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Wonderluder

10/10/2008 4:34:00 AM

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Hunter

4/19/2014 10:39:00 AM

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 19:35:49 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Ed Stasiak <a57160b@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
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>>>Adam H. Kerman
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>>>I think we're supposed to accept Oleg's explanation,
>>>which as a character he couldn't possibly know
>
>>Oleg is from a powerful family with all kinda government
>>connections, he heard about the real cause of the accident
>>from them.
>
>We're discussing a plot point from THE MOST RECENT EPISODE. Leave the
>fucking spoiler space intact and don't be an asshole about not quoting it.
>Also, knock off the fucking selective quoting. You can quote my whole
>goddam thought, you stupid prick.
>
>We all heard in dialogue where Oleg got his information from and that a
>Soviet agent in the US Navy revealed that the plans were false. The trouble
>is that he analyzed what Oleg was told, and concluded that the ship's captain
>took a shortcut, deploying the ship after three weeks instead of nine
>months' testing.
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Five months and it is plausible that the Americans did plant false
specs for the screw but didn't expect that the Russians would cut
corners so much. The plot is possibly based on the real life possible
plot of the CIA sabotaging the software for a pipeline control
software after the CIA learned that the KGB was stealing the Canadian
technology. This happened in 1982, the same year this fictional
adaptation takes place.
>
>That seemed way too clever for Oleg, whose knowledge of science and technology
>is limited to reading, never having worked in metallurgy or as a design
>engineer for the Russian Navy.
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He was repeating to Arkady what his father told him, and he was
recruited because he does understand technical matters, but one
doesn't have to have a degree in metallurgy to understand from his
father that the Russian Admiral over taxed the propeller and the brass
didn't go through the proper testing schedule.

------>Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907

Hunter

4/20/2014 9:50:00 AM

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 01:20:24 +0000, "Ed Stasiak"
<a57160b@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>> Adam H. Kerman
(snip)
>
>> We all heard in dialogue where Oleg got his information from and
>> that a Soviet agent in the US Navy revealed that the plans were false.
>> The trouble is that he analyzed what Oleg was told, and concluded
>> that the ship's captain took a shortcut
>
>No, Oleg was told the real reasons for the sub disaster by his high-
>ranking family (his dad, according to Barb May just below).
----
Oleg did say he got it from his father, translated to English in
glorious Soviet Hammer & Sickle yellow. :-)
>
>> That seemed way too clever for Oleg, whose knowledge of science
>> and technology is limited to reading
>
>We don't know what kinda education Oleg received but by his own
>admission, he's always been interested in technology and that is his
>specific mission as a KGB agent, so odds are he's pretty well versed
>in a variety of fields.
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Agreed. A simple working knowledge about some technical things,
perhaps at the level of a hobbyist would be enough. He doesn't have to
know the exact way a stealth plane is built to know that the fuselage
is built in such a way it reflects much less radar signals than a
normal plane but because the plane is built that way it is inherently
unstable in flight.
>
>Not that he needs to be a naval engineer to understand what happened
>to the sub, which even a layman (like the viewers watching the show)
>could easily understand.
----
Absolutely. There is nothing difficult to understand that the
propeller failed under extreme stress.

------>Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907

Adam H. Kerman

4/20/2014 2:27:00 PM

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Hunter <<buffhunter@my-deja.com> wrote:
>"Ed Stasiak" <a57160b@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

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>>>Adam H. Kerman
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>>>We all heard in dialogue where Oleg got his information from and
>>>that a Soviet agent in the US Navy revealed that the plans were false.
>>>The trouble is that he analyzed what Oleg was told, and concluded
>>>that the ship's captain took a shortcut

>>No, Oleg was told the real reasons for the sub disaster by his high-
>>ranking family (his dad, according to Barb May just below).

>Oleg did say he got it from his father, translated to English in
>glorious Soviet Hammer & Sickle yellow. :-)

>>>That seemed way too clever for Oleg, whose knowledge of science
>>>and technology is limited to reading

>>We don't know what kinda education Oleg received but by his own
>>admission, he's always been interested in technology and that is his
>>specific mission as a KGB agent, so odds are he's pretty well versed
>>in a variety of fields.

>Agreed. A simple working knowledge about some technical things,
>perhaps at the level of a hobbyist would be enough. He doesn't have to
>know the exact way a stealth plane is built to know that the fuselage
>is built in such a way it reflects much less radar signals than a
>normal plane but because the plane is built that way it is inherently
>unstable in flight.

>>Not that he needs to be a naval engineer to understand what happened
>>to the sub, which even a layman (like the viewers watching the show)
>>could easily understand.

>Absolutely. There is nothing difficult to understand that the
>propeller failed under extreme stress.

The propeller didn't just fail. It sheared a breach in the hull, causing
the sub to sink as it was designed to do. That's the bit Oleg seemed
to interpret, that the propeller's design created excess stress and
premature metal fatigue, that someone with mere book learning couldn't
interpret. He'd have had to work out the equations, which we didn't see
him doing.

Therefore, Oleg was used as a plot device to provide viewers the explanation
for off screen events that are important to the plot. Oleg's dialogue was
narration, not character development.

oscbenton1

4/20/2014 4:34:00 PM

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:26:43 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Hunter <<buffhunter@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>"Ed Stasiak" <a57160b@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
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>p
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>>>>Adam H. Kerman
>>(snip)
>
>>>>We all heard in dialogue where Oleg got his information from and
>>>>that a Soviet agent in the US Navy revealed that the plans were false.
>>>>The trouble is that he analyzed what Oleg was told, and concluded
>>>>that the ship's captain took a shortcut
>
>>>No, Oleg was told the real reasons for the sub disaster by his high-
>>>ranking family (his dad, according to Barb May just below).
>
>>Oleg did say he got it from his father, translated to English in
>>glorious Soviet Hammer & Sickle yellow. :-)
>
>>>>That seemed way too clever for Oleg, whose knowledge of science
>>>>and technology is limited to reading
>
>>>We don't know what kinda education Oleg received but by his own
>>>admission, he's always been interested in technology and that is his
>>>specific mission as a KGB agent, so odds are he's pretty well versed
>>>in a variety of fields.
>
>>Agreed. A simple working knowledge about some technical things,
>>perhaps at the level of a hobbyist would be enough. He doesn't have to
>>know the exact way a stealth plane is built to know that the fuselage
>>is built in such a way it reflects much less radar signals than a
>>normal plane but because the plane is built that way it is inherently
>>unstable in flight.
>
>>>Not that he needs to be a naval engineer to understand what happened
>>>to the sub, which even a layman (like the viewers watching the show)
>>>could easily understand.
>
>>Absolutely. There is nothing difficult to understand that the
>>propeller failed under extreme stress.
>
>The propeller didn't just fail. It sheared a breach in the hull, causing
>the sub to sink as it was designed to do. That's the bit Oleg seemed
>to interpret, that the propeller's design created excess stress and
>premature metal fatigue, that someone with mere book learning couldn't
>interpret. He'd have had to work out the equations, which we didn't see
>him doing.
>
>Therefore, Oleg was used as a plot device to provide viewers the explanation
>for off screen events that are important to the plot. Oleg's dialogue was
>narration, not character development.

I dunno. I thought it was pretty effective. It seems to a lynchpin
for any number of possible plot threads.

Ed Stasiak

4/21/2014 3:33:00 AM

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> Adam H. Kerman
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> He'd have had to work out the equations, which we didn't see him doing.

I don't even...