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bde

2/19/2014 4:00:00 AM

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In article <3a24cd59-7a8b-48fb-9d5c-90a7b6037f8f@googlegroups.com>,
Will in New Haven <willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:54:25 AM UTC-5, france...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 04:59:00 UTC, Tom wrote:
>>
>> > Grand National Teams first qualifying session NS vulnerable E deals:
>W N E S 3D 3S 5D ? You hold QTxxx xx JTx KJx What do you bid? --- This
>email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus
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>>
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>>
>>

I doubt that Antivirus protection was active throughout. It didn't even
prevent gurgling of the formatting.

>> I would pass, with the partnership understanding that if partner has
>anything extra he will double, which isn't really for penalties but just
>says he thinks it is our hand.
>
>How much extra does he need? He made an overcall at the three level.

Not much. Enough to have a chance of making 5S when you bid it and
of beating 5DX when you pass. Maybe AKxxx AKx - xxxxx, which probably
doesn't make 5S.

Your hand has 9 losers. 8 counting the long spade, but then the Q of
spades should be devalued if you also look at the HCP. It is a sound
raise of 1S to 2S, but tactical considerations and the law of total
tricks say to raise higher. 4S would be too high at matchpoints. Even
3S may be too high. I believe the correct treatment is a preemptive
raise of 1S to 3S.

The overcall at the 3 level doesn't show much more than a sound opening
of 1S. Here we "know" that the hands fit well since partner is "marked"
with a void in diamonds. But maybe 3D and/or 5D was a psyche, and the
diamond fit is 5-2 or 7-0, so partner actually has xxx of diamonds
(say AKxxx AQx xxx Ax). Partner is looking at his void if he has it,
and will rarely pass 5D if he has it. If he doesn't have a void, then
prospects for 5S are not so good. In fact, I have a problem if he doubles
5D. Then he is more likely to have a singleton and passing the double
might be right. Say facing AJxxx AQJ x Axxx. (If you doubled instead
of bidding 3S on these hands, then you lose more over 5D.)

>Over that I will bid 5S. If partner passes out 5D we are very unlikely
>to have making our way.

How about playing your pass of 5D as forcing, so that partner never
passes out 5D? This loses mainly when the opponents have game in
diamonds and bid it and your takeout of it goes down too many. But
the opponents will rarely have the hand for making 5D and won't always
know when they have it. If they bid 5D blindly or whenever they have
no cards and random shape, then they will just lose in the usual case
where you are endplayed into doubling it and this is right. The forcing
pass makes it easy for you to get this and all other 5 level decisions
right. On this hand you would like to be playing inverted doubles so
that you can double meaning that you want to bid 5S but are not sure
of it; direct 5S whould show a better hand (at least the A of clubs
instead of the J.

>I guess we are timid about overcalls at that level but my partner will
>_often_ have nothing extra and 5S will still have a good chance, not to
>mention the times 5D will make.

If 3S is sound than double of 5D is sounder (or it is no sounder since
forcing passes are sounder if 3S is sound, so you are playing them).
5S won't have a good chance if 3S can and does have just the same
values as a 1S opening. Then your hand is the type that often can't
even make 3S. Give partner Axxxx KQx x Qxxx. The hands fit well, so
3S usually makes. I'm more worried that 5D will make. If partner has
that garbage, then 5D will sometimes make (when the defense has the A
of hearts over the KQ, and a club singleton or spade void, or when you
misdefend by not setting up your club trick early).

>> I think I need more for 5S. I would like to bid it as a possible save,
>but I think partner is entitled to raise.
>>
>> My second choice after pass is to double, showing random high cards.
>
>Five-card support isn't random high cards.

It is equivalent here. Partner won't pass with the void diamond that you
you expect. If he has a singleton, you hope that he only bids if 5 or
6S is easy. If he has 2 or more, then you hope he passes unless 6 or 7NT
is cold (but this is impossible 3S was limited and you don't psyche it).
Partner can have even more than 3 diamonds. This happens when 3D was
a better psyche, say a void, and the raise was on 4. Then diamonds is
your 6-3 side-suit fit :-).

LOTT says that even a penalty double by you is correct, except at this
vulnerability and/or at imps. You are looking at 3 diamonds, so that
they have at most 10. We seem to have a 10 card spade fit (often 11).
So the total tricks is about 20, and both 5-level contracts will both
be down and the higher one shouldn't be bid. LOTT overestimates at
the 5 level unless there are voids around, so the total tricks is a
bit less than 20. Partner's void in diamonds is likely but not certain.
You have defensive wastage, so total tricks are a bit lower still.
But vulnerable at imps is a special case, so 5S should be bid if the
total tricks are only 20. The hands where total trumps is actually
less than 20 can only be determined cooperatively using forcing passes
and takeout doubles. Both work well here by getting partner to take
out 5D(possibly doubled) if and only if he has a void diamond or a
singleton diamond and extra shape elsewhere.

Bruce

Barry Margolin

2/19/2014 3:46:00 PM

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In article <le1a7r$5qq$1@dont-email.me>,
bde@besplex.bde.org (Bruce Evans) wrote:

> In article <3a24cd59-7a8b-48fb-9d5c-90a7b6037f8f@googlegroups.com>,
> Will in New Haven <willreich_77@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:54:25 AM UTC-5, france...@googlemail.com
> >wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 04:59:00 UTC, Tom wrote:
> >>
> >> > Grand National Teams first qualifying session NS vulnerable E deals:
> >W N E S 3D 3S 5D ? You hold QTxxx xx JTx KJx What do you bid? --- This
> >email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus
> >protection is active. http://www...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> I doubt that Antivirus protection was active throughout. It didn't even
> prevent gurgling of the formatting.

That gurgling was due to Frances using Google Groups to reply.

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Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA