Jason
2/20/2012 7:18:00 AM
In article <7oj2k798hll0lm9f24d5llvek7ufiia2as@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 10:47:11 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> alt.talk.creationism:
>
> >In article <civ1k79ogit8epsrr7cu50gv6k9vc5o1hb@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:38:26 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >> alt.talk.creationism:
> >>
> >> >In article <oggvj71jnl4aujemsq4tj2lhci93u2j9hk@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> >> ><lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:12:28 -0800, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >> >> alt.talk.creationism:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >If Obama wins the election in 2012, will you still continue to
> >blame Bush2
> >> >> >> >for any increases in the federal deficit and the National Debt?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> It took the United States over a decade to recover from the Great
> >> >> >> Depression. Sure, we will recover a little faster this time,
but the GOP
> >> >> >> is doing everything it can to keep us from recovery. Will you
ever blame
> >> >> >> the Republicans for their desire to keep our economy from recovering?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What is the answer to my simple question?
> >> >>
> >> >> That you are an ignorant simpleton. It is not my fault that you are
> >> >> completely unwilling to learn anything about economics. You have chosen
> >> >> to be an ignorant fool. Do not whine to me about that. You can choose to
> >> >> stop being ignorant. You can choose to stop being a fool who believes
> >> >> every lie of the right-wing reactionaries. You can choose to stop
> >> >> listening to the immoral lies of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill
> >> >> O'Reilly. You can choose to learn about economics and government. You
> >> >> have chosen to be ignorant. You can choose to be informed.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the federal government balances the budget next year, it will plunge
> >> >> us back into a far more serious recession. Is that what you want?
> >> >
> >> >No--but we should not develop any new programs that are very expensive to
> >> >fund. For example, ObamaCare (ACA program) will cost about $437.5 billion
> >> >to fund for about 5 years. That's a rough estimate. That's a lot of money
> >> >to spend on an entirely new program. We could save that $437.5 billion by
> >> >cancelling the ACA program.
> >>
> >> Where is your estimate from?
> >>
> >> >RomneyCare cost the state of Massachusetts $1.75 billion in 2010. I
> >> >multiplied 1.75 by 50 (the number of American states) and the result was
> >> >$87.5 billion per year. I multiplied 87.5 by 5 years and the result was
> >> >$437.5 billion--to fund ObamaCare for about 5 years.
> >>
> >> State and federal costs are different.
> >>
> >> >The figure will probably be far higher than California and Texas have lots
> >> >more citizens than are in Massacusetts.
> >> >
> >> >As you know ObamaCare is based on the RomneyCare program so the figures
> >> >should be similar.
> >>
> >> There are some reforms in PPACA that Mass. could not do. It will save
> >> money.
> >
> >Since California and Texas each--have far more people than there are in
> >Massachusetts--the total costs will be more than the figure shown above.
> >The figure above was based on the costs in 2010. That means that inflation
> >has had an effect on those above figures. That is another reason, the
> >figures above are lower than the cost of ObamaCare will be.
>
> It is not my fault that you refuse to read anything that we present to
> you. It is not my fault that you are too ignorant to know what portion
> of the US Massachussetts's population represents. It is not my fault
> that you worship your own ignorance and the lies you tell because of
> your ignorance.
>
> Very simply, you are wrong. You are selectively ignoring data that you
> don't want to discuss. You are being a fool for the rich, a liar for
> oppressors.
>
> >My point is that ObamaCare will cost at least $437.5 billion every 5
> >years. The firgure for 10 years would be about $875 billion dollars. That
> >means that due to ObamaCare, we would probably be adding another almost
> >one trillion dollars to the national debt about every 10 to 12 years. Is
> >that what you want to happen? ObamaCare will NOT save money--instead it
> >will cost a trillion dollars every 10 to 12 years. It will only save money
> >for people that presently don't have health insurance. If you don't
> >believe me, learn what an expert has to say:
> >
> >"To start, the federal and state governments between 2010 and 2019, will
> >dish out a mere $6.8 billion. ?That the best determination of Richard S.
> >Foster, chief actuary for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS),
> >U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Those figures are tucked
> >away in tables accompanying lengthy reports. But they represent only a tip
> >of the potential mountain of outlays that lie ahead."
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. I have no reason to take
> you seriously when you are intentionally ignorant and foolishly jumping
> to conclusions because of that.
I provided you with a rough estimate of what the ObamaCare will cost. That
rough estimate is about a trillion dollars every 10 to 12 years.