duke
12/19/2013 1:00:00 PM
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:52:31 -0800 (PST), gladys swager <gswager@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Thursday, December 19, 2013, Muhammad Ibrahim wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 17 December 2013, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Muhammad Ibrahim wrote:
>
>> > > > >Why Jesus had to Die? Is it really a two part question why Jesus had to die for the Christian and why he had to die for the Jews?
>
>> > >The most common view of Christianity that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the people
>
>> > > > Why? Are you suggesting that you are no longer a sinner?
>> > > >Are you suggesting that your sins are no longer considered your fault?
>
>> > I am not suggesting that I not a sinner, I would say I sin every day.
>> > It is not that I do not sin it is that how you expect to react in the face > > of that sin.
>> >In Islam we are expected to do the best as we can within our limitations,
>> >then ask God to forgives us for our shortcomings. It is not a case of
>> >someone else paying he price, if someone is paying the price of sin, then it > >can't be called forgiveness. You will find similar teaching in sections of
>> >the Bible: "For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly > >Father will also forgive you" (Mathew 6) "The Lord our God is merciful and
>> >forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him" (Daniel 9)
>> >"when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him,
>> >so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins" (Mark 11)
>> >"Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out..."
>> >(Acts 3) "forgive the sin of these people, just as you have pardoned them
>> >from the time they left Egypt until now. The LORD replied: I have forgiven
>> >them, as you asked" (Numbers 14)
>> >One is required to ask God directly in a sincere, honest manner,
>> >and God by his majesty can forgive, without payment, else it won't be
>> >forgiveness; which is equivalent to the analogy of the prodigal son.
>
>One issue between the Jewish/Christian faith and Islam - teachings of Muhammad is the source of the scriptures.
>Muhammad learnt the Biblical scriptures from the Jews and Christians
>living in Mecca, according to an Internet website.
And, gladys. I think he, as a Muslim, just showed greater understanding than
you can offer.
>About 75% of the Qu'ran is from the Old Testament,
>and about 7% is from the New Testament;
>from my own readings and scanning I believe that could be correct.
>It is important that Islamic leaders understand that truth.
You don't belong in this discussion, gladys.
duke, American-American
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