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gengyangcai

11/12/2015 4:56:00 PM

This is a general output function format which takes the 2 input 2 and 3, adds them and gives the result 5 :

CL-USER 9 : 2 > (format t "~A plus ~A equals ~A.~%" 2 3 (+ 2 3))
2 plus 3 equals 5.
NIL

Is there any particular reason Lisp requires you to type the " 2 3 " in front of the (+ 2 3) for this function to work? Doesn't it seem like surplus code ?
25 Answers

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

1/2/2013 6:52:00 AM

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On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:56:05 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:

>Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get a grip.
> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies violence and
>misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to understand
>that not all rap is gangsta.

reinforcing racist stereotypes of involvement in prostitution , drug
dealing and gang murders has nothing to do with Music shocking
squares.

Your very language shows how dated and out of touch you are.


>Didja know that the Beatle's hypnotically rhythmic music was part of a
>Communist plot to to destroy the minds of American teenagers? I'm not
>making that up. The google is your friend.

Try making it yours and you may come across as less of an out of touch
idiot enabling evil.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/sep/13/murder-and-mayhem-chicagos-r...

Murder and mayhem in Chicago's rap scene (Videos)

(Mortar)

1/2/2013 8:12:00 AM

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On 1/2/13 12:27 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:58:25 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/1/13 9:29 PM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 18:26:24 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/1/13 4:40 PM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:56:05 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/1/13 2:49 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:51:27 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/31/12 11:40 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:1smdnQZu1Pgi03zNnZ2dnUVZ5hWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 4:09 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:SMKdnbX7some7X3NnZ2dnUVZ5qidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 9:31 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:hZWdnTCEFakXW0LNnZ2dnUVZ5jGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/12 8:53 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <Dev@null.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ormud89gef2ni2g7hv8oput4qb27jv1t3m@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I couldn't agree more and, on that topic, had profound
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misgivings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the wisdom of associating certain Hip Hop and Rap
>>>>>>>>>>> "luminaries"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Presidential campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As do I. I don't think our president thinks very deeply about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are appearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys complaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> rap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> music. Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complained about rock music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pray tell. Which "Hip Hop and Rap 'luminaries'" are you talking
>>>>>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't follow who Obama invites to the White House?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, not really. And I don't follow rap, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nor do I.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but since I don't, and you evidently do, inform me of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> objectionable "luminaries."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't follow rap either and my comment was about who Obama
>>>>>>>>>>> invites to the White House, not who is currently number one in the
>>>>>>>>>>> Hip Hop world.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, fine since my request wasn't for you to name the current Hip Hop
>>>>>>>>>> world leader, but rather to name the objectionable rap stars invited
>>>>>>>>>> to the White House.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were mentioned in another post. Not of mine but right after mine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Were they? All I could find was a reference to rap "luminaries."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, that fact that it is rap music has very little to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I gather that it's objectionable rap music, making the rappers an
>>>>>>>>>>> unwise
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice for a Presidential invitation. I'm just asking what was so
>>>>>>>>>>>> unwise in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is the wordings in some of the songs. Obama is supposed to be the
>>>>>>>>>>> women's president but he is inviting those who refer to women as hos
>>>>>>>>>>> and bitches to his shindigs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And has Obama issued invites to those who so refer to women? I don't
>>>>>>>>>> know since I follow neither Presidential invitations nor rap music.
>>>>>>>>>> And since you don't either, I'm assuming that it's the genre you
>>>>>>>>>> object to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Already asked and answered. Even answered right above your comment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Already asked and evaded, anyway. Has Obama invited anyone whose lyrics
>>>>>>>> refer to women as "hos and bitches"? I don't know. Do you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg - Bitches ain't shit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg Bitches ain't shit- "Bitches Ain't Shit"
>>>>>>> (feat. Snoop Dogg, Dat Nigga Daz, Kurupt, Jewel)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Snoop] Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When did Obama invite Snoop Dogg to the White House?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys complaining about rap
>>>>>>>> music.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stereotype much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not saying all old testy white guys complain about rap music. But
>>>>>> you two are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys complained
>>>>>>>> about rock music.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is far from your youth and rock music.
>>>>>>> These guys rob rape and murder to make their way up the chain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get a grip.
>>>>>> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies violence and
>>>>>> misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>>>>>> squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to understand
>>>>>> that not all rap is gangsta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didja know that the Beatle's hypnotically rhythmic music was part of a
>>>>>> Communist plot to to destroy the minds of American teenagers? I'm not
>>>>>> making that up. The google is your friend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pray tell. Which "Hip Hop and Rap 'luminaries'" are you talking about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why Snoop Dogg and Jay-Z of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When did Obama invite Snoop Dogg to the White House? I don't know,
>>>>>> which is why I'm asking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This might give you a hint of the concern..or not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rap?s killer new rhymes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Four days after Sandy Hook, Interscope drops the debut album of Chief
>>>>>>> Keef, who police say may be linked to murder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.salon.com/2012/12/18/raps_killer_n...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snipped: copyright violation/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Chicago police say someone *may* be linked to murder? Cracker, please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rapper's debut album was released four days *after* Sandy Hook?
>>>>>> Strange kind of causality there. Did Lanza hear the music before it was
>>>>>> released?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the off chance that happened are you suggesting we suppress some
>>>>>> speech here? Or are you just incensed because Obama is sure to invite
>>>>>> Chief Keef to the White House now that he doesn't have to worry about
>>>>>> re-election.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously you haven't a clue.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, Sparky, I've been reading your posts. You've got no business in
>>>> determining who has and who hasn't a clue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is complaining about rap music but the degradation and
>>>>> exploitation of Black culture and commercialism involved in the
>>>>> glorification of gangsters,beating of women and gang murders.
>>>>
>>>> And I'm sure black people everywhere are grateful for your concern.
>>>
>>> Exept for the omes dead in their graves of ourse.
>>
>> Let me rephrase. I'm sure living black people everywhere are grateful
>> for your concern for their own lives and your concern about the deaths
>> of their relatives. But be that as it may, ....
>>
>>>
>>>> But be that as it may, you were complaining about certain "luminaries" of
>>>> rap music who had been invited to the White House.
>>>
>>> Get your fats straight.
>>
>> Saturated, unsaturated, and trans. Straight enough for you?
>>
>>> I said nothing about the WH.
>>
>> I stand corrected. When did Obama invite Snoop Dogg to become part of
>> his campaign?
>>
>>>> I keep asking for their names. Snoop Dogg is apparently one. When did Obama have him over?
>>>
>>> Had you been reading my posts you wouldn't have needed these
>>> references reposting would you?
>>
>> Well, just blame me for not making your posts the center of my life.
>
>
> Your claim.

My claim is basically that you're full of shit. As we'll see below.
>
> Don't post ridiculous shit like you have read my posts which show blah
> blah blah..then whine you haven't read my posts.
>
> You can't have it both ways.

I skim most of your posts. That doesn't mean I've memorized them.
Sorry. More close reading of your deathless newsgroup submissions is
one of my New Year's resolutions.

>> You've mentioned Snoop Dogg. Indulge me. When did Obama invite him to
>> be part of his campaign?
>
> Follow up the references if you want to educate yourself as to the
> role of rap and hip hop in the presidential campaign.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyI...

Ah, so now we're down to the role of rap and hip hop, backing off a bit
from the President associating his campaign with violent and
misogynistic music. And, sure enough, the NPR piece is about rappers
taking sides in the election, and nothing about the President
associating his campaign with gangsta rap and not doing enough deep
thinking about the consequences.

See above where I reference see below.

> It has nothing to do with your reminiscences about old men not liking
> rock music

Sure it does, Sparky. You're just one in a long line of the elderly
complaining about the deleterious effects of the music those damn kids
keep playing.

> or your own scarcely hidden racism.

A little projection here, perhaps?

This should be good, though. What in my posts do you think is racist?

>>> I neither know nor care what your beef is here, I spoke only of doubts
>>> as to the wisdom of the Presidential campaign associating itself with
>>> underworld gangster figures.
>>
>> And is this some general doubt you have or has any President actually
>> associated himself with "underworld gangster figures"? Besides Nixon, I
>> mean.
>
> You are joking right?

Only if you count my making fun of you.

(Mortar)

1/2/2013 8:17:00 AM

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On 1/2/13 12:52 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:56:05 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get a grip.
>> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies violence and
>> misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>> squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to understand
>> that not all rap is gangsta.
>
> reinforcing racist stereotypes of involvement in prostitution , drug
> dealing and gang murders has nothing to do with Music shocking
> squares.

It certainly seems to have shaken you up, Grandpa.
>
> Your very language shows how dated and out of touch you are.

Not my language, but my *very* language? I may be dated and out of
touch, but at least I'm not whining about gangsta rap.
>
>> Didja know that the Beatle's hypnotically rhythmic music was part of a
>> Communist plot to to destroy the minds of American teenagers? I'm not
>> making that up. The google is your friend.
>
> Try making it yours and you may come across as less of an out of touch
> idiot enabling evil.
>
> http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/sep/13/murder-and-mayhem-chicagos-r...

The Washington Times?

You. are. pathetic.

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

1/2/2013 8:41:00 AM

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On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:17:22 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:

>On 1/2/13 12:52 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:56:05 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get a grip.
>>> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies violence and
>>> misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>>> squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to understand
>>> that not all rap is gangsta.
>>
>> reinforcing racist stereotypes of involvement in prostitution , drug
>> dealing and gang murders has nothing to do with Music shocking
>> squares.
>
>It certainly seems to have shaken you up, Grandpa.

Grandpa?

"Cracker"?

You are a fucking idiot shooting blanks.

Obviously your mileage varies but the whole nation is shook up and
debating causes/cures with the exception of narcissistic nut jobs such
as yourself.>>

>> Your very language shows how dated and out of touch you are.
>
>Not my language, but my *very* language? I may be dated and out of
>touch, but at least I'm not whining about gangsta rap.

"Squares"?



Pfttttttt!!!!


>>
>>> Didja know that the Beatle's hypnotically rhythmic music was part of a
>>> Communist plot to to destroy the minds of American teenagers? I'm not
>>> making that up. The google is your friend.
>>
>> Try making it yours and you may come across as less of an out of touch
>> idiot enabling evil.
>>
>> http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/sep/13/murder-and-mayhem-chicagos-r...
>
>The Washington Times?
>
>You. are. pathetic.

The source has some relevance to the deadness of the victims of the
Chicago spike in murders does it or the content of the videos?

Clearly you have no interest so I will quit wasting your time.

RD Sandman

1/2/2013 3:11:00 PM

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deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
news:3cKdnUZgMrHu4n7NnZ2dnUVZ5gmdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 1/1/13 4:45 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in news:JMidnX76f8gF_
>> 37NnZ2dnUVZ5uydnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 1/1/13 3:11 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>> news:f8GdncVwssPLon7NnZ2dnUVZ5sKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/1/13 2:49 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:51:27 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/31/12 11:40 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:1smdnQZu1Pgi03zNnZ2dnUVZ5hWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 4:09 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:SMKdnbX7some7X3NnZ2dnUVZ5qidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 9:31 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:hZWdnTCEFakXW0LNnZ2dnUVZ5jGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/12 8:53 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <Dev@null.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ormud89gef2ni2g7hv8oput4qb27jv1t3m@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I couldn't agree more and, on that topic, had
profound
>>>>>>>>>>>> misgivings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the wisdom of associating certain Hip Hop and Rap
>>>>>>>>>> "luminaries"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Presidential campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As do I. I don't think our president thinks very deeply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how
>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are appearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys
complaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> rap
>>>>>>>>>>>>> music. Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>> complained about rock music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pray tell. Which "Hip Hop and Rap 'luminaries'" are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't follow who Obama invites to the White House?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, not really. And I don't follow rap, either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nor do I.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but since I don't, and you evidently do, inform me
of
>>>>>>>>>>> the objectionable "luminaries."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't follow rap either and my comment was about who
Obama
>>>>>>>>>> invites to the White House, not who is currently number one in
>>>>>>>>>> the Hip Hop world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, fine since my request wasn't for you to name the current
>> Hip
>>>>>>>>> Hop world leader, but rather to name the objectionable rap
stars
>>>>>>>>> invited to the White House.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They were mentioned in another post. Not of mine but right
after
>>>>>>>> mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Were they? All I could find was a reference to rap "luminaries."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, that fact that it is rap music has very little to
>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>> with comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I gather that it's objectionable rap music, making the
rappers
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> unwise
>>>>>>>>>>> choice for a Presidential invitation. I'm just asking what
was
>>>>>>>>>>> so unwise in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is the wordings in some of the songs. Obama is supposed to
>> be
>>>>>>>>>> the women's president but he is inviting those who refer to
>> women
>>>>>>>>>> as hos and bitches to his shindigs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And has Obama issued invites to those who so refer to women? I
>>>>>>>>> don't know since I follow neither Presidential invitations nor
>> rap
>>>>>>>>> music. And since you don't either, I'm assuming that it's the
>>>>>>>>> genre you object to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Already asked and answered. Even answered right above your
>>>>>>>> comment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Already asked and evaded, anyway. Has Obama invited anyone whose
>>>>>>> lyrics refer to women as "hos and bitches"? I don't know. Do
you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg - Bitches ain't shit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg Bitches ain't shit- "Bitches Ain't Shit"
>>>>>> (feat. Snoop Dogg, Dat Nigga Daz, Kurupt, Jewel)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Snoop] Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks...
>>>>>
>>>>> When did Obama invite Snoop Dogg to the White House?
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys complaining
about
>>>>>>> rap music.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stereotype much?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not saying all old testy white guys complain about rap music.
>> But
>>>>> you two are.
>>>>
>>>> You don't read very well.
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong with my reading, Sparky.
>>>
>>>> I was mentioning that Obama (the presidential
>>>> candidate who supposedly supports women)
>>>
>>> No supposedly about it.
>>>
>>>> invited guys to the White House
>>>> who sing about hoes and bitches.
>>>
>>> And yet I can't get you to name one of these guys.
>>
>> Already named two of them. JayZ and Common. Or was it Snoop Dogg and
>> Common.
>>
>> GOPD&F mentions
>>> Snoop Dogg. When did Obama invite him to the White House?
>>>
>>>> Saying women are good for nothing but
>>>> screwing. I made no mention of complaining about rap music. Only
>> some
>>>> of the words used by those particular rappers.
>>>
>>> Great. Now, which of those particular rappers did Obama invite to
the
>>> White House?
>>
>> Asked and answered.
>
> Asked and avoided, you mean.

Nope....asked....answered by another poster twice....answered by me
later....twice. With four you get eggroll.

>>>>>>> Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys complained
>>>>>>> about rock music.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is far from your youth and rock music.
>>>>>> These guys rob rape and murder to make their way up the chain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get a
>>>>> grip.
>>>>> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies violence
and
>>>>> misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>>>>> squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to
>> understand
>>>>> that not all rap is gangsta.
>>>>
>>>> That's true, but those weren't the rappers we were referring to so
get
>>>> your ass off your high horse.
>>>
>>> So which objectionable rappers did Obama invite to the White House?
>>> Seems like a simple request. For all I know there were a stream of
>> them.
>>
>> I already named two of them. Let Google be your friend.
>
> You've named two rappers. Have either of them been invited to the
White
> House? The google is everybody's friend, especially to those who make
> claims.

Them you should have no problem looking them up.

>>> And I'll get my ass off the place it sits when you abandon your faux
>>> outrage.
>>
>> What makes you think my bitch is faux?
>
> I don't know your bitch. Is she a ho?

Its your mother....you tell me.


--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

If law school is so hard to get through....
how come there are so many lawyers?

(Mortar)

1/2/2013 5:39:00 PM

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On 1/2/13 2:40 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:17:22 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/2/13 12:52 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:56:05 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get a grip.
>>>> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies violence and
>>>> misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>>>> squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to understand
>>>> that not all rap is gangsta.
>>>
>>> reinforcing racist stereotypes of involvement in prostitution , drug
>>> dealing and gang murders has nothing to do with Music shocking
>>> squares.
>>
>> It certainly seems to have shaken you up, Grandpa.
>
> Grandpa?

Yeah. Just a guess, but an informed one.
>
> "Cracker"?

Oh, I'm sorry. Were you offended?

> You are a fucking idiot shooting blanks.

And you are an ignoramus shooting off his mouth. You're ignorant about
gun laws, Constitutional issues, and the technical aspects of firearms
themselves. But that doesn't stop you from mounting your high horse of
moral indignation and wading into the issue of gun control. Of course,
that just allows blowhards like Scout to make a fool out of you.

And now you're here bemoaning rap music and what? Presidential
endorsement? Or something.

> Obviously your mileage varies but the whole nation is shook up and
> debating causes/cures with the exception of narcissistic nut jobs such
> as yourself.>>

Don't include yourself in the debate thing, because debate is reasoned
and informed argument.

>>> Your very language shows how dated and out of touch you are.
>>
>> Not my language, but my *very* language? I may be dated and out of
>> touch, but at least I'm not whining about gangsta rap.
>
> "Squares"?

If the quadrilateral fits, own it.

>
> Pfttttttt!!!!

And here we have your most cogent argument.

>
>>>
>>>> Didja know that the Beatle's hypnotically rhythmic music was part of a
>>>> Communist plot to to destroy the minds of American teenagers? I'm not
>>>> making that up. The google is your friend.
>>>
>>> Try making it yours and you may come across as less of an out of touch
>>> idiot enabling evil.
>>>
>>> http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/sep/13/murder-and-mayhem-chicagos-r...
>>
>> The Washington Times?
>>
>> You. are. pathetic.
>
> The source has some relevance to the deadness of the victims of the
> Chicago spike in murders does it or the content of the videos?

Is that a question or a declaration? Doesn't matter. Once you've
stooped to quoting the Moonie Daily Herald, you're pretty much lost, and
not just grammatically.

Yes, the victims are dead, and I'm sure their mourners are eternally
grateful for your concern about the effects of music you don't like.
Just as they have appreciated the long line of hand-wringing ignoramuses
bemoaning the social state of black people.

> Clearly you have no interest so I will quit wasting your time.

It's my time, and I'll waste it how I wish. But the choice between
engagement and bravely running away is always yours, Brave Sir Robin.
As is the choice between making an informed argument and whatever it is
that you've been doing.

(Mortar)

1/2/2013 5:41:00 PM

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On 1/2/13 9:10 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
> news:3cKdnUZgMrHu4n7NnZ2dnUVZ5gmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 1/1/13 4:45 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in news:JMidnX76f8gF_
>>> 37NnZ2dnUVZ5uydnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 1/1/13 3:11 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:f8GdncVwssPLon7NnZ2dnUVZ5sKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/1/13 2:49 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:51:27 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/31/12 11:40 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:1smdnQZu1Pgi03zNnZ2dnUVZ5hWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 4:09 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:SMKdnbX7some7X3NnZ2dnUVZ5qidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 9:31 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:hZWdnTCEFakXW0LNnZ2dnUVZ5jGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/12 8:53 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <Dev@null.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ormud89gef2ni2g7hv8oput4qb27jv1t3m@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I couldn't agree more and, on that topic, had
> profound
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misgivings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the wisdom of associating certain Hip Hop and Rap
>>>>>>>>>>> "luminaries"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Presidential campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As do I. I don't think our president thinks very deeply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are appearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys
> complaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> rap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> music. Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complained about rock music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pray tell. Which "Hip Hop and Rap 'luminaries'" are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't follow who Obama invites to the White House?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, not really. And I don't follow rap, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nor do I.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but since I don't, and you evidently do, inform me
> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the objectionable "luminaries."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't follow rap either and my comment was about who
> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>> invites to the White House, not who is currently number one in
>>>>>>>>>>> the Hip Hop world.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, fine since my request wasn't for you to name the current
>>> Hip
>>>>>>>>>> Hop world leader, but rather to name the objectionable rap
> stars
>>>>>>>>>> invited to the White House.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were mentioned in another post. Not of mine but right
> after
>>>>>>>>> mine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Were they? All I could find was a reference to rap "luminaries."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, that fact that it is rap music has very little to
>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I gather that it's objectionable rap music, making the
> rappers
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> unwise
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice for a Presidential invitation. I'm just asking what
> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> so unwise in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is the wordings in some of the songs. Obama is supposed to
>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> the women's president but he is inviting those who refer to
>>> women
>>>>>>>>>>> as hos and bitches to his shindigs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And has Obama issued invites to those who so refer to women? I
>>>>>>>>>> don't know since I follow neither Presidential invitations nor
>>> rap
>>>>>>>>>> music. And since you don't either, I'm assuming that it's the
>>>>>>>>>> genre you object to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Already asked and answered. Even answered right above your
>>>>>>>>> comment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Already asked and evaded, anyway. Has Obama invited anyone whose
>>>>>>>> lyrics refer to women as "hos and bitches"? I don't know. Do
> you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg - Bitches ain't shit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg Bitches ain't shit- "Bitches Ain't Shit"
>>>>>>> (feat. Snoop Dogg, Dat Nigga Daz, Kurupt, Jewel)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Snoop] Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When did Obama invite Snoop Dogg to the White House?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys complaining
> about
>>>>>>>> rap music.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stereotype much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not saying all old testy white guys complain about rap music.
>>> But
>>>>>> you two are.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't read very well.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing wrong with my reading, Sparky.
>>>>
>>>>> I was mentioning that Obama (the presidential
>>>>> candidate who supposedly supports women)
>>>>
>>>> No supposedly about it.
>>>>
>>>>> invited guys to the White House
>>>>> who sing about hoes and bitches.
>>>>
>>>> And yet I can't get you to name one of these guys.
>>>
>>> Already named two of them. JayZ and Common. Or was it Snoop Dogg and
>>> Common.
>>>
>>> GOPD&F mentions
>>>> Snoop Dogg. When did Obama invite him to the White House?
>>>>
>>>>> Saying women are good for nothing but
>>>>> screwing. I made no mention of complaining about rap music. Only
>>> some
>>>>> of the words used by those particular rappers.
>>>>
>>>> Great. Now, which of those particular rappers did Obama invite to
> the
>>>> White House?
>>>
>>> Asked and answered.
>>
>> Asked and avoided, you mean.
>
> Nope....asked....answered by another poster twice....answered by me
> later....twice. With four you get eggroll.
>
>>>>>>>> Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys complained
>>>>>>>> about rock music.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is far from your youth and rock music.
>>>>>>> These guys rob rape and murder to make their way up the chain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get a
>>>>>> grip.
>>>>>> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies violence
> and
>>>>>> misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>>>>>> squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to
>>> understand
>>>>>> that not all rap is gangsta.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's true, but those weren't the rappers we were referring to so
> get
>>>>> your ass off your high horse.
>>>>
>>>> So which objectionable rappers did Obama invite to the White House?
>>>> Seems like a simple request. For all I know there were a stream of
>>> them.
>>>
>>> I already named two of them. Let Google be your friend.
>>
>> You've named two rappers. Have either of them been invited to the
> White
>> House? The google is everybody's friend, especially to those who make
>> claims.
>
> Them you should have no problem looking them up.
>
>>>> And I'll get my ass off the place it sits when you abandon your faux
>>>> outrage.
>>>
>>> What makes you think my bitch is faux?
>>
>> I don't know your bitch. Is she a ho?
>
> Its your mother....you tell me.

I'll tell you this: my mother is dead.

RD Sandman

1/2/2013 6:24:00 PM

0

deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
news:Ct2dnb90WL2K7HnNnZ2dnUVZ5qgAAAAA@giganews.com:

> On 1/2/13 9:10 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>> news:3cKdnUZgMrHu4n7NnZ2dnUVZ5gmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 1/1/13 4:45 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in news:JMidnX76f8gF_
>>>> 37NnZ2dnUVZ5uydnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/1/13 3:11 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:f8GdncVwssPLon7NnZ2dnUVZ5sKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/1/13 2:49 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:51:27 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/31/12 11:40 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:1smdnQZu1Pgi03zNnZ2dnUVZ5hWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 4:09 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:SMKdnbX7some7X3NnZ2dnUVZ5qidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 9:31 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:hZWdnTCEFakXW0LNnZ2dnUVZ5jGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/12 8:53 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <Dev@null.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ormud89gef2ni2g7hv8oput4qb27jv1t3m@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I couldn't agree more and, on that topic, had
>> profound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misgivings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the wisdom of associating certain Hip Hop and Rap
>>>>>>>>>>>> "luminaries"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Presidential campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As do I. I don't think our president thinks very deeply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are appearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys
>> complaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> rap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> music. Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complained about rock music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pray tell. Which "Hip Hop and Rap 'luminaries'" are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't follow who Obama invites to the White House?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, not really. And I don't follow rap, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor do I.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but since I don't, and you evidently do, inform me
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the objectionable "luminaries."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't follow rap either and my comment was about who
>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>> invites to the White House, not who is currently number one
in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Hip Hop world.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, fine since my request wasn't for you to name the
current
>>>> Hip
>>>>>>>>>>> Hop world leader, but rather to name the objectionable rap
>> stars
>>>>>>>>>>> invited to the White House.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They were mentioned in another post. Not of mine but right
>> after
>>>>>>>>>> mine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Were they? All I could find was a reference to rap
"luminaries."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, that fact that it is rap music has very little
to
>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I gather that it's objectionable rap music, making the
>> rappers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>> unwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice for a Presidential invitation. I'm just asking what
>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so unwise in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the wordings in some of the songs. Obama is supposed
to
>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> the women's president but he is inviting those who refer to
>>>> women
>>>>>>>>>>>> as hos and bitches to his shindigs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And has Obama issued invites to those who so refer to women?
I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't know since I follow neither Presidential invitations
nor
>>>> rap
>>>>>>>>>>> music. And since you don't either, I'm assuming that it's the
>>>>>>>>>>> genre you object to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Already asked and answered. Even answered right above your
>>>>>>>>>> comment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Already asked and evaded, anyway. Has Obama invited anyone
whose
>>>>>>>>> lyrics refer to women as "hos and bitches"? I don't know. Do
>> you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg - Bitches ain't shit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg Bitches ain't shit- "Bitches Ain't Shit"
>>>>>>>> (feat. Snoop Dogg, Dat Nigga Daz, Kurupt, Jewel)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Snoop] Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When did Obama invite Snoop Dogg to the White House?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys complaining
>> about
>>>>>>>>> rap music.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stereotype much?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not saying all old testy white guys complain about rap music.
>>>> But
>>>>>>> you two are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't read very well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing wrong with my reading, Sparky.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was mentioning that Obama (the presidential
>>>>>> candidate who supposedly supports women)
>>>>>
>>>>> No supposedly about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> invited guys to the White House
>>>>>> who sing about hoes and bitches.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet I can't get you to name one of these guys.
>>>>
>>>> Already named two of them. JayZ and Common. Or was it Snoop Dogg
and
>>>> Common.
>>>>
>>>> GOPD&F mentions
>>>>> Snoop Dogg. When did Obama invite him to the White House?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Saying women are good for nothing but
>>>>>> screwing. I made no mention of complaining about rap music. Only
>>>> some
>>>>>> of the words used by those particular rappers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Great. Now, which of those particular rappers did Obama invite to
>> the
>>>>> White House?
>>>>
>>>> Asked and answered.
>>>
>>> Asked and avoided, you mean.
>>
>> Nope....asked....answered by another poster twice....answered by me
>> later....twice. With four you get eggroll.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys complained
>>>>>>>>> about rock music.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is far from your youth and rock music.
>>>>>>>> These guys rob rape and murder to make their way up the chain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get
a
>>>>>>> grip.
>>>>>>> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies
violence
>> and
>>>>>>> misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>>>>>>> squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to
>>>> understand
>>>>>>> that not all rap is gangsta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's true, but those weren't the rappers we were referring to so
>> get
>>>>>> your ass off your high horse.
>>>>>
>>>>> So which objectionable rappers did Obama invite to the White House?
>>>>> Seems like a simple request. For all I know there were a stream of
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> I already named two of them. Let Google be your friend.
>>>
>>> You've named two rappers. Have either of them been invited to the
>> White
>>> House? The google is everybody's friend, especially to those who
make
>>> claims.
>>
>> Them you should have no problem looking them up.
>>
>>>>> And I'll get my ass off the place it sits when you abandon your
faux
>>>>> outrage.
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think my bitch is faux?
>>>
>>> I don't know your bitch. Is she a ho?
>>
>> Its your mother....you tell me.
>
> I'll tell you this: my mother is dead.
>
>
>

That explains why I didn't get as much reaction as I usually do.

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

If law school is so hard to get through....
how come there are so many lawyers?

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

1/2/2013 6:59:00 PM

0

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:39:28 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:

>On 1/2/13 2:40 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:17:22 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/2/13 12:52 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:56:05 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get a grip.
>>>>> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies violence and
>>>>> misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>>>>> squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to understand
>>>>> that not all rap is gangsta.
>>>>
>>>> reinforcing racist stereotypes of involvement in prostitution , drug
>>>> dealing and gang murders has nothing to do with Music shocking
>>>> squares.
>>>
>>> It certainly seems to have shaken you up, Grandpa.
>>
>> Grandpa?
>
>Yeah. Just a guess, but an informed one.

Informed by what ..your total ignorance, prejudice and erroneous
assumptions?

>> "Cracker"?

>Oh, I'm sorry. Were you offended?

No.
Wryly amused by your stupidity.

>> You are a fucking idiot shooting blanks.


>
>And you are an ignoramus shooting off his mouth. You're ignorant about
>gun laws, Constitutional issues, and the technical aspects of firearms
>themselves. But that doesn't stop you from mounting your high horse of
>moral indignation and wading into the issue of gun control. Of course,
>that just allows blowhards like Scout to make a fool out of you.

Oh Sandy Hook is a technical issue for you then, that parents have no
business discussing with opposing and like minded minds alike.

Fascinating


>And now you're here bemoaning rap music and what? Presidential
>endorsement? Or something.

No.

Simply informing you of the context of the conversation you saw fit to
blunder in on, on your cloud of self-inflation and personal abuse.

Don't worry it won't happen again.

>> Obviously your mileage varies but the whole nation is shook up and
>> debating causes/cures with the exception of narcissistic nut jobs such
>> as yourself.>>
>
>Don't include yourself in the debate thing, because debate is reasoned
>and informed argument.

LOL!
What planet do you live on?

>>>> Your very language shows how dated and out of touch you are.
>>>
>>> Not my language, but my *very* language? I may be dated and out of
>>> touch, but at least I'm not whining about gangsta rap.
>>
>> "Squares"?
>
>If the quadrilateral fits, own it.
>
>>
>> Pfttttttt!!!!
>
>And here we have your most cogent argument.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Didja know that the Beatle's hypnotically rhythmic music was part of a
>>>>> Communist plot to to destroy the minds of American teenagers? I'm not
>>>>> making that up. The google is your friend.
>>>>
>>>> Try making it yours and you may come across as less of an out of touch
>>>> idiot enabling evil.
>>>>
>>>> http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/sep/13/murder-and-mayhem-chicagos-r...
>>>
>>> The Washington Times?
>>>
>>> You. are. pathetic.
>>
>> The source has some relevance to the deadness of the victims of the
>> Chicago spike in murders does it or the content of the videos?
>
>Is that a question or a declaration? Doesn't matter. Once you've
>stooped to quoting the Moonie Daily Herald, you're pretty much lost, and
>not just grammatically.

Doesn't a question mark denote a question in your world then?

Are you suggesting the videos of Joseph Coleman, guns in hand , or the
thirteen year old somehow evaporated or have no significance because
they were published by an independent photojournalist?


Peter V. Bella is a retired Chicago Police Officer, freelance
journalist and photojournalist, cook, and raconteur. He likes to be
the irreverent sharp stick that pokes, prods, and annoys. His
opinions are his and his alone. Mr. Bella is a member of the National
Press Photographers Association and the Society for Professional
Journalists.


>Yes, the victims are dead, and I'm sure their mourners are eternally
>grateful for your concern about the effects of music you don't like.
>Just as they have appreciated the long line of hand-wringing ignoramuses
>bemoaning the social state of black people.

Clearly Rosa Parks can stay at the back of the bus for you,MLK wasted
his time and nobody like Peter Bella should draw attention to what's
happening.

>> Clearly you have no interest so I will quit wasting your time.
>
>It's my time, and I'll waste it how I wish. But the choice between
>engagement and bravely running away is always yours, Brave Sir Robin.
>As is the choice between making an informed argument and whatever it is
>that you've been doing.

No shortage of pompous windbags and legends in their own minds wanting
to change the subject to their own self-importance is there?

(Mortar)

1/2/2013 9:51:00 PM

0

On 1/2/13 12:24 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
> news:Ct2dnb90WL2K7HnNnZ2dnUVZ5qgAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
>> On 1/2/13 9:10 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>> news:3cKdnUZgMrHu4n7NnZ2dnUVZ5gmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 1/1/13 4:45 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in news:JMidnX76f8gF_
>>>>> 37NnZ2dnUVZ5uydnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/1/13 3:11 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:f8GdncVwssPLon7NnZ2dnUVZ5sKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/1/13 2:49 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:51:27 -0600, deadrat <a@b.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/31/12 11:40 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:1smdnQZu1Pgi03zNnZ2dnUVZ5hWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 4:09 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:SMKdnbX7some7X3NnZ2dnUVZ5qidnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/12 9:31 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deadrat <a@b.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:hZWdnTCEFakXW0LNnZ2dnUVZ5jGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/12 8:53 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <Dev@null.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ormud89gef2ni2g7hv8oput4qb27jv1t3m@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I couldn't agree more and, on that topic, had
>>> profound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misgivings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the wisdom of associating certain Hip Hop and Rap
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "luminaries"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Presidential campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As do I. I don't think our president thinks very deeply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are appearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys
>>> complaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> music. Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complained about rock music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pray tell. Which "Hip Hop and Rap 'luminaries'" are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't follow who Obama invites to the White House?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, not really. And I don't follow rap, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor do I.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but since I don't, and you evidently do, inform me
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the objectionable "luminaries."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I don't follow rap either and my comment was about who
>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>> invites to the White House, not who is currently number one
> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Hip Hop world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, fine since my request wasn't for you to name the
> current
>>>>> Hip
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hop world leader, but rather to name the objectionable rap
>>> stars
>>>>>>>>>>>> invited to the White House.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They were mentioned in another post. Not of mine but right
>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>> mine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Were they? All I could find was a reference to rap
> "luminaries."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, that fact that it is rap music has very little
> to
>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I gather that it's objectionable rap music, making the
>>> rappers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice for a Presidential invitation. I'm just asking what
>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so unwise in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the wordings in some of the songs. Obama is supposed
> to
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the women's president but he is inviting those who refer to
>>>>> women
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as hos and bitches to his shindigs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And has Obama issued invites to those who so refer to women?
> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know since I follow neither Presidential invitations
> nor
>>>>> rap
>>>>>>>>>>>> music. And since you don't either, I'm assuming that it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>> genre you object to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Already asked and answered. Even answered right above your
>>>>>>>>>>> comment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Already asked and evaded, anyway. Has Obama invited anyone
> whose
>>>>>>>>>> lyrics refer to women as "hos and bitches"? I don't know. Do
>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg - Bitches ain't shit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr.Dre Ft. Snoop Dogg Bitches ain't shit- "Bitches Ain't Shit"
>>>>>>>>> (feat. Snoop Dogg, Dat Nigga Daz, Kurupt, Jewel)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Snoop] Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When did Obama invite Snoop Dogg to the White House?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing I like more than two old testy white guys complaining
>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> rap music.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stereotype much?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not saying all old testy white guys complain about rap music.
>>>>> But
>>>>>>>> you two are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't read very well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing wrong with my reading, Sparky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was mentioning that Obama (the presidential
>>>>>>> candidate who supposedly supports women)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No supposedly about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> invited guys to the White House
>>>>>>> who sing about hoes and bitches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet I can't get you to name one of these guys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Already named two of them. JayZ and Common. Or was it Snoop Dogg
> and
>>>>> Common.
>>>>>
>>>>> GOPD&F mentions
>>>>>> Snoop Dogg. When did Obama invite him to the White House?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Saying women are good for nothing but
>>>>>>> screwing. I made no mention of complaining about rap music. Only
>>>>> some
>>>>>>> of the words used by those particular rappers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great. Now, which of those particular rappers did Obama invite to
>>> the
>>>>>> White House?
>>>>>
>>>>> Asked and answered.
>>>>
>>>> Asked and avoided, you mean.
>>>
>>> Nope....asked....answered by another poster twice....answered by me
>>> later....twice. With four you get eggroll.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reminds me of my youth, when old testy white guys complained
>>>>>>>>>> about rock music.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is far from your youth and rock music.
>>>>>>>>> These guys rob rape and murder to make their way up the chain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, please, Grandpa, cinch your Depends a little tighter and get
> a
>>>>>>>> grip.
>>>>>>>> Who's stereotyping now? Yeah, gangsta rap glorifies
> violence
>>> and
>>>>>>>> misogyny. All generational music has some elements to shock the
>>>>>>>> squares, and from your reaction it's working. I'm given to
>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>> that not all rap is gangsta.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's true, but those weren't the rappers we were referring to so
>>> get
>>>>>>> your ass off your high horse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So which objectionable rappers did Obama invite to the White House?
>>>>>> Seems like a simple request. For all I know there were a stream of
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I already named two of them. Let Google be your friend.
>>>>
>>>> You've named two rappers. Have either of them been invited to the
>>> White
>>>> House? The google is everybody's friend, especially to those who
> make
>>>> claims.
>>>
>>> Them you should have no problem looking them up.
>>>
>>>>>> And I'll get my ass off the place it sits when you abandon your
> faux
>>>>>> outrage.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think my bitch is faux?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know your bitch. Is she a ho?
>>>
>>> Its your mother....you tell me.
>>
>> I'll tell you this: my mother is dead.
>>
>>
>>
>
> That explains why I didn't get as much reaction as I usually do.
>
But apparently you got the reaction you expected.