Asp Forum - [ANN] meow 2.0.0 Released

Aaron Patterson

8/14/2008 4:23:00 AM

meow version 2.0.0 has been released!

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### 2.0.0

* 1 Major enhancement

* Run and stop methods have been removed (Thanks David Billskog!)

* 3 Bugfixes

* Updated Ruby/Cocoa syntax conventions
* Fixed a typo with "sticky" options
* Updated copyright

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9 Answers

unknown

12/10/2011 5:31:00 AM

On 12/9/2011 5:30 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
> "Barry Bruyea"<justforlaughs@still.com> wrote in message
> news:omq3e7dlrrmmjan8r9b14vdbm5ma0v9c9c@4ax.com...
>> The saving of the Euro seems to be primary with Sarkozy& Merkel. It
>> was the creation of Germany& France and they are desperately trying
>> to save it,
>
> Merkel is the primary holdup. Shes made it very clear she aint creating
> inflation and she made a bunch of rules that many dont like.
>
> Youre cluelesss.
>
>
> in spite of the fact their effort to save the Euro is
>> simply causing more disruption in not only Europe's economy, but the
>> rest of the world as well. In focusing on Greece, Italy, Portugal et
>> al they have also deflected any real highlighting of the massive debt
>> incurred by the 'parents' whose overspending to support their 'Social
>> Democracies' makes Greece and Italy look like pikers.
>
>
> Right, Greece and Italy are the problems with their citizens who refuse to
> work.
>
> But thats what Socialism does.
>
>
>
> From the days
>> of the Common Market, to the E.U. to the creation of a single
>> currency, France& Germany have lead the charge and now they want to
>> put more power into the hands of the parasitical bureaucrats in
>> Brussels (read Paris& Berlin). It was pure idiocy to put what are
>> nothing more than third world economies and disparate cultures into
>> the mix and expect anything more that what they now have.
>
>
> Well, you cant spend yourself into oblivion, and devalue the curency
> without everyone on board.
>
> Furthermore , Ireland is just fucked with too many taxes, too many people,
> and no jobs.
>
> The Netherlands might pull out of the Euro and go back to their own
> currency.
>
> Because they have been worse off since day 1.
>
> And the US aint bailing them.
>
>
>

The European Union was the wet dream of the multinational corporations
and was the ultimate goal of the 'globalization' of Europe. The dream
was to create one currency so that companies would not have to deal with
the conversion of currencies through out Europe.

The problem is that the economies of counties like Greece and Germany
are not the same. Countries use the values of their currencies to
regulate their economies as well as setting interest rates. By signing
on to the Euro, governments gave up those tools and their economies now
run unchecked. Money has flowed from the smaller economies to the larger
ones causing the budgets of smaller economies to become unbalanced. It
is uncontrolled Capitalism.

Greece is now run by an unelected banker and Italy is now run by an
unelected economist. The proposal Merkel is putting forward will require
governments to answer to the Central bank, not their citizens. Democracy
has been lost. The mention of a democratic referendum has caused outrage
from the world while countries relinquish their control of their
economies to the Central bank without a mention of a referendum.

The creation of the E.U. required a vote yet the current arrangement
will put the citizens of many countries into austerity measures without
the consent of their citizens. To join the E.U., Denmark even had 2
votes before the government got the results it wanted.

"In Denmark, two referendums had to be held before the treaty of
Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of
82.9% but approval of the treaty of Maastricht was denied by a slim
margin, with only 49.3% in favour of the treaty.

After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the
following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and
Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common
Defense. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout
of 85.5% of which the 56.77% voted in favour of the renegotiated treaty."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_Euro...

In all of these negotiations to bind governments under the rules of the
Central bank there has not even been a mention of holding a vote on the
matter.

The news tonight showed one of the Pentagon's generals who showed
concern about what is happening in Europe. There is mounting discontent
amongst the peoples of many European countries and the austerity
measures being introduced could cause civil unrest.

Globalization has been a dismal failure and it is becoming clear that it
has no chance of surviving in democratic countries.

These are dangerous times. World wars have been started over less.

BTW
Ireland is a Capitalist haven bragging that they have the lowest
corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. They are one of the
countries in trouble which dispels the notion that Socialism is somehow
to blame for the financial mess in Europe.

--- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to news@netfront.net ---

Gary Brittain

12/10/2011 9:27:00 AM

On Dec 10, 12:30 am, Tom P <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 12/9/2011 5:30 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Barry Bruyea"<justforlau...@still.com> wrote in message
> >news:omq3e7dlrrmmjan8r9b14vdbm5ma0v9c9c@4ax.com...
> >> The saving of the Euro seems to be primary with Sarkozy& Merkel. It
> >> was the creation of Germany& France and they are desperately trying
> >> to save it,
>
> > Merkel is the primary holdup. Shes made it very clear she aint creating
> > inflation and she made a bunch of rules that many dont like.
>
> > Youre cluelesss.
>
> > in spite of the fact their effort to save the Euro is
> >> simply causing more disruption in not only Europe's economy, but the
> >> rest of the world as well. In focusing on Greece, Italy, Portugal et
> >> al they have also deflected any real highlighting of the massive debt
> >> incurred by the 'parents' whose overspending to support their 'Social
> >> Democracies' makes Greece and Italy look like pikers.
>
> > Right, Greece and Italy are the problems with their citizens who refuse to
> > work.
>
> > But thats what Socialism does.
>
> > From the days
> >> of the Common Market, to the E.U. to the creation of a single
> >> currency, France& Germany have lead the charge and now they want to
> >> put more power into the hands of the parasitical bureaucrats in
> >> Brussels (read Paris& Berlin). It was pure idiocy to put what are
> >> nothing more than third world economies and disparate cultures into
> >> the mix and expect anything more that what they now have.
>
> > Well, you cant spend yourself into oblivion, and devalue the curency
> > without everyone on board.
>
> > Furthermore , Ireland is just fucked with too many taxes, too many people,
> > and no jobs.
>
> > The Netherlands might pull out of the Euro and go back to their own
> > currency.
>
> > Because they have been worse off since day 1.
>
> > And the US aint bailing them.
>
> The European Union was the wet dream of the multinational corporations
> and was the ultimate goal of the 'globalization' of Europe. The dream
> was to create one currency so that companies would not have to deal with
> the conversion of currencies through out Europe.
>
> The problem is that the economies of counties like Greece and Germany
> are not the same. Countries use the values of their currencies to
> regulate their economies as well as setting interest rates. By signing
> on to the Euro, governments gave up those tools and their economies now
> run unchecked. Money has flowed from the smaller economies to the larger
> ones causing the budgets of smaller economies to become unbalanced. It
> is uncontrolled Capitalism.
>
> Greece is now run by an unelected banker and Italy is now run by an
> unelected economist. The proposal Merkel is putting forward will require
> governments to answer to the Central bank, not their citizens. Democracy
> has been lost. The mention of a democratic referendum has caused outrage
> from the world while countries relinquish their control of their
> economies to the Central bank without a mention of a referendum.
>
> The creation of the E.U. required a vote yet the current arrangement
> will put the citizens of many countries into austerity measures without
> the consent of their citizens. To join the E.U., Denmark even had 2
> votes before the government got the results it wanted.
>
> "In Denmark, two referendums had to be held before the treaty of
> Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of
> 82.9% but approval of the treaty of Maastricht was denied by a slim
> margin, with only 49.3% in favour of the treaty.
>
> After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the
> following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and
> Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common
> Defense. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout
> of 85.5% of which the 56.77% voted in favour of the renegotiated treaty."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_Euro...
>
> In all of these negotiations to bind governments under the rules of the
> Central bank there has not even been a mention of holding a vote on the
> matter.
>
> The news tonight showed one of the Pentagon's generals who showed
> concern about what is happening in Europe. There is mounting discontent
> amongst the peoples of many European countries and the austerity
> measures being introduced could cause civil unrest.
>
> Globalization has been a dismal failure and it is becoming clear that it
> has no chance of surviving in democratic countries.
>
> These are dangerous times. World wars have been started over less.
>
> BTW
> Ireland is a Capitalist haven bragging that they have the lowest
> corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. They are one of the
> countries in trouble which dispels the notion that Socialism is somehow
> to blame for the financial mess in Europe.
>
> --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to n...@netfront.net ---

Frankly the fact that the many monies of the EU were unified wasn't a
bad idea.

However, being Canadian as you are Tom, unifiying our currency and our
banking regulations to the USA's in the past 10 years would have not
been to our best interests. I recall when we were in the Low
Canadian Dollar times versus the US green back, and some wished that
we were tied to it. I want our Bank of Canada to set interest rates
and do it from Ottawa. Can you imagine being in France, Germany or
Spain and having your financial system dictated by outsiders?

It would be as if we unified the Looney with the Greenback, and
Washington's Fed was deciding our fate three years ago.

That's when they fucked up in the USA.

Gary Brittain

12/10/2011 9:32:00 AM

On Dec 10, 4:27 am, Mike Banachek <caseyterry5...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 12:30 am, Tom P <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12/9/2011 5:30 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
>
> > > "Barry Bruyea"<justforlau...@still.com> wrote in message
> > >news:omq3e7dlrrmmjan8r9b14vdbm5ma0v9c9c@4ax.com...
> > >> The saving of the Euro seems to be primary with Sarkozy& Merkel. It
> > >> was the creation of Germany& France and they are desperately trying
> > >> to save it,
>
> > > Merkel is the primary holdup. Shes made it very clear she aint creating
> > > inflation and she made a bunch of rules that many dont like.
>
> > > Youre cluelesss.
>
> > > in spite of the fact their effort to save the Euro is
> > >> simply causing more disruption in not only Europe's economy, but the
> > >> rest of the world as well. In focusing on Greece, Italy, Portugal et
> > >> al they have also deflected any real highlighting of the massive debt
> > >> incurred by the 'parents' whose overspending to support their 'Social
> > >> Democracies' makes Greece and Italy look like pikers.
>
> > > Right, Greece and Italy are the problems with their citizens who refuse to
> > > work.
>
> > > But thats what Socialism does.
>
> > > From the days
> > >> of the Common Market, to the E.U. to the creation of a single
> > >> currency, France& Germany have lead the charge and now they want to
> > >> put more power into the hands of the parasitical bureaucrats in
> > >> Brussels (read Paris& Berlin). It was pure idiocy to put what are
> > >> nothing more than third world economies and disparate cultures into
> > >> the mix and expect anything more that what they now have.
>
> > > Well, you cant spend yourself into oblivion, and devalue the curency
> > > without everyone on board.
>
> > > Furthermore , Ireland is just fucked with too many taxes, too many people,
> > > and no jobs.
>
> > > The Netherlands might pull out of the Euro and go back to their own
> > > currency.
>
> > > Because they have been worse off since day 1.
>
> > > And the US aint bailing them.
>
> > The European Union was the wet dream of the multinational corporations
> > and was the ultimate goal of the 'globalization' of Europe. The dream
> > was to create one currency so that companies would not have to deal with
> > the conversion of currencies through out Europe.
>
> > The problem is that the economies of counties like Greece and Germany
> > are not the same. Countries use the values of their currencies to
> > regulate their economies as well as setting interest rates. By signing
> > on to the Euro, governments gave up those tools and their economies now
> > run unchecked. Money has flowed from the smaller economies to the larger
> > ones causing the budgets of smaller economies to become unbalanced. It
> > is uncontrolled Capitalism.
>
> > Greece is now run by an unelected banker and Italy is now run by an
> > unelected economist. The proposal Merkel is putting forward will require
> > governments to answer to the Central bank, not their citizens. Democracy
> > has been lost. The mention of a democratic referendum has caused outrage
> > from the world while countries relinquish their control of their
> > economies to the Central bank without a mention of a referendum.
>
> > The creation of the E.U. required a vote yet the current arrangement
> > will put the citizens of many countries into austerity measures without
> > the consent of their citizens. To join the E.U., Denmark even had 2
> > votes before the government got the results it wanted.
>
> > "In Denmark, two referendums had to be held before the treaty of
> > Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of
> > 82.9% but approval of the treaty of Maastricht was denied by a slim
> > margin, with only 49.3% in favour of the treaty.
>
> > After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the
> > following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and
> > Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common
> > Defense. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout
> > of 85.5% of which the 56.77% voted in favour of the renegotiated treaty.."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_Euro...
>
> > In all of these negotiations to bind governments under the rules of the
> > Central bank there has not even been a mention of holding a vote on the
> > matter.
>
> > The news tonight showed one of the Pentagon's generals who showed
> > concern about what is happening in Europe. There is mounting discontent
> > amongst the peoples of many European countries and the austerity
> > measures being introduced could cause civil unrest.
>
> > Globalization has been a dismal failure and it is becoming clear that it
> > has no chance of surviving in democratic countries.
>
> > These are dangerous times. World wars have been started over less.
>
> > BTW
> > Ireland is a Capitalist haven bragging that they have the lowest
> > corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. They are one of the
> > countries in trouble which dispels the notion that Socialism is somehow
> > to blame for the financial mess in Europe.
>
> > --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to n...@netfront.net ---
>
> Frankly the fact that the many monies of the EU were unified wasn't a
> bad idea.
>
> However, being Canadian as you are Tom, unifiying our currency and our
> banking regulations to the USA's in the past 10 years would have not
> been to our best interests. I recall when we were in the Low
> Canadian Dollar times versus the US green back, and some wished that
> we were tied to it. I want our Bank of Canada to set interest rates
> and do it from Ottawa. Can you imagine being in France, Germany or
> Spain and having your financial system dictated by outsiders?
>
> It would be as if we unified the Looney with the Greenback, and
> Washington's Fed was deciding our fate three years ago.
>
> That's when they fucked up in the USA.

There are not many Canadians who want to be Americans these days.

None4U

12/10/2011 11:45:00 AM

"Tom P" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jbuqps$23c5$1@adenine.netfront.net...
> On 12/9/2011 5:30 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
>> "Barry Bruyea"<justforlaughs@still.com> wrote in message
>> news:omq3e7dlrrmmjan8r9b14vdbm5ma0v9c9c@4ax.com...
>>> The saving of the Euro seems to be primary with Sarkozy& Merkel. It
>>> was the creation of Germany& France and they are desperately trying
>>> to save it,
>>
>> Merkel is the primary holdup. Shes made it very clear she aint creating
>> inflation and she made a bunch of rules that many dont like.
>>
>> Youre cluelesss.
>>
>>
>> in spite of the fact their effort to save the Euro is
>>> simply causing more disruption in not only Europe's economy, but the
>>> rest of the world as well. In focusing on Greece, Italy, Portugal et
>>> al they have also deflected any real highlighting of the massive debt
>>> incurred by the 'parents' whose overspending to support their 'Social
>>> Democracies' makes Greece and Italy look like pikers.
>>
>>
>> Right, Greece and Italy are the problems with their citizens who refuse
>> to
>> work.
>>
>> But thats what Socialism does.
>>
>>
>>
>> From the days
>>> of the Common Market, to the E.U. to the creation of a single
>>> currency, France& Germany have lead the charge and now they want to
>>> put more power into the hands of the parasitical bureaucrats in
>>> Brussels (read Paris& Berlin). It was pure idiocy to put what are
>>> nothing more than third world economies and disparate cultures into
>>> the mix and expect anything more that what they now have.
>>
>>
>> Well, you cant spend yourself into oblivion, and devalue the curency
>> without everyone on board.
>>
>> Furthermore , Ireland is just fucked with too many taxes, too many
>> people,
>> and no jobs.
>>
>> The Netherlands might pull out of the Euro and go back to their own
>> currency.
>>
>> Because they have been worse off since day 1.
>>
>> And the US aint bailing them.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> The European Union was the wet dream of the multinational corporations and
> was the ultimate goal of the 'globalization' of Europe. The dream was to
> create one currency so that companies would not have to deal with the
> conversion of currencies through out Europe.
>
> The problem is that the economies of counties like Greece and Germany are
> not the same. Countries use the values of their currencies to regulate
> their economies as well as setting interest rates. By signing on to the
> Euro, governments gave up those tools and their economies now run
> unchecked. Money has flowed from the smaller economies to the larger ones
> causing the budgets of smaller economies to become unbalanced. It is
> uncontrolled Capitalism.
>
> Greece is now run by an unelected banker and Italy is now run by an
> unelected economist. The proposal Merkel is putting forward will require
> governments to answer to the Central bank, not their citizens. Democracy
> has been lost. The mention of a democratic referendum has caused outrage
> from the world while countries relinquish their control of their economies
> to the Central bank without a mention of a referendum.
>
> The creation of the E.U. required a vote yet the current arrangement will
> put the citizens of many countries into austerity measures without the
> consent of their citizens. To join the E.U., Denmark even had 2 votes
> before the government got the results it wanted.
>
> "In Denmark, two referendums had to be held before the treaty of
> Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of
> 82.9% but approval of the treaty of Maastricht was denied by a slim
> margin, with only 49.3% in favour of the treaty.
>
> After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the
> following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary
> Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defense. A
> new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of
> which the 56.77% voted in favour of the renegotiated treaty."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_Euro...
>
> In all of these negotiations to bind governments under the rules of the
> Central bank there has not even been a mention of holding a vote on the
> matter.
>
> The news tonight showed one of the Pentagon's generals who showed concern
> about what is happening in Europe. There is mounting discontent amongst
> the peoples of many European countries and the austerity measures being
> introduced could cause civil unrest.
>
> Globalization has been a dismal failure and it is becoming clear that it
> has no chance of surviving in democratic countries.
>
> These are dangerous times. World wars have been started over less.
>
> BTW
> Ireland is a Capitalist haven bragging that they have the lowest corporate
> tax rate in the industrialized world. They are one of the countries in
> trouble which dispels the notion that Socialism is somehow to blame for
> the financial mess in Europe.
>

Your wrong. Ireland has very high total taxes. The highest personal
taxes anywhere. All of it Socialist.
Every aspect of your life is taxed in Ireland.

A grocey bag tax is 22 Cents.

The balance of income is taxed at 41%

The netherlands pays 1 week a month of wage taxes for grece and italy.

Socialism failed.

>
> --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to
> news@netfront.net ---

None4U

12/10/2011 12:02:00 PM

"Tom P" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jbuqps$23c5$1@adenine.netfront.net...
> On 12/9/2011 5:30 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
>> "Barry Bruyea"<justforlaughs@still.com> wrote in message
>> news:omq3e7dlrrmmjan8r9b14vdbm5ma0v9c9c@4ax.com...
>>> The saving of the Euro seems to be primary with Sarkozy& Merkel. It
>>> was the creation of Germany& France and they are desperately trying
>>> to save it,
>>
>> Merkel is the primary holdup. Shes made it very clear she aint creating
>> inflation and she made a bunch of rules that many dont like.
>>
>> Youre cluelesss.
>>
>>
>> in spite of the fact their effort to save the Euro is
>>> simply causing more disruption in not only Europe's economy, but the
>>> rest of the world as well. In focusing on Greece, Italy, Portugal et
>>> al they have also deflected any real highlighting of the massive debt
>>> incurred by the 'parents' whose overspending to support their 'Social
>>> Democracies' makes Greece and Italy look like pikers.
>>
>>
>> Right, Greece and Italy are the problems with their citizens who refuse
>> to
>> work.
>>
>> But thats what Socialism does.
>>
>>
>>
>> From the days
>>> of the Common Market, to the E.U. to the creation of a single
>>> currency, France& Germany have lead the charge and now they want to
>>> put more power into the hands of the parasitical bureaucrats in
>>> Brussels (read Paris& Berlin). It was pure idiocy to put what are
>>> nothing more than third world economies and disparate cultures into
>>> the mix and expect anything more that what they now have.
>>
>>
>> Well, you cant spend yourself into oblivion, and devalue the curency
>> without everyone on board.
>>
>> Furthermore , Ireland is just fucked with too many taxes, too many
>> people,
>> and no jobs.
>>
>> The Netherlands might pull out of the Euro and go back to their own
>> currency.
>>
>> Because they have been worse off since day 1.
>>
>> And the US aint bailing them.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> The European Union was the wet dream of the multinational corporations and
> was the ultimate goal of the 'globalization' of Europe. The dream was to
> create one currency so that companies would not have to deal with the
> conversion of currencies through out Europe.
>
> The problem is that the economies of counties like Greece and Germany are
> not the same. Countries use the values of their currencies to regulate
> their economies as well as setting interest rates. By signing on to the
> Euro, governments gave up those tools and their economies now run
> unchecked. Money has flowed from the smaller economies to the larger ones
> causing the budgets of smaller economies to become unbalanced. It is
> uncontrolled Capitalism.
>
> Greece is now run by an unelected banker and Italy is now run by an
> unelected economist. The proposal Merkel is putting forward will require
> governments to answer to the Central bank, not their citizens. Democracy
> has been lost. The mention of a democratic referendum has caused outrage
> from the world while countries relinquish their control of their economies
> to the Central bank without a mention of a referendum.
>
> The creation of the E.U. required a vote yet the current arrangement will
> put the citizens of many countries into austerity measures without the
> consent of their citizens. To join the E.U., Denmark even had 2 votes
> before the government got the results it wanted.
>
> "In Denmark, two referendums had to be held before the treaty of
> Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of
> 82.9% but approval of the treaty of Maastricht was denied by a slim
> margin, with only 49.3% in favour of the treaty.
>
> After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the
> following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary
> Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defense. A
> new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of
> which the 56.77% voted in favour of the renegotiated treaty."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_Euro...
>
> In all of these negotiations to bind governments under the rules of the
> Central bank there has not even been a mention of holding a vote on the
> matter.
>
> The news tonight showed one of the Pentagon's generals who showed concern
> about what is happening in Europe. There is mounting discontent amongst
> the peoples of many European countries and the austerity measures being
> introduced could cause civil unrest.
>
> Globalization has been a dismal failure and it is becoming clear that it
> has no chance of surviving in democratic countries.
>
> These are dangerous times. World wars have been started over less.
>
> BTW
> Ireland is a Capitalist haven bragging that they have the lowest corporate
> tax rate in the industrialized world. They are one of the countries in
> trouble which dispels the notion that Socialism is somehow to blame for
> the financial mess in Europe.
>

The leaked government papers from Germany show that we Irish are heading for
more and more and more, and even more taxation. A general VAT rate of 23%
will encourage not only cross-border trade, but will fuel a very healthy
growth in the already thriving black economy.

The crazy Irish taxes on home heating oil, making it some 20+% more
expensive than a few miles up the road in the north of Ireland, has prompted
me this winter to forgo on oil heating altogether, and instead go for the
dirtier, more carbon intensive but cheaper option of coal to heat my home.

1. Ireland has a HUGE ELEPHANTINE public service system. Paying for the
upkeep of this top-heavy monster places an unacceptable burden on taxes.
Ireland has a public service system which is:

(a) Highly inefficient - compared to the private sector.
(b) In places perhaps 50% overstaffed - compared to private enterprise, and
(c) Is overpaid by at least 25% compared to the private sector.
(d) Pays pensions which for the most part can only be dreamed of by the
private sector.

Essentially, the public have already cast their vote, with their feet, in
this respect - as many thousands travel to Northern Ireland and to other EU
countries for medical and dental treatment at half the Irish cost.

Carbon Tax

The government are going to add another chunk of carbon tax soon to coals
and oils - so stock up before the hit. It will be interesting to see if the
Eco Friendly fuels will track the coals in price - given that the wood based
fuels will NOT have a carbon tax added. But Ireland being the Rip-Off
Republic, I predict that the gougers will be in there like a flash taking
advantage.

End of rant -for now!!

None4U

12/10/2011 12:04:00 PM

"Mike Banachek" <caseyterry5959@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e5c10eff-a33e-4217-8da3-8ad6a68dbd18@o1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 10, 4:27 am, Mike Banachek <caseyterry5...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 12:30 am, Tom P <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12/9/2011 5:30 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
>
> > > "Barry Bruyea"<justforlau...@still.com> wrote in message
> > >news:omq3e7dlrrmmjan8r9b14vdbm5ma0v9c9c@4ax.com...
> > >> The saving of the Euro seems to be primary with Sarkozy& Merkel. It
> > >> was the creation of Germany& France and they are desperately trying
> > >> to save it,
>
> > > Merkel is the primary holdup. Shes made it very clear she aint
> > > creating
> > > inflation and she made a bunch of rules that many dont like.
>
> > > Youre cluelesss.
>
> > > in spite of the fact their effort to save the Euro is
> > >> simply causing more disruption in not only Europe's economy, but the
> > >> rest of the world as well. In focusing on Greece, Italy, Portugal et
> > >> al they have also deflected any real highlighting of the massive debt
> > >> incurred by the 'parents' whose overspending to support their 'Social
> > >> Democracies' makes Greece and Italy look like pikers.
>
> > > Right, Greece and Italy are the problems with their citizens who
> > > refuse to
> > > work.
>
> > > But thats what Socialism does.
>
> > > From the days
> > >> of the Common Market, to the E.U. to the creation of a single
> > >> currency, France& Germany have lead the charge and now they want to
> > >> put more power into the hands of the parasitical bureaucrats in
> > >> Brussels (read Paris& Berlin). It was pure idiocy to put what are
> > >> nothing more than third world economies and disparate cultures into
> > >> the mix and expect anything more that what they now have.
>
> > > Well, you cant spend yourself into oblivion, and devalue the curency
> > > without everyone on board.
>
> > > Furthermore , Ireland is just fucked with too many taxes, too many
> > > people,
> > > and no jobs.
>
> > > The Netherlands might pull out of the Euro and go back to their own
> > > currency.
>
> > > Because they have been worse off since day 1.
>
> > > And the US aint bailing them.
>
> > The European Union was the wet dream of the multinational corporations
> > and was the ultimate goal of the 'globalization' of Europe. The dream
> > was to create one currency so that companies would not have to deal with
> > the conversion of currencies through out Europe.
>
> > The problem is that the economies of counties like Greece and Germany
> > are not the same. Countries use the values of their currencies to
> > regulate their economies as well as setting interest rates. By signing
> > on to the Euro, governments gave up those tools and their economies now
> > run unchecked. Money has flowed from the smaller economies to the larger
> > ones causing the budgets of smaller economies to become unbalanced. It
> > is uncontrolled Capitalism.
>
> > Greece is now run by an unelected banker and Italy is now run by an
> > unelected economist. The proposal Merkel is putting forward will require
> > governments to answer to the Central bank, not their citizens. Democracy
> > has been lost. The mention of a democratic referendum has caused outrage
> > from the world while countries relinquish their control of their
> > economies to the Central bank without a mention of a referendum.
>
> > The creation of the E.U. required a vote yet the current arrangement
> > will put the citizens of many countries into austerity measures without
> > the consent of their citizens. To join the E.U., Denmark even had 2
> > votes before the government got the results it wanted.
>
> > "In Denmark, two referendums had to be held before the treaty of
> > Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of
> > 82.9% but approval of the treaty of Maastricht was denied by a slim
> > margin, with only 49.3% in favour of the treaty.
>
> > After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the
> > following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and
> > Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common
> > Defense. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout
> > of 85.5% of which the 56.77% voted in favour of the renegotiated
> > treaty."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_Euro...
>
> > In all of these negotiations to bind governments under the rules of the
> > Central bank there has not even been a mention of holding a vote on the
> > matter.
>
> > The news tonight showed one of the Pentagon's generals who showed
> > concern about what is happening in Europe. There is mounting discontent
> > amongst the peoples of many European countries and the austerity
> > measures being introduced could cause civil unrest.
>
> > Globalization has been a dismal failure and it is becoming clear that it
> > has no chance of surviving in democratic countries.
>
> > These are dangerous times. World wars have been started over less.
>
> > BTW
> > Ireland is a Capitalist haven bragging that they have the lowest
> > corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. They are one of the
> > countries in trouble which dispels the notion that Socialism is somehow
> > to blame for the financial mess in Europe.
>
> > --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to
> > n...@netfront.net ---
>
> Frankly the fact that the many monies of the EU were unified wasn't a
> bad idea.
>
> However, being Canadian as you are Tom, unifiying our currency and our
> banking regulations to the USA's in the past 10 years would have not
> been to our best interests. I recall when we were in the Low
> Canadian Dollar times versus the US green back, and some wished that
> we were tied to it. I want our Bank of Canada to set interest rates
> and do it from Ottawa. Can you imagine being in France, Germany or
> Spain and having your financial system dictated by outsiders?
>
> It would be as if we unified the Looney with the Greenback, and
> Washington's Fed was deciding our fate three years ago.
>
> That's when they fucked up in the USA.

There are not many Canadians who want to be Americans these days.

And not many Americans who want to be Canadians either.

unknown

12/10/2011 4:35:00 PM

On 12/10/2011 6:02 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
> "Tom P"<nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jbuqps$23c5$1@adenine.netfront.net...
>> On 12/9/2011 5:30 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
>>> "Barry Bruyea"<justforlaughs@still.com> wrote in message
>>> news:omq3e7dlrrmmjan8r9b14vdbm5ma0v9c9c@4ax.com...
>>>> The saving of the Euro seems to be primary with Sarkozy& Merkel. It
>>>> was the creation of Germany& France and they are desperately trying
>>>> to save it,
>>>
>>> Merkel is the primary holdup. Shes made it very clear she aint creating
>>> inflation and she made a bunch of rules that many dont like.
>>>
>>> Youre cluelesss.
>>>
>>>
>>> in spite of the fact their effort to save the Euro is
>>>> simply causing more disruption in not only Europe's economy, but the
>>>> rest of the world as well. In focusing on Greece, Italy, Portugal et
>>>> al they have also deflected any real highlighting of the massive debt
>>>> incurred by the 'parents' whose overspending to support their 'Social
>>>> Democracies' makes Greece and Italy look like pikers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right, Greece and Italy are the problems with their citizens who refuse
>>> to
>>> work.
>>>
>>> But thats what Socialism does.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From the days
>>>> of the Common Market, to the E.U. to the creation of a single
>>>> currency, France& Germany have lead the charge and now they want to
>>>> put more power into the hands of the parasitical bureaucrats in
>>>> Brussels (read Paris& Berlin). It was pure idiocy to put what are
>>>> nothing more than third world economies and disparate cultures into
>>>> the mix and expect anything more that what they now have.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, you cant spend yourself into oblivion, and devalue the curency
>>> without everyone on board.
>>>
>>> Furthermore , Ireland is just fucked with too many taxes, too many
>>> people,
>>> and no jobs.
>>>
>>> The Netherlands might pull out of the Euro and go back to their own
>>> currency.
>>>
>>> Because they have been worse off since day 1.
>>>
>>> And the US aint bailing them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The European Union was the wet dream of the multinational corporations and
>> was the ultimate goal of the 'globalization' of Europe. The dream was to
>> create one currency so that companies would not have to deal with the
>> conversion of currencies through out Europe.
>>
>> The problem is that the economies of counties like Greece and Germany are
>> not the same. Countries use the values of their currencies to regulate
>> their economies as well as setting interest rates. By signing on to the
>> Euro, governments gave up those tools and their economies now run
>> unchecked. Money has flowed from the smaller economies to the larger ones
>> causing the budgets of smaller economies to become unbalanced. It is
>> uncontrolled Capitalism.
>>
>> Greece is now run by an unelected banker and Italy is now run by an
>> unelected economist. The proposal Merkel is putting forward will require
>> governments to answer to the Central bank, not their citizens. Democracy
>> has been lost. The mention of a democratic referendum has caused outrage
>> from the world while countries relinquish their control of their economies
>> to the Central bank without a mention of a referendum.
>>
>> The creation of the E.U. required a vote yet the current arrangement will
>> put the citizens of many countries into austerity measures without the
>> consent of their citizens. To join the E.U., Denmark even had 2 votes
>> before the government got the results it wanted.
>>
>> "In Denmark, two referendums had to be held before the treaty of
>> Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of
>> 82.9% but approval of the treaty of Maastricht was denied by a slim
>> margin, with only 49.3% in favour of the treaty.
>>
>> After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the
>> following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary
>> Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defense. A
>> new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of
>> which the 56.77% voted in favour of the renegotiated treaty."
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_Euro...
>>
>> In all of these negotiations to bind governments under the rules of the
>> Central bank there has not even been a mention of holding a vote on the
>> matter.
>>
>> The news tonight showed one of the Pentagon's generals who showed concern
>> about what is happening in Europe. There is mounting discontent amongst
>> the peoples of many European countries and the austerity measures being
>> introduced could cause civil unrest.
>>
>> Globalization has been a dismal failure and it is becoming clear that it
>> has no chance of surviving in democratic countries.
>>
>> These are dangerous times. World wars have been started over less.
>>
>> BTW
>> Ireland is a Capitalist haven bragging that they have the lowest corporate
>> tax rate in the industrialized world. They are one of the countries in
>> trouble which dispels the notion that Socialism is somehow to blame for
>> the financial mess in Europe.
>>
>
>
> The leaked government papers from Germany show that we Irish are heading for
> more and more and more, and even more taxation. A general VAT rate of 23%
> will encourage not only cross-border trade, but will fuel a very healthy
> growth in the already thriving black economy.
>
>
> The crazy Irish taxes on home heating oil, making it some 20+% more
> expensive than a few miles up the road in the north of Ireland, has prompted
> me this winter to forgo on oil heating altogether, and instead go for the
> dirtier, more carbon intensive but cheaper option of coal to heat my home.
>
>
>
> 1. Ireland has a HUGE ELEPHANTINE public service system. Paying for the
> upkeep of this top-heavy monster places an unacceptable burden on taxes.
> Ireland has a public service system which is:
>
> (a) Highly inefficient - compared to the private sector.
> (b) In places perhaps 50% overstaffed - compared to private enterprise, and
> (c) Is overpaid by at least 25% compared to the private sector.
> (d) Pays pensions which for the most part can only be dreamed of by the
> private sector.
>
> Essentially, the public have already cast their vote, with their feet, in
> this respect - as many thousands travel to Northern Ireland and to other EU
> countries for medical and dental treatment at half the Irish cost.
>
> Carbon Tax
>
> The government are going to add another chunk of carbon tax soon to coals
> and oils - so stock up before the hit. It will be interesting to see if the
> Eco Friendly fuels will track the coals in price - given that the wood based
> fuels will NOT have a carbon tax added. But Ireland being the Rip-Off
> Republic, I predict that the gougers will be in there like a flash taking
> advantage.
>
>
>
> End of rant -for now!!
>
>
You're getting the taxes paid by corporations and individuals mixed up.
Ireland has the lowest CORPORATE tax rates in the industrialized world.
http://www.idaireland.com/why-ir...

The reason the people of Ireland are paying such high personal taxes is
because someone has to pick up the lost income that corporations are not
paying.

That is the Capitalist dream. Corporations pay little while the rest of
the population picks up the tab.

--- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to news@netfront.net ---

?pamBuster

12/10/2011 7:07:00 PM

"Tom P" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:jc01nl$jof$1@adenine.netfront.net...
> On 12/10/2011 6:02 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
>> "Tom P"<nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:jbuqps$23c5$1@adenine.netfront.net...
>>> On 12/9/2011 5:30 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
>>>> "Barry Bruyea"<justforlaughs@still.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:omq3e7dlrrmmjan8r9b14vdbm5ma0v9c9c@4ax.com...
>>>>> The saving of the Euro seems to be primary with Sarkozy& Merkel. It
>>>>> was the creation of Germany& France and they are desperately trying
>>>>> to save it,
>>>>
>>>> Merkel is the primary holdup. Shes made it very clear she aint creating
>>>> inflation and she made a bunch of rules that many dont like.
>>>>
>>>> Youre cluelesss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> in spite of the fact their effort to save the Euro is
>>>>> simply causing more disruption in not only Europe's economy, but the
>>>>> rest of the world as well. In focusing on Greece, Italy, Portugal et
>>>>> al they have also deflected any real highlighting of the massive debt
>>>>> incurred by the 'parents' whose overspending to support their 'Social
>>>>> Democracies' makes Greece and Italy look like pikers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right, Greece and Italy are the problems with their citizens who refuse
>>>> to
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>> But thats what Socialism does.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From the days
>>>>> of the Common Market, to the E.U. to the creation of a single
>>>>> currency, France& Germany have lead the charge and now they want to
>>>>> put more power into the hands of the parasitical bureaucrats in
>>>>> Brussels (read Paris& Berlin). It was pure idiocy to put what are
>>>>> nothing more than third world economies and disparate cultures into
>>>>> the mix and expect anything more that what they now have.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, you cant spend yourself into oblivion, and devalue the curency
>>>> without everyone on board.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore , Ireland is just fucked with too many taxes, too many
>>>> people,
>>>> and no jobs.
>>>>
>>>> The Netherlands might pull out of the Euro and go back to their own
>>>> currency.
>>>>
>>>> Because they have been worse off since day 1.
>>>>
>>>> And the US aint bailing them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The European Union was the wet dream of the multinational corporations and
>>> was the ultimate goal of the 'globalization' of Europe. The dream was to
>>> create one currency so that companies would not have to deal with the
>>> conversion of currencies through out Europe.
>>>
>>> The problem is that the economies of counties like Greece and Germany are
>>> not the same. Countries use the values of their currencies to regulate
>>> their economies as well as setting interest rates. By signing on to the
>>> Euro, governments gave up those tools and their economies now run
>>> unchecked. Money has flowed from the smaller economies to the larger ones
>>> causing the budgets of smaller economies to become unbalanced. It is
>>> uncontrolled Capitalism.
>>>
>>> Greece is now run by an unelected banker and Italy is now run by an
>>> unelected economist. The proposal Merkel is putting forward will require
>>> governments to answer to the Central bank, not their citizens. Democracy
>>> has been lost. The mention of a democratic referendum has caused outrage
>>> from the world while countries relinquish their control of their economies
>>> to the Central bank without a mention of a referendum.
>>>
>>> The creation of the E.U. required a vote yet the current arrangement will
>>> put the citizens of many countries into austerity measures without the
>>> consent of their citizens. To join the E.U., Denmark even had 2 votes
>>> before the government got the results it wanted.
>>>
>>> "In Denmark, two referendums had to be held before the treaty of
>>> Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of
>>> 82.9% but approval of the treaty of Maastricht was denied by a slim
>>> margin, with only 49.3% in favour of the treaty.
>>>
>>> After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the
>>> following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary
>>> Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defense. A
>>> new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of
>>> which the 56.77% voted in favour of the renegotiated treaty."
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_Euro...
>>>
>>> In all of these negotiations to bind governments under the rules of the
>>> Central bank there has not even been a mention of holding a vote on the
>>> matter.
>>>
>>> The news tonight showed one of the Pentagon's generals who showed concern
>>> about what is happening in Europe. There is mounting discontent amongst
>>> the peoples of many European countries and the austerity measures being
>>> introduced could cause civil unrest.
>>>
>>> Globalization has been a dismal failure and it is becoming clear that it
>>> has no chance of surviving in democratic countries.
>>>
>>> These are dangerous times. World wars have been started over less.
>>>
>>> BTW
>>> Ireland is a Capitalist haven bragging that they have the lowest corporate
>>> tax rate in the industrialized world. They are one of the countries in
>>> trouble which dispels the notion that Socialism is somehow to blame for
>>> the financial mess in Europe.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The leaked government papers from Germany show that we Irish are heading for
>> more and more and more, and even more taxation. A general VAT rate of 23%
>> will encourage not only cross-border trade, but will fuel a very healthy
>> growth in the already thriving black economy.
>>
>>
>> The crazy Irish taxes on home heating oil, making it some 20+% more
>> expensive than a few miles up the road in the north of Ireland, has prompted
>> me this winter to forgo on oil heating altogether, and instead go for the
>> dirtier, more carbon intensive but cheaper option of coal to heat my home.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Ireland has a HUGE ELEPHANTINE public service system. Paying for the
>> upkeep of this top-heavy monster places an unacceptable burden on taxes.
>> Ireland has a public service system which is:
>>
>> (a) Highly inefficient - compared to the private sector.
>> (b) In places perhaps 50% overstaffed - compared to private enterprise, and
>> (c) Is overpaid by at least 25% compared to the private sector.
>> (d) Pays pensions which for the most part can only be dreamed of by the
>> private sector.
>>
>> Essentially, the public have already cast their vote, with their feet, in
>> this respect - as many thousands travel to Northern Ireland and to other EU
>> countries for medical and dental treatment at half the Irish cost.
>>
>> Carbon Tax
>>
>> The government are going to add another chunk of carbon tax soon to coals
>> and oils - so stock up before the hit. It will be interesting to see if the
>> Eco Friendly fuels will track the coals in price - given that the wood based
>> fuels will NOT have a carbon tax added. But Ireland being the Rip-Off
>> Republic, I predict that the gougers will be in there like a flash taking
>> advantage.
>>
>>
>>
>> End of rant -for now!!
>>
>>
> You're getting the taxes paid by corporations and individuals mixed up. Ireland has the
> lowest CORPORATE tax rates in the industrialized world.
> http://www.idaireland.com/why-ir...
>
> The reason the people of Ireland are paying such high personal taxes is because someone has
> to pick up the lost income that corporations are not paying.
>
> That is the Capitalist dream. Corporations pay little while the rest of the population picks
> up the tab.
>
>
>
> --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to news@netfront.net ---
>

?pamBuster

12/10/2011 7:08:00 PM

"Tom P" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:jbuqps$23c5$1@adenine.netfront.net...
> On 12/9/2011 5:30 AM, DogDiesel wrote:

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