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jOhn

4/29/2008 7:18:00 PM

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I have to say that rails is such a mess right now. Notta working and it
sucks. I would prefer slower build out to failed stuff.

Oniguruma does not work on ruby v1.8.6 and gem install oniguruma fails, and
compile workarounds fail as well.

Also, ruby v1.8.6 and support for an older rails (v1.1.6) fails which is
required for my project. Used to work fine, but now I get tons of bugs like
the 'require_gem' vs. 'gem' and the total failure of REXML (which is
inexplicable).

REXML fails on ruby v1.8.6 due to NoMethodError "private method 'gsub'
called for true:TrueClass" ??

The newer RubyGems v1.1.1 is a hack-a-mess and seems to break all.

Aaarrrgh I need to do django and move away from this crappery. I really
like ruby but rails not so much.
15 Answers

Glen Holcomb

4/29/2008 7:25:00 PM

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Then try a different framework maybe?

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:18 PM, jOhn <netcam@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have to say that rails is such a mess right now. Notta working and it
> sucks. I would prefer slower build out to failed stuff.
>
> Oniguruma does not work on ruby v1.8.6 and gem install oniguruma fails,
> and
> compile workarounds fail as well.
>
> Also, ruby v1.8.6 and support for an older rails (v1.1.6) fails which is
> required for my project. Used to work fine, but now I get tons of bugs
> like
> the 'require_gem' vs. 'gem' and the total failure of REXML (which is
> inexplicable).
>
> REXML fails on ruby v1.8.6 due to NoMethodError "private method 'gsub'
> called for true:TrueClass" ??
>
> The newer RubyGems v1.1.1 is a hack-a-mess and seems to break all.
>
> Aaarrrgh I need to do django and move away from this crappery. I really
> like ruby but rails not so much.
>



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Jeremy McAnally

4/29/2008 7:37:00 PM

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Did you actually install the oniguruma C library? That's probably
your first problem.

--Jeremy

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 3:18 PM, jOhn <netcam@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to say that rails is such a mess right now. Notta working and it
> sucks. I would prefer slower build out to failed stuff.
>
> Oniguruma does not work on ruby v1.8.6 and gem install oniguruma fails, and
> compile workarounds fail as well.
>
> Also, ruby v1.8.6 and support for an older rails (v1.1.6) fails which is
> required for my project. Used to work fine, but now I get tons of bugs like
> the 'require_gem' vs. 'gem' and the total failure of REXML (which is
> inexplicable).
>
> REXML fails on ruby v1.8.6 due to NoMethodError "private method 'gsub'
> called for true:TrueClass" ??
>
> The newer RubyGems v1.1.1 is a hack-a-mess and seems to break all.
>
> Aaarrrgh I need to do django and move away from this crappery. I really
> like ruby but rails not so much.
>



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Tim Pease

4/29/2008 7:45:00 PM

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On Apr 29, 2008, at 1:18 PM, jOhn wrote:

> I have to say that rails is such a mess right now. Notta working
> and it
> sucks. I would prefer slower build out to failed stuff.
>
> Oniguruma does not work on ruby v1.8.6 and gem install oniguruma
> fails, and
> compile workarounds fail as well.
>
> Also, ruby v1.8.6 and support for an older rails (v1.1.6) fails
> which is
> required for my project. Used to work fine, but now I get tons of
> bugs like
> the 'require_gem' vs. 'gem' and the total failure of REXML (which is
> inexplicable).
>
> REXML fails on ruby v1.8.6 due to NoMethodError "private method 'gsub'
> called for true:TrueClass" ??
>
> The newer RubyGems v1.1.1 is a hack-a-mess and seems to break all.
>
> Aaarrrgh I need to do django and move away from this crappery. I
> really
> like ruby but rails not so much.

It appears that you have updated many many things all at the same
time. My only advice for your problems would be to restore your
development environment to a known good working state, and then
introduce these new packages one by one. If something breaks, it will
be much easier to tell what went wrong. Specifically, it sounds like
you should be sticking with the 0.9.4 version of RubyGems.

Oniguruma works great on Ruby 1.8.6. As Jeremy McAnally said, you
need to install the Oniguruma C library before you can install the
ruby gem.

Good luck straightening out your development environment! It's always
a bummer when it breaks :-(

Blessings,
TwP

jOhn

4/29/2008 7:50:00 PM

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No I have a bunch of things to setup and just can't get any of it to work.

I have a ruby v1.9 app which uses the onig back-ref stuff, tried to port it
back to ruby v1.8 and nothing works on ubuntu. All the talk out there
implies its possible but its not AFAIK without re-writing my code and even
then likely won't work. Tried the patch ruby v1.8.6 with onig source and
fails.

That stuff is gone though for now as its too hard to do, I'll just shelf
it.

So on to a rails-v1.1.6 app which fails to work with rubygems v1.1.1 or ruby
v1.8.6. REXML fails on ruby v1.8.6 and rubygems seems to just mess up rails
v1.1.6 as well so its kind of a cluster-mess.

I'm tired of non-back-compatibility of rails and ruby. Too much thrash and
not enuf stash!

Too many loose pieces, you have to seal up your box when you finish
something.

It reminds me of Fedora-Core-4 and video cards!


On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Jeremy McAnally <jeremymcanally@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Did you actually install the oniguruma C library? That's probably
> your first problem.
>
> --Jeremy
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 3:18 PM, jOhn <netcam@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have to say that rails is such a mess right now. Notta working and it
> > sucks. I would prefer slower build out to failed stuff.
> >
> > Oniguruma does not work on ruby v1.8.6 and gem install oniguruma fails,
> and
> > compile workarounds fail as well.
> >
> > Also, ruby v1.8.6 and support for an older rails (v1.1.6) fails which
> is
> > required for my project. Used to work fine, but now I get tons of bugs
> like
> > the 'require_gem' vs. 'gem' and the total failure of REXML (which is
> > inexplicable).
> >
> > REXML fails on ruby v1.8.6 due to NoMethodError "private method 'gsub'
> > called for true:TrueClass" ??
> >
> > The newer RubyGems v1.1.1 is a hack-a-mess and seems to break all.
> >
> > Aaarrrgh I need to do django and move away from this crappery. I
> really
> > like ruby but rails not so much.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://jeremymca...
> http:...
>
> Read my books:
> Ruby in Practice (http://manning.com...)
> My free Ruby e-book (http://humblelittlerub...)
>
> Or, my blogs:
> http://mrneig...
> http://rubyinpr...
>
>

Jason Roelofs

4/29/2008 8:02:00 PM

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Lets try taking a deep breath and describing what's actually going
wrong. I see nothing here but heated ranting because you can't figure
out what's going wrong.

Jason

Marc Heiler

4/29/2008 8:03:00 PM

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> Aaarrrgh I need to do django and move away from this crappery.
> I really like ruby but rails not so much.

Why don't you just do it? And besides, if I would not like something,
I would not really use it.

This is why I eventually stopped using PHP altogether.

Django sounds like a good idea, so maybe just do it?
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James Britt

4/29/2008 8:03:00 PM

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Glen Holcomb wrote:
> Then try a different framework maybe?

Exactly.

Try Ramaze or Merb or Sinatra or Wave or Camping or ...



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jOhn

4/29/2008 8:07:00 PM

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Ok enough of my rant. I had to clean and clean.

Then install ruby 1.8.4 with rails 1.1.6 and rubygems 0.9.4.

Just note:

REXML is not working with ruby 1.8.6
and rubygems 1.1.1 is not backward compatible

Jeremy Kemper

4/29/2008 9:00:00 PM

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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:07 PM, jOhn <netcam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok enough of my rant. I had to clean and clean.
>
> Then install ruby 1.8.4 with rails 1.1.6 and rubygems 0.9.4.
>
> Just note:
>
> REXML is not working with ruby 1.8.6
> and rubygems 1.1.1 is not backward compatible

I'm glad you got things working.

What, specifically, failed with rexml and rubygems?

jeremy

Jeremy Kemper

4/29/2008 9:19:00 PM

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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:18 PM, jOhn <netcam@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to say that rails is such a mess right now. Notta working and it
> sucks. I would prefer slower build out to failed stuff.

jOhn, you mention a few issues with Ruby, the standard library, and gems.

Are you running into actual troubles with Rails as well or are you
just generally frustrated with your Rails app?

In any case, bring it up on the rubyonrails-talk mailing list or the
#rubyonrails IRC channel on freenode and folks are sure to lend a
hand.

Best,
jeremy