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Rails book wanted for non Ruby programmer

Aaron Gray

11/7/2008 2:57:00 PM

Hi,

I am very interested to see what Rails is all about, and am looking for a
good book that covers Rails well and possible has a reference for it too. I
do not know Ruby but am familular with Javascript and PHP.

Is there a good book for me ? I may also get a book on Ruby if really
recomended too.

Many thanks in advance,

Aaron
10 Answers

Hugh Sasse

11/7/2008 3:31:00 PM

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Aaron Gray wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am very interested to see what Rails is all about, and am looking for a
> good book that covers Rails well and possible has a reference for it too. I
> do not know Ruby but am familular with Javascript and PHP.

Searching www.amazon.co.uk for "rails php" (without the quotation
marks) turns up two books on rails for PHP users. I've not used
them so can't comment. Other online bookshops could be worth a look,
too.

HTH
Hugh

Aaron Gray

11/7/2008 3:36:00 PM

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"Hugh Sasse" <hgs@dmu.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:alpine.LFD.2.00.0811071528350.26471@trueman.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk...
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Aaron Gray wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am very interested to see what Rails is all about, and am looking for a
>> good book that covers Rails well and possible has a reference for it too.
>> I
>> do not know Ruby but am familular with Javascript and PHP.
>
> Searching www.amazon.co.uk for "rails php" (without the quotation
> marks) turns up two books on rails for PHP users. I've not used
> them so can't comment. Other online bookshops could be worth a look,
> too.

Yeah, I really would prefer a) a book that is not tainted by PHP references
(should have said) b) is recomended by a reader.

Thanks,

Aaron

Dan Webb

11/7/2008 3:54:00 PM

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What programming experience do you have?=20

Thanks,
Dan


-----Original Message-----
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To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: Rails book wanted for non Ruby programmer

"Hugh Sasse" <hgs@dmu.ac.uk> wrote in message=20
news:alpine.LFD.2.00.0811071528350.26471@trueman.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk...
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Aaron Gray wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am very interested to see what Rails is all about, and am looking
for a
>> good book that covers Rails well and possible has a reference for it
too.=20
>> I
>> do not know Ruby but am familular with Javascript and PHP.
>
> Searching www.amazon.co.uk for "rails php" (without the quotation
> marks) turns up two books on rails for PHP users. I've not used
> them so can't comment. Other online bookshops could be worth a look,
> too.

Yeah, I really would prefer a) a book that is not tainted by PHP
references=20
(should have said) b) is recomended by a reader.

Thanks,

Aaron

Michael Morin

11/7/2008 7:50:00 PM

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Aaron Gray wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am very interested to see what Rails is all about, and am looking for a
> good book that covers Rails well and possible has a reference for it too. I
> do not know Ruby but am familular with Javascript and PHP.
>
> Is there a good book for me ? I may also get a book on Ruby if really
> recomended too.
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>

This is probably a bad idea. Rails is written in Ruby. Rails uses many
features of the Ruby language. Rails cannot be used effectively without
knowing Ruby. Ruby is not just a scripting language used to control
what's going in, if you view it that way you're going to get yourself
into trouble.

I'd recommend picking up a book on Ruby and learning the language
independent of Rails first. You don't have to master it, just be sure
you know all the features and can write programs fairly well. Then move
on to Rails.

Rupert Voelcker

11/7/2008 8:19:00 PM

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2008/11/7 Aaron Gray <ang.usenet@gmail.com>:
> Yeah, I really would prefer a) a book that is not tainted by PHP references
> (should have said) b) is recomended by a reader.

I started off with the Pragmatic Programmers "Agile Web Development
with Rails". It goes through the building of a sample application and
has a pretty good reference section in it too. (I've not tried any
other rails starter books so can't offer any comparisons)

Although I do agree with Michael in that learning ruby is a good idea
first, if you have good programming experience and aren't wanting to
build a complex site to start off with then you can get away with not
worrying too much about learning ruby first. However, your code is
not likely to be particularly great - it's likely to be more like php
written in a ruby syntax rather than nicely honed ruby. If you're not
too concerned about this and happy to learn to improve your ruby as
you go along then I'd say dive in. But to understand what the
framework is doing or to write decent code for your app then learning
ruby itself is essential. Be prepared to have to do a major re-write
of any site you've developed pre-learning-ruby once you've started to
understand it better.

I (and I imagine many others) started by playing with rails, then fell
in love with ruby, then started on the path towards ruby
enlightenment.

Hope this helps

Rupert

Mike Stok

11/7/2008 8:42:00 PM

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David Black's "Ruby for Rails" is a good way for people developing
Rails apps to get a better understanding of Ruby the language.

Mike

--
Mike Stok <mike@stok.ca>
http://www.stok...
The "'Stok' disclaimers" apply.


On 7-Nov-08, at 15:18, "Rupert Voelcker" <rupert@rupespad.com> wrote:

> 2008/11/7 Aaron Gray <ang.usenet@gmail.com>:
>> Yeah, I really would prefer a) a book that is not tainted by PHP
>> references
>> (should have said) b) is recomended by a reader.
>
> I started off with the Pragmatic Programmers "Agile Web Development
> with Rails". It goes through the building of a sample application and
> has a pretty good reference section in it too. (I've not tried any
> other rails starter books so can't offer any comparisons)
>
> Although I do agree with Michael in that learning ruby is a good idea
> first, if you have good programming experience and aren't wanting to
> build a complex site to start off with then you can get away with not
> worrying too much about learning ruby first. However, your code is
> not likely to be particularly great - it's likely to be more like php
> written in a ruby syntax rather than nicely honed ruby. If you're not
> too concerned about this and happy to learn to improve your ruby as
> you go along then I'd say dive in. But to understand what the
> framework is doing or to write decent code for your app then learning
> ruby itself is essential. Be prepared to have to do a major re-write
> of any site you've developed pre-learning-ruby once you've started to
> understand it better.
>
> I (and I imagine many others) started by playing with rails, then fell
> in love with ruby, then started on the path towards ruby
> enlightenment.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Rupert
>
>

Michael Morin

11/9/2008 6:57:00 AM

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[Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

"Ruby for Rails" is horribly outdated and perhaps not the best approach to
the problem. He is working on a new book though.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Mike Stok <mike@stok.ca> wrote:

> David Black's "Ruby for Rails" is a good way for people developing Rails
> apps to get a better understanding of Ruby the language.
>
> Mike
>
> --
> Mike Stok <mike@stok.ca>
> http://www.stok... <http://www.stok.ca/%7...
> The "'Stok' disclaimers" apply.
>
>
>
> On 7-Nov-08, at 15:18, "Rupert Voelcker" <rupert@rupespad.com> wrote:
>
> 2008/11/7 Aaron Gray <ang.usenet@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Yeah, I really would prefer a) a book that is not tainted by PHP
>>> references
>>> (should have said) b) is recomended by a reader.
>>>
>>
>> I started off with the Pragmatic Programmers "Agile Web Development
>> with Rails". It goes through the building of a sample application and
>> has a pretty good reference section in it too. (I've not tried any
>> other rails starter books so can't offer any comparisons)
>>
>> Although I do agree with Michael in that learning ruby is a good idea
>> first, if you have good programming experience and aren't wanting to
>> build a complex site to start off with then you can get away with not
>> worrying too much about learning ruby first. However, your code is
>> not likely to be particularly great - it's likely to be more like php
>> written in a ruby syntax rather than nicely honed ruby. If you're not
>> too concerned about this and happy to learn to improve your ruby as
>> you go along then I'd say dive in. But to understand what the
>> framework is doing or to write decent code for your app then learning
>> ruby itself is essential. Be prepared to have to do a major re-write
>> of any site you've developed pre-learning-ruby once you've started to
>> understand it better.
>>
>> I (and I imagine many others) started by playing with rails, then fell
>> in love with ruby, then started on the path towards ruby
>> enlightenment.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Rupert
>>
>>
>>
>

John Goetz

11/9/2008 11:32:00 PM

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Aaron Gray wrote:
> Is there a good book for me ? I may also get a book on Ruby if really
> recomended too.

Along with Rupert I also recommend The Pragmatic Programmers Agile Web
Development with Rails, but watch your editions. The Third edition, not
yet published, is for Rails 2.0*. As far as I know, this will be the
first Rails 2.0 book available.
This book gives you enough Ruby to make Rails work, and if you already
have some Java and PHP and access to Google you should do fine.


*I got a PDF of the beta release when I pre-purchased the book from the
Pragmatic website http://www.pr....
--
Posted via http://www.ruby-....

Yaser Sulaiman

11/11/2008 8:57:00 AM

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[Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:31 AM, John Goetz <goetz.john@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aaron Gray wrote:
> > Is there a good book for me ? I may also get a book on Ruby if really
> > recomended too.
>
> Along with Rupert I also recommend The Pragmatic Programmers Agile Web
> Development with Rails, but watch your editions. The Third edition, not
> yet published, is for Rails 2.0*. As far as I know, this will be the
> first Rails 2.0 book available.

SitePoint's Simply Rails 2 is available and it uses Rails 2. It is the book
I'm using to learn RoR.

>
> This book gives you enough Ruby to make Rails work, and if you already
> have some Java and PHP and access to Google you should do fine.
>
>
> *I got a PDF of the beta release when I pre-purchased the book from the
> Pragmatic website http://www.pr....
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-....
>
>

Harry

1/8/2011 5:52:00 PM

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On Jan 8, 11:29 am, <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yo vengo diciendo: LO MAS IMPORTANTE ES LO QUE NO DICEN -  desde hace años.
>
> T.Schmidt
>


mas o menos lo que dice Zack De la Rocha, de Rage Against the Machine,
cuando dijo " They don't have to burn the books, they just remove'em,
while arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells.




> "Harry" <hgar1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:63370fb9-4868-4570-8483-60a6c0bd4e66@v17g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 10:54 am, <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Este discurso es muy viejo, pero sigue siendo valido. Parece que nadie lo
> > entiende.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smed...
>
> > T.Schmidt
> > P.S. Videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q...
>
> Butler fue uno de las Marines mas valiente, y obediente que ha
> existido. El, Chesty Puller y Carlos Hathcock los mas destacados ha
> implementar el "dollar diplomacy". Butler y Puller combatieron en
> Nicaragua y Haiti. Lastima que Butler logro arrepentirese despues de
> su carrera como infante.
>
> Creo que todo muchacho en que quisiera entrar a las fuerzas armadas
> estado unidenses deberia leer ese libro. Ironicamente, War is a Racket
> lo sacaron de las bibliotecas escolares y a Butler lo sacaron de los
> libros de historia en las escuelas.