD wrote:
> On Mar 22, 1:25 pm, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
>> On 3/22/2013 1:32 PM, DoD wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 7:32 am, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
>>>> On 3/21/2013 5:08 PM, DoD wrote:
>>
>>>>> http://www.gallup.com/poll/161450/democrats-republicans-dif......
>>
>>>>> I could be wrong, but I thought in the past, more Democrats than this
>>>>> was hard on Israel, if
>>>>> true, this is actually good news as more people find Israel
>>>>> favorable. I think Republicans have
>>>>> always hovered around 78-80.
>>
>>>> I am surprised it was as low as 60%.
>>
>>> Why do you say that?
>>
>> Maybe because of every single Democrat that I have ever met and spoken
>> with in my entire life, not a single one was pro-Palestinian. This
>> includes people from all religions and all areas. The only person (and
>> I think he was Republican) that was pro-Palestinian was a Kurdish immigrant.
>
> Hmmmm.
>
> Every leftie on unmoderated are not necessarily pro-Palestinian, but
> certainly anti-Israel. I say
> it that way because I don't think they care about the people as long
> as they can stick it to the
> Jews.

"Unmoderated"??? You base your opinions on that cesspool? I am talking
about REAL LIFE. To be more specific, I have never met anyone who is
anti-Israel, even that Kurd. Oh, I forgot. There were some foreign
students from Sudan when I visited friends in Chicago in Dec. of 1963.
They were anti-Israel, but not anti-Semitic.

>
> It surprises me that a Kurd was pro-PalArab. From what I have read,
> the Kurds are generally
> pro-Israel.

His main beef was the West Bank, not Israel itself. He wanted a peace
worked out. In fact, he and I hashed one out that we both found
acceptable. It went something like this (and this was 10 years ago):

1 - Two states
2 - Border adjustments both ways.
3 - Israel keeps Jerusalem, but the road from the West Bank to their big
mosque there would be part of the Palestinian state along with that
structure and grounds.

He also bought into the "Israeli atrocities" myth in the Arab papers.

BTW, we worked together for quite a while and were good friends outside
of work until he and my elder son had a falling out (not over the middle
east). Since family comes first, I haven't spoken with him since.

--
Shelly

DoD

3/22/2013 7:19:00 PM

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On Mar 22, 1:54 pm, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
> On 3/22/2013 2:38 PM, DoD wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 22, 1:25 pm, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
> >> On 3/22/2013 1:32 PM, DoD wrote:
>
> >>> On Mar 22, 7:32 am, Shelly <sheldo...@thevillages.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 3/21/2013 5:08 PM, DoD wrote:
>
> >>>>>http://www.gallup.com/poll/161450/democrats-republicans-dif......
>
> >>>>> I could be wrong, but I thought in the past, more Democrats than this
> >>>>> was hard on Israel, if
> >>>>> true, this is actually good news as more people find Israel
> >>>>> favorable.  I think Republicans have
> >>>>> always hovered around 78-80.
>
> >>>> I am surprised it was as low as 60%.
>
> >>> Why do you say that?
>
> >> Maybe because of every single Democrat that I have ever met and spoken
> >> with in my entire life, not a single one was pro-Palestinian.  This
> >> includes people from all religions and all areas.  The only person (and
> >> I think he was Republican) that was pro-Palestinian was a Kurdish immigrant.
>
> > Hmmmm.
>
> > Every leftie on unmoderated are not necessarily pro-Palestinian, but
> > certainly anti-Israel. I say
> > it that way because I don't think they care about the people as long
> > as they can stick it to the
> > Jews.
>
> "Unmoderated"???  You base your opinions on that cesspool?  I am talking
> about REAL LIFE.  To be more specific, I have never met anyone who is
> anti-Israel, even that Kurd.  Oh, I forgot.  There were some foreign
> students from Sudan when I visited friends in Chicago in Dec. of 1963.
> They were anti-Israel, but not anti-Semitic.

Not just unmoderated, but people I meet, and of course other website
that
are staples of the left, e.g CommonDreams and what's the name of that
orange fascist rag, dailykos. Every time I turn around some leftie is
bashing
Israel. I see it on TV as well.


> > It surprises me that a Kurd was pro-PalArab.  From what I have read,
> > the Kurds are generally
> > pro-Israel.
>
> His main beef was the West Bank, not Israel itself.  He wanted a peace
> worked out.  In fact, he and I hashed one out that we both found
> acceptable.  It went something like this (and this was 10 years ago):

Ok. That makes more sense. Nothing wrong with wanting a JUST peace. It
just seems like nobody can agree upon what is just.

> 1 - Two states
> 2 - Border adjustments both ways.
> 3 - Israel keeps Jerusalem, but the road from the West Bank to their big
> mosque there would be part of the Palestinian state along with that
> structure and grounds.

I could go for that. Did you guys come up with a compromise on right
of return?

> He also bought into the "Israeli atrocities" myth in the Arab papers.
>
> BTW, we worked together for quite a while and were good friends outside
> of work until he and my elder son had a falling out (not over the middle
> east).  Since family comes first, I haven't spoken with him since.

No doubt.

sheldonlg

3/22/2013 7:53:00 PM

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On 3/22/2013 3:19 PM, DoD wrote:
> I could go for that. Did you guys come up with a compromise on right
> of return?

No right of return. Status quo.

--
Shelly