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unknownguitarplayer

2/9/2014 3:30:00 PM

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On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:15:19 PM UTC-5, cjenki...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:31:33 PM UTC-5, charlieguitar wrote:
>
> > Ok I'm not talking boutique,I'm talking practical and affordable...they have been out for a while now, the performance results should be in....which one do you think gives you the most bang for the buck in terms of power and tone quality?
>
>
>
> The Polytone Mega-Brute is loud enough for most applications.... The sound is nice once you learn how to dial it in.

Loud enough yes, but if you wouldn't mind sharing, how DO you dial it in? I've been using a Mega Brute for many years and the process for me is still more or less random selection, based on "adjust until either frustrated or it's time to hit".

sheetsofsound

2/9/2014 3:44:00 PM

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On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:15:19 PM UTC-5, cjenki...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:31:33 PM UTC-5, charlieguitar wrote:
>
> > Ok I'm not talking boutique,I'm talking practical and affordable...they have been out for a while now, the performance results should be in....which one do you think gives you the most bang for the buck in terms of power and tone quality?
>
>
>
> The Polytone Mega-Brute is loud enough for most applications.... The sound is nice once you learn how to dial it in.

Not nearly loud enough for a loud rhythm section.

Tim McNamara

2/9/2014 5:16:00 PM

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On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 07:43:38 -0800 (PST), jaz <jackzucker@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:15:19 PM UTC-5, cjenki...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:31:33 PM UTC-5, charlieguitar wrote:
>>
>> > Ok I'm not talking boutique,I'm talking practical and
>> > affordable...they have been out for a while now, the performance
>> > results should be in....which one do you think gives you the most
>> > bang for the buck in terms of power and tone quality?
>>
>> The Polytone Mega-Brute is loud enough for most applications.... The
>> sound is nice once you learn how to dial it in.
>
> Not nearly loud enough for a loud rhythm section.

Wow. Seems like an overly loud rhythm section if a 100W amp doesn't cut
it. I find that fair number of drummers and (electric) bassists are
allergic to dialing it back three notches, confusing loudness with their
"sound" and demanding that others "keep up," but the great ones are
always attentive and never overpower. You never hear Steve Swallow or
Bill Stewart being too loud, for example.

My ~15-20W Deluxe is more than loud enough on 3 to be heard with my
drummer, bassist, trumpeter and saxophonist. I usually have to dial
back the volume on the guitar to 7-8 during heads and comping. But they
are all listening musicians and attending to the mix dynamically; I tend
to be the leadfoot in that band...

sheetsofsound

2/9/2014 6:24:00 PM

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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 12:16:21 PM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 07:43:38 -0800 (PST), jaz <jackzucker@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:15:19 PM UTC-5, cjenki...@gmail.com
>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:31:33 PM UTC-5, charlieguitar wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> > Ok I'm not talking boutique,I'm talking practical and
>
> >> > affordable...they have been out for a while now, the performance
>
> >> > results should be in....which one do you think gives you the most
>
> >> > bang for the buck in terms of power and tone quality?
>
> >>
>
> >> The Polytone Mega-Brute is loud enough for most applications.... The
>
> >> sound is nice once you learn how to dial it in.
>
> >
>
> > Not nearly loud enough for a loud rhythm section.
>
>
>
> Wow. Seems like an overly loud rhythm section if a 100W amp doesn't cut
>
> it. I find that fair number of drummers and (electric) bassists are
>
> allergic to dialing it back three notches, confusing loudness with their
>
> "sound" and demanding that others "keep up," but the great ones are
>
> always attentive and never overpower. You never hear Steve Swallow or
>
> Bill Stewart being too loud, for example.
>
>
>
> My ~15-20W Deluxe is more than loud enough on 3 to be heard with my
>
> drummer, bassist, trumpeter and saxophonist. I usually have to dial
>
> back the volume on the guitar to 7-8 during heads and comping. But they
>
> are all listening musicians and attending to the mix dynamically; I tend
>
> to be the leadfoot in that band...

depends on the room. I have played really big rooms where we are not mic'd and a deluxe couldn't cut it. And if you're playing with a tenor sax player, the whole band gets really loud.

Tim McNamara

2/10/2014 2:07:00 AM

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On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 10:23:41 -0800 (PST), jaz <jackzucker@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, February 9, 2014 12:16:21 PM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 07:43:38 -0800 (PST), jaz <jackzucker@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:15:19 PM UTC-5,
>> > cjenki...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >> The Polytone Mega-Brute is loud enough for most applications....
>> >> The sound is nice once you learn how to dial it in.
>>
>> > Not nearly loud enough for a loud rhythm section.
>>
>> Wow. Seems like an overly loud rhythm section if a 100W amp doesn't
>> cut it. I find that fair number of drummers and (electric) bassists
>> are allergic to dialing it back three notches, confusing loudness
>> with their "sound" and demanding that others "keep up," but the great
>> ones are always attentive and never overpower. You never hear Steve
>> Swallow or Bill Stewart being too loud, for example.
>>
>> My ~15-20W Deluxe is more than loud enough on 3 to be heard with my
>> drummer, bassist, trumpeter and saxophonist. I usually have to dial
>> back the volume on the guitar to 7-8 during heads and comping. But
>> they are all listening musicians and attending to the mix
>> dynamically; I tend to be the leadfoot in that band...
>
> depends on the room. I have played really big rooms where we are not
> mic'd and a deluxe couldn't cut it. And if you're playing with a tenor
> sax player, the whole band gets really loud.

True, my band plays typically small rooms (like coffee houses or sall
bars) or, in the gigs we have had in larger rooms, we're playing
background. I use the AI if I have concerns about running out of
headroom on the Deluxe, which happens quickly as the volume knob goes
up. I've had a Pro Reverb silverface for over 25 years that is pretty
loud but weighs too darned much to take anywhere. I'm too old to be
lugging 80 lbs of amp around (I have thought about replacing the JBLs
with some neo speakers in that amp).

After I posted I also thought about style. If you're playing fusion or
rock or blues it's a different situation than straight ahead and the
demands on the amp would be different. Jack plays a wider range of
styles than I do so his equipment needs are different than mine.

rpjazzguitar

2/10/2014 2:36:00 AM

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What I sometimes don't understand is a guitarist playing a big room with no PA and his amp right behind him.

If it's loud enough to hear in the house, isn't his amp going to drown out the rest of the band? How does he hear anything? And what about auditory fatigue? After a while of being blasted, it all sounds like a dull roar to me.. When I've tried it, I can't tell how loud I am in comparison to the group as whole, as perceived by the audience. So I have no idea how loud to play. How do more experienced players do it?

A local bassist showed up to a gig years ago with a small amp. He said, "if I need to be louder than this amp, there ought to be a PA". That makes sense to me. So, if my JC55 isn't loud enough, there really ought to be a PA. I have a louder amp, but it weighs nearly 3x as much, counting head and cabinet. I still use it, because it allows me to put the cabinet somewhere other than next to me, and still work the controls. That helps, but I don't see it done very much.

Even in octet rehearsals I put the amp on the other side of the room facing me (band is in something like a semicircle of 270 degrees. I can do that partly because I'm a solidbody player so I don't worry about feedback. But my backup guy, a better player than I am, puts his amp behind him and somehow makes it work.

sheetsofsound

2/10/2014 3:24:00 AM

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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:36:26 PM UTC-5, rpjazzguitar wrote:
> What I sometimes don't understand is a guitarist playing a big room with no PA and his amp right behind him.
>
>
>
> If it's loud enough to hear in the house, isn't his amp going to drown out the rest of the band? How does he hear anything? And what about auditory fatigue? After a while of being blasted, it all sounds like a dull roar to me. When I've tried it, I can't tell how loud I am in comparison to the group as whole, as perceived by the audience. So I have no idea how loud to play. How do more experienced players do it?
>
>
>
> A local bassist showed up to a gig years ago with a small amp. He said, "if I need to be louder than this amp, there ought to be a PA". That makes sense to me. So, if my JC55 isn't loud enough, there really ought to be a PA.. I have a louder amp, but it weighs nearly 3x as much, counting head and cabinet. I still use it, because it allows me to put the cabinet somewhere other than next to me, and still work the controls. That helps, but I don't see it done very much.
>
>
>
> Even in octet rehearsals I put the amp on the other side of the room facing me (band is in something like a semicircle of 270 degrees. I can do that partly because I'm a solidbody player so I don't worry about feedback. But my backup guy, a better player than I am, puts his amp behind him and somehow makes it work.

not sure where you play but the coffee houses and small clubs in this area don't have house systems and the bigger rooms that do don't let the jazz groups use them or at least most of them don't so while it's fine to stamp your foot and say you ought to be using a PA, realistically it doesn't happen too much.

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2/10/2014 1:02:00 PM

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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:43:38 AM UTC-5, jaz wrote:
> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:15:19 PM UTC-5, cjenki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:31:33 PM UTC-5, charlieguitar wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Ok I'm not talking boutique,I'm talking practical and affordable...they have been out for a while now, the performance results should be in....which one do you think gives you the most bang for the buck in terms of power and tone quality?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The Polytone Mega-Brute is loud enough for most applications.... The sound is nice once you learn how to dial it in.
>
>
>
> Not nearly loud enough for a loud rhythm section.

Except I've regularly used it with a loud rhythm section. You? Is it a Marshall stack? no.

%^&*&^$$%&*&&)_

2/10/2014 1:05:00 PM

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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:29:34 AM UTC-5, unknownguitarplayer wrote:
> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:15:19 PM UTC-5, cjenki...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:31:33 PM UTC-5, charlieguitar wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Ok I'm not talking boutique,I'm talking practical and affordable...they have been out for a while now, the performance results should be in....which one do you think gives you the most bang for the buck in terms of power and tone quality?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The Polytone Mega-Brute is loud enough for most applications.... The sound is nice once you learn how to dial it in.
>
>
>
> Loud enough yes, but if you wouldn't mind sharing, how DO you dial it in? I've been using a Mega Brute for many years and the process for me is still more or less random selection, based on "adjust until either frustrated or it's time to hit".

Personally I cut all the bass and elevate mids and highs.

charles robinson

2/10/2014 5:17:00 PM

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On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:36:26 PM UTC-5, rpjazzguitar wrote:
> What I sometimes don't understand is a guitarist playing a big room with no PA and his amp right behind him.
>
>
>
> If it's loud enough to hear in the house, isn't his amp going to drown out the rest of the band? How does he hear anything? And what about auditory fatigue? After a while of being blasted, it all sounds like a dull roar to me. When I've tried it, I can't tell how loud I am in comparison to the group as whole, as perceived by the audience. So I have no idea how loud to play. How do more experienced players do it?
>
>
>
> A local bassist showed up to a gig years ago with a small amp. He said, "if I need to be louder than this amp, there ought to be a PA". That makes sense to me. So, if my JC55 isn't loud enough, there really ought to be a PA.. I have a louder amp, but it weighs nearly 3x as much, counting head and cabinet. I still use it, because it allows me to put the cabinet somewhere other than next to me, and still work the controls. That helps, but I don't see it done very much.
>
>
>
> Even in octet rehearsals I put the amp on the other side of the room facing me (band is in something like a semicircle of 270 degrees. I can do that partly because I'm a solidbody player so I don't worry about feedback. But my backup guy, a better player than I am, puts his amp behind him and somehow makes it work.
The most common complaint with guitar is not that it is too soft but rather that it is too loud.A lot of guys get in the habit of putting their amps on a chair behind them so that they can can play at lower volumes and still sound loud enough to themselves. Charlie