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Re: Camping not saving @state

jonty

7/29/2008 3:40:00 PM

Thanks for finding the problem as I am using Camping quite a bit at the
minute - do you know how to use your own database instead of camping.db?
I tried putting another db name in the postamble as I have seen in
examples but it still just uses camping.db.

Fred Phillips wrote:
> Okay the problem was with ActiveRecord 2.1, downgrading to 2.0.2 fixed
> it.
>
>

17 Answers

r

1/31/2010 10:01:00 PM

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In article
<dba54d5b-464c-4c62-90c9-a7b41f65514d@g29g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, Jimbo
<ckdbigtoe@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 31, 5:33=A0am, r...@somis.org ( R.L.Measures) wrote:
> > In article
> > <a08f94dd-5771-48ec-8cdd-843659818...@k18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > On Jan 30, 5:12=3DA0pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> > > > "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>> The right-wing media continues to lie about Terry Schiavo and rem=
> ains=3D
> > > =A0a
> > > > >>> thorn in the side of actual decent Americans.
> > > > >> PDW
> > > > > Amen! =3DA0It is proof there is no God in Heaven. =3DA0If there was=
> a real =3D
> > > God,
> > > > > each and every right winger would have to go through the agony of c=
> arin=3D
> > > g
> > > > > for a loved one in Terry's condition, as well as the expense. =3DA0=
> They'd
> > > > > change their tunes pretty damn quick.
> > > > > Science, good. =3DA0Religion, bad.
> >
> > > > Oh?
> > > > And so if I get tired of taking care of my mom,
> > > > should I just kill her? =3DA0Too expensive to keep her
> > > > in a nursing home..... =3DA0 If she has Alzheimer's,
> > > > she won't know who did it anyway?
> > > > The medicines are getting too expensive. =3DA0We'll just stop getting=
> them?
> > > > Why does dad want to see the ophthalmologist? =3DA0He is too old.
> > > > If she doesn't eat dinner tonight, who cares? =3DA0She is old?
> >
> > > Well you know, Patrick, it's *very* funny that you bring that up. =A0On=
> e
> > > of the last bills that went through the Texas state legislature when
> > > Dubya was the governor of the Lone Star State was a bill that said
> > > hospitals could terminate, without permission from the family, life
> > > support measures on patients whose families couldn't pay.
> >
> > > So much for being "pro-life."
> >
> > ** =A0Right to lifers care about life up to the point of birth.
>
> 1. Right up to the point of birth.
> 2. Right up until they need some cannon fodder.
> 3. Right up until they run out of $$

** Bingo

--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

Jimbo

2/1/2010 2:31:00 AM

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On Jan 31, 1:43 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Jimbo" <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote .
>
>  "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> > "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > >>> The right-wing media continues to lie about Terry Schiavo and remains
> > >>> a
> > >>> thorn in the side of actual decent Americans.
> > >> PDW
> > > Amen! It is proof there is no God in Heaven. If there was a real God,
> > > each and every right winger would have to go through the agony of caring
> > > for a loved one in Terry's condition, as well as the expense. They'd
> > > change their tunes pretty damn quick.
> > > Science, good. Religion, bad.
>
> > Oh?
> > And so if I get tired of taking care of my mom,
>
> Her husband had LEGAL power of medical decision making.   Terri was in
> a progressive, degenerative state, with no hope of recovery.   Terri's
> husband says that they had discussed this eventuality, and made his
> decision accordingly.   I don't know about you, but I certainly
> wouldn't want to be left in such a state.   If you want to be that
> large of a financial and emotional burden to your kids, then make sure
> your family is clear on that point.   Leave others to make their own
> decisions, fascist.
>
> PB - I am sure it was a long, difficult decision.  I wouldn't
> have wanted to be there to help decide.  However, the family
> still wanted her to have a chance.  

She had no chance. Every doctor that examined her said the same
thing. The diagnosis was agreed upon, and the autopsy report
confirmed it solidly. There is no gray area here. There is no wiggle
room. Her brain had attrophied, and the process was ongoing, and
degenerative.


> The law stepped in.  It should
> never have stepped in.  

It stepped in at the insistence of her mother and father. Florida law
was already clear that it was the husband's decision.

> The Law treated Terri as if she were property.

No, the law rendered a verdict that was in line with Florida State
Law. The husband had the right to medical decision making, and gues
what? This happens on a daily basis. This case got blown way out of
proportion, but somewhere in the country, right now, some family or
husband is having to make the very same decision.


> That is what pisses most people off.

Those people will have to get over it.

Jimbo

2/1/2010 11:57:00 AM

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On Jan 31, 11:00 am, "Boo Radley" <Kill...@mockingbird.com> wrote:
> "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote in message
>
> news:R7GdnUjqnf53V_nWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@posted.localnet...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> >>>> The right-wing media continues to lie about Terry Schiavo and remains a
> >>>> thorn in the side of actual decent Americans.
> >>> PDW
>
> >> Amen!  It is proof there is no God in Heaven.  If there was a real God,
> >> each and every right winger would have to go through the agony of caring
> >> for a loved one in Terry's condition, as well as the expense.  They'd
> >> change their tunes pretty damn quick.
> >> Science, good.  Religion, bad.
>
> > Oh?
> > And so if I get tired of taking care of my mom,
> > should I just kill her?  Too expensive to keep her
> > in a nursing home.....   If she has Alzheimer's,
> > she won't know who did it anyway?
> > The medicines are getting too expensive.  We'll just stop getting them?
> > Why does dad want to see the ophthalmologist?  He is too old.
> > If she doesn't eat dinner tonight, who cares?  She is old?
>
> Who said that? You cannot tell the difference in keeping a dead person alive
> and taking your father to the eye doctor?

Patrick is famous for introducing false and misleading comparisons.
He really doesn't have an honest bone in his body. Diversion and
lies is what he was taught by his religion, despite his imaginary
deity's supposed call for honesty.

Jimbo

2/1/2010 12:02:00 PM

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On Jan 31, 1:40 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Boo Radley" <Kill...@mockingbird.com> wrote ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote in message
> >>> Amen!  It is proof there is no God in Heaven.  If there was a real God,
> >>> each and every right winger would have to go through the agony of caring
> >>> for a loved one in Terry's condition, as well as the expense.  They'd
> >>> change their tunes pretty damn quick.
> >>> Science, good.  Religion, bad.
>
> >> Oh?
> >> And so if I get tired of taking care of my mom,
> >> should I just kill her?  Too expensive to keep her
> >> in a nursing home.....   If she has Alzheimer's,
> >> she won't know who did it anyway?
> >> The medicines are getting too expensive.  We'll just stop getting them?
> >> Why does dad want to see the ophthalmologist?  He is too old.
> >> If she doesn't eat dinner tonight, who cares?  She is old?
>
> > Who said that? You cannot tell the difference in keeping a dead person
> > alive and taking your father to the eye doctor? The only person in this
> > equation that should be put to death is you because of your incredible
> > stupidity.
>
> To me, this is a fine line.  very fine line.
> In the last 8 months of my Dad's life, he had lung cancer.
> He was dying.  Dad had Alzheimer's.  And .... he was dying.
> He didn't recognize his wife or kids.  He was dying.
> We allowed him to smoke because it was the ONLY thing
> that gave him pleasure.  We gave him medicine because
> it MAY have eased his pain.  But, he was dying.....
> Where is YOUR line where you stop life support?
>
> Terry Shievo was supposedly brain dead.
> As long as one person wanted her to live, the law
> has NO RIGHT to determine that she has reached the end
> of her usefulness.  The LAW was wrong.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You don't understand the case. The HUSBAND who had LEGAL RIGHT OF
MEDICAL DECISION MAKING wanted to pull the feeding tube because he
said that he and HIS WIFE had discussed this particular scenario and
she said that she wouldn't want to live in a vegetative state. The
husband believed he was following his wife's wishes. The PARENTS
dragged it into court to stop it. The parents HAD NO LEGAL RIGHTS in
the matter, and the courts decided according to FLORIDA STATE LAW on
the matter.

Jimbo

2/1/2010 2:05:00 PM

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On Jan 31, 1:43 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Jimbo" <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote .
>
>  "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> > "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > >>> The right-wing media continues to lie about Terry Schiavo and remains
> > >>> a
> > >>> thorn in the side of actual decent Americans.
> > >> PDW
> > > Amen! It is proof there is no God in Heaven. If there was a real God,
> > > each and every right winger would have to go through the agony of caring
> > > for a loved one in Terry's condition, as well as the expense. They'd
> > > change their tunes pretty damn quick.
> > > Science, good. Religion, bad.
>
> > Oh?
> > And so if I get tired of taking care of my mom,
>
> Her husband had LEGAL power of medical decision making.   Terri was in
> a progressive, degenerative state, with no hope of recovery.   Terri's
> husband says that they had discussed this eventuality, and made his
> decision accordingly.   I don't know about you, but I certainly
> wouldn't want to be left in such a state.   If you want to be that
> large of a financial and emotional burden to your kids, then make sure
> your family is clear on that point.   Leave others to make their own
> decisions, fascist.
>
> PB - I am sure it was a long, difficult decision.  I wouldn't
> have wanted to be there to help decide.  However, the family
> still wanted her to have a chance.  The law stepped in.  It should
> never have stepped in.  The Law treated Terri as if she were property.
> That is what pisses most people off.

I was reading up and refreshing my knowledge on the Shiavo case. The
courts only became involved with the Bush brother's (Jeb and George)
attempted to shove legislation through, first Jeb at the State level,
and later George at the federal level, that was specifically designed
to stop Terri's husband from removing the tube. Jeb rushed through
"Terri's Law" in October of 2003 which was subsequently found to be
unconstitutional as overly expansive and vague. The feeding tube was
removed for the third and final time in March of 2005. President
George W. Bush ran back from a vacation and pushed through and sign a
bill that would basically grant him jurisdiction in the matter. In
other words, ursurp the rights of the husband without ANY due process
of law. This was quickly blocked by the courts. Terri died in late
March of 2005, and the autopsy report was complete in June of 2005
which confirmed the original diagnosis.

Spartakus

2/1/2010 8:33:00 PM

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"Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "SkyEyes" <skyey...@cox.net> wrote
> > "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:

> > > And so if I get tired of taking care of my mom,
> > > should I just kill her? Too expensive to keep her
> > > in a nursing home..... If she has Alzheimer's,
> > > she won't know who did it anyway?
> > > The medicines are getting too expensive. We'll
> > > just stop getting them? Why does dad want to
> > > see the ophthalmologist? He is too old. If she
> > > doesn't eat dinner tonight, who cares? She is old?
>
> > Well you know, Patrick, it's *very* funny that you bring that up.  One
> > of the last bills that went through the Texas state legislature when
> > Dubya was the governor of the Lone Star State was a bill that said
> > hospitals could terminate, without permission from the family, life
> > support measures on patients whose families couldn't pay.
> > So much for being "pro-life."

> Did W write it, sponsor it, or sign it into law?

He most certainly signed it into law. The legislation is called the
"Advance Directives Act", or the "Futile Care Law". It allows
hospitals to stop life support for incapacitated patients in
"hopeless" cases, even over the objections of family members. George
W. Bush signed this legislation into law in 1999, and Rick Perry,
Bush's successor, signed an amendment in 2003 that made the law
applicable to minors.

The irony here is that the families of two would-be victims of Texas's
Futile Care Law were taking their cases to court during the Terri
Schiavo debacle. One of the patients was an infant - I don't remember
how that case was resolved.

Spartakus

2/1/2010 8:45:00 PM

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On Jan 31, 10:40 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Boo Radley" <Kill...@mockingbird.com> wrote ...
>
>
>
> > "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote in message
> >>> Amen!  It is proof there is no God in Heaven.  If there was a real God,
> >>> each and every right winger would have to go through the agony of caring
> >>> for a loved one in Terry's condition, as well as the expense.  They'd
> >>> change their tunes pretty damn quick.
> >>> Science, good.  Religion, bad.
>
> >> Oh?
> >> And so if I get tired of taking care of my mom,
> >> should I just kill her?  Too expensive to keep her
> >> in a nursing home.....   If she has Alzheimer's,
> >> she won't know who did it anyway?
> >> The medicines are getting too expensive.  We'll just stop getting them?
> >> Why does dad want to see the ophthalmologist?  He is too old.
> >> If she doesn't eat dinner tonight, who cares?  She is old?
>
> > Who said that? You cannot tell the difference in keeping a dead person
> > alive and taking your father to the eye doctor? The only person in this
> > equation that should be put to death is you because of your incredible
> > stupidity.
>
> To me, this is a fine line.  very fine line.
> In the last 8 months of my Dad's life, he had lung cancer.
> He was dying.  Dad had Alzheimer's.  And .... he was
> dying. He didn't recognize his wife or kids.  He was dying.
> We allowed him to smoke because it was the ONLY thing
> that gave him pleasure.  We gave him medicine because
> it MAY have eased his pain.  But, he was dying.....
> Where is YOUR line where you stop life support?

Probably within spitting distance of yours. What's your point?

> Terry Shievo was supposedly brain dead.

Tons of medical evidence showed that she *was* brain dead.

> As long as one person wanted her to live, the law
> has NO RIGHT to determine that she has reached
> the end of her usefulness.  The LAW was wrong.

C'mon, Patrick. Even someone as stupid as you should realize that
such a proposal is completely unworkable.

The law allows next-of-kin to make medical decisions on behalf of an
incapacitated patient. Doesn't say anything about getting unanimous
consent from all family members or even of putting the matter to a
vote.

Spartakus

2/1/2010 8:48:00 PM

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"Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:

> PB - I am sure it was a long, difficult decision.  I wouldn't
> have wanted to be there to help decide.  However, the family
> still wanted her to have a chance.

The husband *was* family and was legally empowered to decide for
Terri.

> The law stepped in. It should never have stepped in.

The law stepped in because Terri's parents sued. And 30-some judges
in 19 different courts affirmed the husband's right to determine
Terri's medical treatment.

> The Law treated Terri as if she were property.
> That is what pisses most people off.

That's a new one.

rfischer

2/2/2010 6:43:00 AM

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Patrick <barker_pb@erinot.com> wrote:
> The Law treated Terri as if she were property.
>That is what pisses most people off.

Not unlike treating a pregnant woman like property to be used to
gestate a baby.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

Uncle Vic

2/2/2010 7:19:00 AM

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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Patrick" <barker_pb@erinot.com> wrote:

> PB - I am sure it was a long, difficult decision. I wouldn't
> have wanted to be there to help decide. However, the family
> still wanted her to have a chance.

What chance? She was a dead woman inside a body being biologically kept
alive. Her family couldn't bear to see her die, not accepting the fact
that she'd been dead for years.

> The law stepped in. It should
> never have stepped in. The Law treated Terri as if she were property.
> That is what pisses most people off.

Unfortunately, "most people" consist of those who believe in talking
snakes, virgin births, and people rising from the dead. They're the same
ones who poo-poo science because it denies them their happy fuzzy
afterlife, and they're the same ones that elected a president (for two
terms) that sent us into an illegal war because "God" told him to do so.

This is what pisses *normal* people off.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Christians are like Slinkys. They're boring, but they'll put a smile on
your face when you push them down the stairs.