cindys
1/10/2011 1:42:00 AM
On Jan 9, 4:25 pm, Morris Goodman <goodman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 23:13:18 +0000 (UTC), cindys
>
> <cindys...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 9, 2:21 pm, Morris Goodman <goodman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >snip
>
> >> Without in any way wishing to start a whole new discussion, some
> >> people are visibly Jewish regardless what they are wearing. Which is
> >> not to say that all Jews are.
>
> >Can you please elaborate on how some people are visibly Jewish
> >regardless of what they are wearing? How does a Jew look?
>
> Ah, I see a new discussion starting regardless.
>
> It's one of those things that's easier to recognise than to define.
> Perhaps it takes one to know one. I can give you a list of famous
> people who, were you to look at them, you would instantly recognise as
> Jewish. Put simply, we are an ethnicity as well as a religion. Each
> ethnicity tends to have certain distinctive features.
Well, what are these distinctively "Jewish" features?
> Of course, not
> all Jews are ethnically identifiable, thanks to outmarriage etc, and
> we have the added complication of converts from various ethnicities.
>
> >> >So, in the USA, these policies cannot effectively be used to exclude
> >> >blacks and Jews.
>
> >> I think they can, provided it is done carefully, and I would be
> >> surprised if it never happened. You may, for instance, allow in a few
> >> token blacks or Jews and refuse admission to the rest. Then nobody
> >> can accuse you of discriminating on the basis of race or religion.
>
> >Yeah, that probably happens. So? If the injured party believes he has
> >been discriminated against for racial or religious reasons, he can sue
> >the owner of the establishment, and he may lose or win the case
> >depending on how well the injured party is able to present his/her
> >case to the judge.
>
> Didn't you say suggest earlier that this was a criminal matter rather
> than a civil one? Who is going to fund such a civil suit?
I believe it is a civil suit, yes, although someone can correct me. If
someone decides to sue, the person needs to hire an attorney and pay
the bill himself. But one can make arrangements with an attorney such
that the attorney does not get paid unless there is a monetary award,
and then he/she gets a certain percentage (which is generally quite
hefty).
>
> >So, I don't understand what's your point? That an
> >owner of an establishment should be obligated to let everybody in, no
> >matter what?
>
> If that's not the case, then discrimination on the basis of race or
> religion always remains a real possibility.
So, it does...(shoulder shrug).
Best regards,
---Cindy S.