Asp Forum - Re: Training on the west coast?

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

9/8/2007 6:59:00 PM

Quoting Nuby Ruby <nubyruby@gmail.com>:

> Are there any good training offerings coming up on the west coast, ideally
> in either Seattle, Portland, or San Francisco?
>

If you actually live in Seattle, I think the Seattle Ruby Brigade has
some kind of training classes set up with the U of Washington. But
other than that, I don't know of any formal training. If you have
enough students, I'd imagine someone in any one of those cities would
be willing to put on a course -- I don't know about SFO, but both
Seattle and Portland (my home town) have some world-class Rubyists
walking the streets looking for ways to enhance the world. ;)

10 Answers

Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

10/17/2011 12:41:00 PM

In article
<b1d9bac5-b5b7-4cbd-ac00-70f38652d39d@g27g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
dsharavi <dsharavii@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 16, 4:27?pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> > ?drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:41:59 -0700 (PDT), HHW
> > > <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >It was perfectly clear.
> >
> > > What's gonna be perfectly clear to everyone in this group is that I'm
> > > gonna prove you a liar yet again, unless you link to your supposed
> > > "answer" to my question about the green line. You won't succeed in
> > > squirming out of it, H - you never do.
> >
> > Their big problem (aside from being uneducated, illiterate Nazis) is
> > that they don't believe Israel has the right to exist. ?That's their
> > opinion and it could be argued that they have the right to hold it.
> >
> > But rather than seeking to change opinion into reality (by, for example,
> > seeking change of law through elected representatives), they attempt to
> > twist law so that it fits in with their opinion. ? In other words, they
> > seek to create their own reality by repetition, abuse and bullying. ?
> > This is why they can't win, and this is why you have singlehandedly been
> > kicking the living shit out of them here on uk.politics.misc for the
> > past couple of months.
> >
> > It is something akin to the man who decides that he wants to commit
> > murder, and then who refuses to acknowledge the juridisction of the
> > court which tries him for it. ?Right up to the point when he's being
> > dragged out of the court to begin his life sentence, he's railing and
> > screaming that he isn't bound by law, and that he can do whatever he
> > wants. ?
> >
> > One such man is this -
> >
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_B...
> >
> > He freely admits killing 77 people, but 'denies criminal culpability'. ?
> > As if the law didn't apply to him. ?As if he had rights that the rest of
> > us don't. ?
> >
> > As far as Israel is concerned, public international law is clear.
> > 120,466 km2 were originally attributed to the Jews post-Mandate. ?
> > 28,166 km2 of land along the West Bank of the River Jordan was
> > attributed to the Jews in 1922 - a reduction of 77%. ?This land
> > stretched from Metulla in the north, all the way to Aqaba in the south,
> > and included the entire Mediterranean coast, from Rafah in the south, to
> > around 35-40 miles north of Haifa. ?
> >
> > This area was decided upon by the League of Nations on 16 September 1922
> > - a decision which itself ratified the result of the 1920 San Remo
> > Conference (further codified by the Treaty of S?vres on August 10, 1920) ?
> > according Jews the right to 'close settlement' of the entire land of
> > Israel. ?This is Law. ?It has _never_ been rescinded or altered by any
> > competent organ. ?
> >
> > The word 'Palestine' is indeed a Roman word. ?As Arabic has no 'p'
> > sound, it cannot be an Arabic word - they call it 'Falastin'. ?The word
> > came into being _circa_ 135 CE when the Romans expelled most of the Jews
> > from Judea, after the Jewish revolts there. ? Now we see that Abbas is
> > claiming that the Fakestinians are 'descended from the Philistines'. ?
> > Heh, we even saw Nazi Paula make that same claim a few weeks ago. ?The
> > big problem with that is the Philistines were an Aegean people who
> > settled on the ?coast of Canaan. ?The Aegean sea is located between
> > Greece and Turkey, so if the Fakies are 'descended from Philistines',
> > then they have even less right to be in Israel, as they're not even from
> > Arabia.
> >
> > In fact, they're not descended from the Philistines at alL. ?They are
> > Arabs from 'Suriyya al- Kubra' (Greater Syria - which included parts of
> > Jordan) who did not utter a peep about '"Palestinian" [sic] nationalism'
> > during 1,300 years of Arab and Ottoman rule. ?And when they were
> > defeated by Jews, their ego took a knock.
> >
> > <http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2009/02/israel_it_is_not_abou...
> > .html>
> >
> > These are the cold, hard, historical facts but as usual, you are
> > experiencing the Naziboi experience when trying to engage in rational
> > debate with two moronic Nazis whose knowledge of international law is
> > roughly equivalent to my knowledge of astrophysics. ?So it goes ..
> >
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'Could you tell me in what way they are "illegal"?'
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'Well, so you say, but how are they "illegal"?'
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'They're not, actually; ?I shall explain -'
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'No, the law in this case is clear. ?Allow me to - '
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'You see, the principle is that which is not illegal -'
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> >
> > And so on.
> >
> > No point, really. ?

> EXCELLENT post, Yitz. Awesome. I don't think, however, that these
> clones should be designated as "Nazis". They're more the sort Nazis
> would have gassed as mental defectives.

Thanks, Deborah. It would have been longer, but between '120,466 km2'
and '28,166 km2', I realised it was getting late, so had to reduce the
post. :-)

I've been on Usenet a long time ago, and years ago, came to the
conclusion that it's pointless to try debating with morons more than,
say, forty-eight hours. After that, just ridicule them.

Y.

--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by G-d
Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its
legitimacy' (Golda Meir (1898 - 1978))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspo...
<http://www.jihadwatc...
<http://www.palwatc...

Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

10/17/2011 12:48:00 PM

In article <yitzhak-04FE0F.13410717102011@news.x-privat.org>,
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitzhak@yahoo.fr> wrote:

> I've been on Usenet a long time ago

'... a long time _now_'.

Y.

--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by G-d
Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its
legitimacy' (Golda Meir (1898 - 1978))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspo...
<http://www.jihadwatc...
<http://www.palwatc...

HHW

10/19/2011 10:33:00 PM

On Oct 16, 6:27 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> In article <4cgm97l3miqfdsfktolo2u8kggorn9l...@4ax.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:41:59 -0700 (PDT), HHW
> > <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >On Oct 8, 9:07 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > >> On 08 Oct 2011 04:07:30 GMT, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
> > >> >Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >>On Oct 4, 9:15 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> On Oct 1, 9:53 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> > >>>>On Sep 22, 7:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur
> > >> >>> > >>>><wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
> > >> >>> > The Green Line is merely the armistice line of 1949. Things have
> > >> >>> > changed a bit since 1949.
>
> > >> >>> What would one expect from a Zionist fanatic. There is no other line
> > >> >>> which makes sense.
>
> > >> >>That's what one of the sides says.
> > >> >>But there are two sides here.
>
> > >> >The other side says that the border should be with Jordan.
>
> > >> Please learn to speak English before posting.
>
> > >It was perfectly clear.
>
> > What's gonna be perfectly clear to everyone in this group is that I'm
> > gonna prove you a liar yet again, unless you link to your supposed
> > "answer" to my question about the green line. You won't succeed in
> > squirming out of it, H - you never do.

Do your best.

> Their big problem (aside from being uneducated, illiterate Nazis) is
> that they don't believe Israel has the right to exist.

If the Zionists took Massachusetts from its residents instead of
Palestine from the Palestinians, and named it Israel, would it have a
right to exist as a Jewish state? I hope you will say "no" and tell us
why.

That's their
> opinion and it could be argued that they have the right to hold it.

The Israelis behave as if only their "rights" are relevant. You people
never argue that it is *justified* to punish Palestinians for the
crimes of the Christian czars and the various Hitlers. Why? Because
you simply can't get away with it. It's obviously a fallacious and
racist position. You know it. When you accuse people here of being
Nazis, more often than not you are simply playing the Holocaust card,
relying on presumed sympathy and assumed guilt by Americans. More and
more, however, Americans are rejecting those absurdities. Face it,
Yitzhak, you're not special. You have to abide by the same rules as
the rest of it.

>
> But rather than seeking to change opinion into reality (by, for example,
> seeking change of law through elected representatives), they attempt to
> twist law so that it fits in with their opinion. In other words, they
> seek to create their own reality by repetition, abuse and bullying.

How odd, this is exactly the method used by the Israel Lobby to
oppress our Congress on Middle East policy. Have you read "The Israel
Lobby and American Foreign Policy" by Professors Mearsheim and Walt?

> This is why they can't win, and this is why you have singlehandedly been
> kicking the living shit out of them here on uk.politics.misc for the
> past couple of months.

If you're speaking of sharavi you're off in the fog.

> It is something akin to the man who decides that he wants to commit
> murder, and then who refuses to acknowledge the juridisction of the
> court which tries him for it. Right up to the point when he's being
> dragged out of the court to begin his life sentence, he's railing and
> screaming that he isn't bound by law, and that he can do whatever he
> wants.

Refusing to acknowledge the application of the law, a part of which is
jurisdictional, is precisely what Israel does when it uses the
techniques of Holocaust Industry (see the book of that title by Norman
Finkelstein)and lays claims to fundamental rights other human beings
don't have, like the right to ethnically cleanse a land's people and
to expect the rest of the world to acquiesce simply because the perps
are Jewish and on another continent at another time Jews had been
persecuted.

You've got a long way to go to convince people that you know anything
about the relevant law.

>
> One such man is this -
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_B...
>
> He freely admits killing 77 people, but 'denies criminal culpability'.
> As if the law didn't apply to him. As if he had rights that the rest of
> us don't.

At present I can think of no modern nation which disregards human
rights and international law so systematically and with such an
arrogant claim of right as does Israel. How about you?

>
> As far as Israel is concerned, public international law is clear.
> 120,466 km2 were originally attributed to the Jews post-Mandate.
> 28,166 km2 of land along the West Bank of the River Jordan was
> attributed to the Jews in 1922 - a reduction of 77%. This land
> stretched from Metulla in the north, all the way to Aqaba in the south,
> and included the entire Mediterranean coast, from Rafah in the south, to
> around 35-40 miles north of Haifa.

Citation please?
>
> This area was decided upon by the League of Nations on 16 September 1922
> - a decision which itself ratified the result of the 1920 San Remo
> Conference (further codified by the Treaty of Sèvres on August 10, 1920)
> according Jews the right to 'close settlement' of the entire land of
> Israel. This is Law. It has _never_ been rescinded or altered by any
> competent organ.

Citation please?

>
> The word 'Palestine' is indeed a Roman word. As Arabic has no 'p'
> sound, it cannot be an Arabic word - they call it 'Falastin'. The word
> came into being _circa_ 135 CE when the Romans expelled most of the Jews
> from Judea, after the Jewish revolts there.

That DID NOT happen: see Shlomo Sand's book about the early Zionist
invention of the "Jewish People". He's an Israeli.

Now we see that Abbas is
> claiming that the Fakestinians are 'descended from the Philistines'.
> Heh, we even saw Nazi Paula make that same claim a few weeks ago. The
> big problem with that is the Philistines were an Aegean people who
> settled on the coast of Canaan. The Aegean sea is located between
> Greece and Turkey, so if the Fakies are 'descended from Philistines',
> then they have even less right to be in Israel, as they're not even from
> Arabia.

Your problem is that you hope to vindicate a 2,000 year-old claim to
another people's homeland. There is no such cause of action anywhere
in the law. Accordingly you base it on emotion and that adds up to the
Holocaust, etc., for which neither Americans nor Palestinians are
responsible.

> In fact, they're not descended from the Philistines at alL. They are
> Arabs from 'Suriyya al- Kubra' (Greater Syria - which included parts of
> Jordan) who did not utter a peep about '"Palestinian" [sic] nationalism'
> during 1,300 years of Arab and Ottoman rule. And when they were
> defeated by Jews, their ego took a knock.

Palestine's Jews migrated to greener pastures. That pattern began 200
years before the war with the Romans. They were not exiled by the
Romans. That idea is absurd and it's proved by Professor Sand. By
moving to other lands dthey in effect renounced their claim to land in
Palestine. Read the damned book. Shlomo Sand.

>
> <http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2009/02/israel_it_is_not_abou...
> .html>
>
> These are the cold, hard, historical facts but as usual, you are
> experiencing the Naziboi experience when trying to engage in rational
> debate with two moronic Nazis whose knowledge of international law is
> roughly equivalent to my knowledge of astrophysics. So it goes ..

Cold, hard confusion is what you display.

>
> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> 'Could you tell me in what way they are "illegal"?'
> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> 'Well, so you say, but how are they "illegal"?'
> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> 'They're not, actually; I shall explain -'
> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> 'No, the law in this case is clear. Allow me to - '
> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> 'You see, the principle is that which is not illegal -'
> 'illegal settlements!!!'

International law forbids those settlements. It also forbids the
Occupation. Where have you been. Why don't you look it up? If you
admit that you, the legal expert, can't find it, perhaps I'll give you
a hint or two.
>
> And so on.
>
> No point, really.
>
> Y.
>
> --
> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> 'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by G-d
> Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its
> legitimacy' (Golda Meir (1898 - 1978))
> <http://elderofziyon.blogspo...
> <http://www.jihadwatc...
> <http://www.palwatc...

dsharavi

10/20/2011 12:28:00 AM

On Oct 19, 3:32 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 6:27 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> > drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > > HHW
> > > <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >On Oct 8, 9:07 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > > >> On 08 Oct 2011 04:07:30 GMT, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> > > >> >Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>On Oct 4, 9:15 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> On Oct 1, 9:53 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> > The Green Line is merely the armistice line of 1949. Things have
> > > >> >>> > changed a bit since 1949.

> > > >> >>> What would one expect from a Zionist fanatic. There is no other line
> > > >> >>> which makes sense.

The armistice lines are also referred to as "suicide lines".

> > > What's gonna be perfectly clear to everyone in this group is that I'm
> > > gonna prove you a liar yet again, unless you link to your supposed
> > > "answer" to my question about the green line. You won't succeed in
> > > squirming out of it, H - you never do.

> Do your best.

It''s too easy.

> If the Zionists took Massachusetts from its residents instead of
> Palestine from the Palestinians,

"Zionists":didn't take "Palestine" from the so-called "Palestinians."

[flush bs]
> > It is something akin to the man who decides that he wants to commit
> > murder, and then who refuses to acknowledge the juridisction of the
> > court which tries him for it. Right up to the point when he's being
> > dragged out of the court to begin his life sentence, he's railing and
> > screaming that he isn't bound by law, and that he can do whatever he
> > wants.
>
> Refusing to acknowledge the application of the law, a part of which is
> jurisdictional, is precisely what Israel does

Yeah, right.

>Norman Finkelstein

A braying jackass.

> You've got a long way to go to convince people that you know anything
> about the relevant law.

So does a hick lawyer from a town located in the back of beyond, whose
residents number fewer people than my high school had.

> > One such man is this -
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_B...
> > He freely admits killing 77 people, but 'denies criminal culpability'.
> > As if the law didn't apply to him. As if he had rights that the rest of
> > us don't.
>
> At present I can think of no modern nation which disregards human
> rights and international law so systematically and with such an
> arrogant claim of right as does Israel. How about you?

Another braying jackass.

> > As far as Israel is concerned, public international law is clear.
> > 120,466 km2 were originally attributed to the Jews post-Mandate.
> > 28,166 km2 of land along the West Bank of the River Jordan was
> > attributed to the Jews in 1922 - a reduction of 77%. This land
> > stretched from Metulla in the north, all the way to Aqaba in the south,
> > and included the entire Mediterranean coast, from Rafah in the south, to
> > around 35-40 miles north of Haifa.
>
> Citation please?

lol
"Look it up yourself, I don't run errands for you."

> > This area was decided upon by the League of Nations on 16 September 1922
> > - a decision which itself ratified the result of the 1920 San Remo
> > Conference (further codified by the Treaty of Sèvres on August 10, 1920)
> > according Jews the right to 'close settlement' of the entire land of
> > Israel. This is Law. It has _never_ been rescinded or altered by any
> > competent organ.

> Citation please?

lol
"Look it up yourself, I don't run errands for you."

> > The word 'Palestine' is indeed a Roman word. As Arabic has no 'p'
> > sound, it cannot be an Arabic word - they call it 'Falastin'. The word
> > came into being _circa_ 135 CE when the Romans expelled most of the Jews
> > from Judea, after the Jewish revolts there.

> That DID NOT happen:

The Romans did indeed expel most of the Jews from Judea.

> see Shlomo Sand's book about the early Zionist
> invention of the "Jewish People". He's an Israeli.

Sand, the prof of film history, was debunked by genetics last year.

"In June 2010, genetic research supervised by geneticist Harry Ostrer
of the New York University School of Medicine, and published in the
American Journal of Human Genetics, led to a whole series of
journalistic comments on Sand's book. An article in Newsweek titled
"The DNA of Abraham's Children" challenges through genetic analysis
Sand's assertion that modern European Jews are descended from Khazars,
a Turkic group: "The DNA has spoken: no." This study and other similar
genetic studies, Newsweek writes, undermine rather than support Sand's
position, showing instead how modern Jewish genes can be traced back
to a common people of Middle East origin. A New York Times article on
the same studies notes they "refute the suggestion made last year by
the historian Shlomo Sand in his book The Invention of the Jewish
People that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people
in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times".
Similarly, an article in Science states that Sand's hypotheses "clash
with several recent studies suggesting that Jewishness, including the
Ashkenazi version, has deep genetic roots". According to Sarah
Tishkoff, a geneticist at the University of Pennsylvania, Ostrer's
study "clearly shows a genetic common ancestry of all Jewish
populations."

> > Now we see that Abbas is
> > claiming that the Fakestinians are 'descended from the Philistines'.
> > Heh, we even saw Nazi Paula make that same claim a few weeks ago. The
> > big problem with that is the Philistines were an Aegean people who
> > settled on the coast of Canaan. The Aegean sea is located between
> > Greece and Turkey, so if the Fakies are 'descended from Philistines',
> > then they have even less right to be in Israel, as they're not even from
> > Arabia.

> Your problem is that you hope to vindicate a 2,000 year-old claim to
> another people's homeland. There is no such cause of action anywhere
> in the law.

Fakestinians are indeed basing their claim on ancient history, even to
the point of claiming they are really Jews, instead of Muslims --
having previously unloaded their Philistine ancestry talke, and their
Canaanite ancestry tale.

> Accordingly you base it on emotion and that adds up to the
> Holocaust, etc., for which neither Americans nor Palestinians are
> responsible.

Guess again, O ye of senile brain.

> > In fact, they're not descended from the Philistines at alL. They are
> > Arabs from 'Suriyya al- Kubra' (Greater Syria - which included parts of
> > Jordan) who did not utter a peep about '"Palestinian" [sic] nationalism'
> > during 1,300 years of Arab and Ottoman rule. And when they were
> > defeated by Jews, their ego took a knock.
>
> Palestine's Jews migrated to greener pastures. That pattern began 200
> years before the war with the Romans. They were not exiled by the
> Romans. That idea is absurd and it's proved by Professor Sand.

Sand's expertise is in film history and French lit. Pull your head out
of his butthole. His idiotic notions have been thoroughly debunked.

>Read the damned book.

If I want fantasy, I'll read The Once And Future King, the Hobbit, or
the Pliocene Exile series.

>Shlomo Sand ....

..... is another asshole cashing in on the bash Israel/Jews goldmine.

> > These are the cold, hard, historical facts but as usual, you are
> > experiencing the Naziboi experience when trying to engage in rational
> > debate with two moronic Nazis whose knowledge of international law is
> > roughly equivalent to my knowledge of astrophysics. So it goes ..

> Cold, hard confusion is what you display.

Nope. Your knowledge of international law is sketchy, at best, like
your knowledge of history..

> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'Could you tell me in what way they are "illegal"?'
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'Well, so you say, but how are they "illegal"?'
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'They're not, actually; I shall explain -'
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'No, the law in this case is clear. Allow me to - '
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > 'You see, the principle is that which is not illegal -'
> > 'illegal settlements!!!'

> International law forbids those settlements. It also forbids the
> Occupation. Where have you been. Why don't you look it up? If you
> admit that you, the legal expert, can't find it, perhaps I'll give you
> a hint or two.

That would be like the blind leading the sighted.

"Jews have lived in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and the Gaza
Strip throughout recorded history, until the 1948 War of Independence,
when they were forced to flee the invading Arab armies."

"In Hebron, the Jewish community existed throughout the centuries of
Ottoman rule, until the massacre during the Arab rioting of 1929."

"In fact,the Mandate called for Jewish settlement in all of the areas
under British control including the almost 80% of the Mandate land
that the British gave to create Trans-Jordan and prohibited Jewish
settlement there."

"There never was a Palestine or other country that Israel invaded and
“stole the land”
There had been Jewish communities and dwellers in the West Bank long
before 1967 or even 1948."

"Hebron and Gush Etzion, both sites of massacres by Palestinian Arabs
in which large numbers of Jews were killed. Kfar Etzion and other
villages in the Jerusalem-Bethlehem corridor, fell to Arab forces in
May 1948 and those captured were massacred. Sons and daughters of Jews
who lived there until 1948 were the first to return after the 1967
war. Why prohibit former residents or their families from returning?"

"The so-called West Bank, according to the Bible and tradition,
represents the cradle of Jewish civilization, and some Jews, driven by
faith and history, wanted to reassert that link. The area was called
Judea and Samaria, its name in the Bible, up until 1950 when Jordan,
an Arab country created arbitrarily by the British out of 77% of the
Mandate for Palestine, annexed it and called it the West Bank."

Deborah

drahcir

10/20/2011 1:15:00 PM

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT), HHW
<coaster132000@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Oct 16, 6:27?pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> In article <4cgm97l3miqfdsfktolo2u8kggorn9l...@4ax.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:41:59 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>> > <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >On Oct 8, 9:07?am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> > >> On 08 Oct 2011 04:07:30 GMT, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>> > >> >Zev ?<zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>On Oct 4, 9:15 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>> On Oct 1, 9:53 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>> > >>>>On Sep 22, 7:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur
>> > >> >>> > >>>><wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>> > >> >>> > The Green Line is merely the armistice line of 1949. Things have
>> > >> >>> > changed a bit since 1949.
>>
>> > >> >>> What would one expect from a Zionist fanatic. There is no other line
>> > >> >>> which makes sense.
>>
>> > >> >>That's what one of the sides says.
>> > >> >>But there are two sides here.
>>
>> > >> >The other side says that the border should be with Jordan.
>>
>> > >> Please learn to speak English before posting.
>>
>> > >It was perfectly clear.
>>
>> > What's gonna be perfectly clear to everyone in this group is that I'm
>> > gonna prove you a liar yet again, unless you link to your supposed
>> > "answer" to my question about the green line. You won't succeed in
>> > squirming out of it, H - you never do.
>
>Do your best.

Hi H! Nice day today, eh?

So, is it reasonable from your inability to provide a link to your
supposed answer to my question to you about the green line to conclude
that you lied when you said you answered it?

>
>> Their big problem (aside from being uneducated, illiterate Nazis) is
>> that they don't believe Israel has the right to exist.
>
>If the Zionists took Massachusetts from its residents instead of
>Palestine from the Palestinians, and named it Israel, would it have a
>right to exist as a Jewish state? I hope you will say "no" and tell us
>why.
>
>?That's their
>> opinion and it could be argued that they have the right to hold it.
>
>The Israelis behave as if only their "rights" are relevant. You people
>never argue that it is *justified* to punish Palestinians for the
>crimes of the Christian czars and the various Hitlers. Why? Because
>you simply can't get away with it. It's obviously a fallacious and
>racist position. You know it. When you accuse people here of being
>Nazis, more often than not you are simply playing the Holocaust card,
>relying on presumed sympathy and assumed guilt by Americans. More and
>more, however, Americans are rejecting those absurdities. Face it,
>Yitzhak, you're not special. You have to abide by the same rules as
>the rest of it.
>
>
>>
>> But rather than seeking to change opinion into reality (by, for example,
>> seeking change of law through elected representatives), they attempt to
>> twist law so that it fits in with their opinion. ? In other words, they
>> seek to create their own reality by repetition, abuse and bullying.
>
>How odd, this is exactly the method used by the Israel Lobby to
>oppress our Congress on Middle East policy. Have you read "The Israel
>Lobby and American Foreign Policy" by Professors Mearsheim and Walt?
>
> ?
>> This is why they can't win, and this is why you have singlehandedly been
>> kicking the living shit out of them here on uk.politics.misc for the
>> past couple of months.
>
>If you're speaking of sharavi you're off in the fog.
>
>> It is something akin to the man who decides that he wants to commit
>> murder, and then who refuses to acknowledge the juridisction of the
>> court which tries him for it. ?Right up to the point when he's being
>> dragged out of the court to begin his life sentence, he's railing and
>> screaming that he isn't bound by law, and that he can do whatever he
>> wants.
>
>Refusing to acknowledge the application of the law, a part of which is
>jurisdictional, is precisely what Israel does when it uses the
>techniques of Holocaust Industry (see the book of that title by Norman
>Finkelstein)and lays claims to fundamental rights other human beings
>don't have, like the right to ethnically cleanse a land's people and
>to expect the rest of the world to acquiesce simply because the perps
>are Jewish and on another continent at another time Jews had been
>persecuted.
>
>You've got a long way to go to convince people that you know anything
>about the relevant law.
>
>?
>>
>> One such man is this -
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_B...
>>
>> He freely admits killing 77 people, but 'denies criminal culpability'. ?
>> As if the law didn't apply to him. ?As if he had rights that the rest of
>> us don't.
>
>At present I can think of no modern nation which disregards human
>rights and international law so systematically and with such an
>arrogant claim of right as does Israel. How about you?
> ?
>>
>> As far as Israel is concerned, public international law is clear.
>> 120,466 km2 were originally attributed to the Jews post-Mandate. ?
>> 28,166 km2 of land along the West Bank of the River Jordan was
>> attributed to the Jews in 1922 - a reduction of 77%. ?This land
>> stretched from Metulla in the north, all the way to Aqaba in the south,
>> and included the entire Mediterranean coast, from Rafah in the south, to
>> around 35-40 miles north of Haifa.
>
>Citation please? ?
>>
>> This area was decided upon by the League of Nations on 16 September 1922
>> - a decision which itself ratified the result of the 1920 San Remo
>> Conference (further codified by the Treaty of S?vres on August 10, 1920) ?
>> according Jews the right to 'close settlement' of the entire land of
>> Israel. ?This is Law. ?It has _never_ been rescinded or altered by any
>> competent organ.
>
>Citation please?
>
>?
>>
>> The word 'Palestine' is indeed a Roman word. ?As Arabic has no 'p'
>> sound, it cannot be an Arabic word - they call it 'Falastin'. ?The word
>> came into being _circa_ 135 CE when the Romans expelled most of the Jews
>> from Judea, after the Jewish revolts there.
>
>That DID NOT happen: see Shlomo Sand's book about the early Zionist
>invention of the "Jewish People". He's an Israeli.
>
>
> ? Now we see that Abbas is
>> claiming that the Fakestinians are 'descended from the Philistines'. ?
>> Heh, we even saw Nazi Paula make that same claim a few weeks ago. ?The
>> big problem with that is the Philistines were an Aegean people who
>> settled on the ?coast of Canaan. ?The Aegean sea is located between
>> Greece and Turkey, so if the Fakies are 'descended from Philistines',
>> then they have even less right to be in Israel, as they're not even from
>> Arabia.
>
>Your problem is that you hope to vindicate a 2,000 year-old claim to
>another people's homeland. There is no such cause of action anywhere
>in the law. Accordingly you base it on emotion and that adds up to the
>Holocaust, etc., for which neither Americans nor Palestinians are
>responsible.
>
>> In fact, they're not descended from the Philistines at alL. ?They are
>> Arabs from 'Suriyya al- Kubra' (Greater Syria - which included parts of
>> Jordan) who did not utter a peep about '"Palestinian" [sic] nationalism'
>> during 1,300 years of Arab and Ottoman rule. ?And when they were
>> defeated by Jews, their ego took a knock.
>
>Palestine's Jews migrated to greener pastures. That pattern began 200
>years before the war with the Romans. They were not exiled by the
>Romans. That idea is absurd and it's proved by Professor Sand. By
>moving to other lands dthey in effect renounced their claim to land in
>Palestine. Read the damned book. Shlomo Sand.
>
>
>>
>> <http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2009/02/israel_it_is_not_abou...
>> .html>
>>
>> These are the cold, hard, historical facts but as usual, you are
>> experiencing the Naziboi experience when trying to engage in rational
>> debate with two moronic Nazis whose knowledge of international law is
>> roughly equivalent to my knowledge of astrophysics. ?So it goes ..
>
>Cold, hard confusion is what you display.
>
>
>
>>
>> 'illegal settlements!!!'
>> 'Could you tell me in what way they are "illegal"?'
>> 'illegal settlements!!!'
>> 'Well, so you say, but how are they "illegal"?'
>> 'illegal settlements!!!'
>> 'They're not, actually; ?I shall explain -'
>> 'illegal settlements!!!'
>> 'No, the law in this case is clear. ?Allow me to - '
>> 'illegal settlements!!!'
>> 'You see, the principle is that which is not illegal -'
>> 'illegal settlements!!!'
>
>International law forbids those settlements. It also forbids the
>Occupation. Where have you been. Why don't you look it up? If you
>admit that you, the legal expert, can't find it, perhaps I'll give you
>a hint or two.
>>
>> And so on.
>>
>> No point, really. ?
>>
>> Y.
>>
>> --
>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
>> ? 'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by G-d
>> ? Himself. ?It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its
>> ? legitimacy' (Golda Meir (1898 - 1978))
>> <http://elderofziyon.blogspo...
>> <http://www.jihadwatc...
>> <http://www.palwatc...

drahcir

10/20/2011 1:22:00 PM

Here's a link to your lie:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/5226e610d3e3...

dsharavi

10/20/2011 6:41:00 PM

On Oct 20, 9:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 16, 6:27 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> In article <4cgm97l3miqfdsfktolo2u8kggorn9l...@4ax.com>,
> >> drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:41:59 -0700 (PDT), HHW
> >> > <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >On Oct 8, 9:07 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> > >> On 08 Oct 2011 04:07:30 GMT, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
> >> > >> >Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >>On Oct 4, 9:15 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >>> On Oct 1, 9:53 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >>> > >>>>On Sep 22, 7:59 am, ColdWarDinosaur
> >> > >> >>> > >>>><wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
> >> > >> >>> > The Green Line is merely the armistice line of 1949. Things have
> >> > >> >>> > changed a bit since 1949.
>
> >> > >> >>> What would one expect from a Zionist fanatic. There is no other line
> >> > >> >>> which makes sense.
>
> >> > >> >>That's what one of the sides says.
> >> > >> >>But there are two sides here.
>
> >> > >> >The other side says that the border should be with Jordan.
>
> >> > >> Please learn to speak English before posting.
>
> >> > >It was perfectly clear.
>
> >> > What's gonna be perfectly clear to everyone in this group is that I'm
> >> > gonna prove you a liar yet again, unless you link to your supposed
> >> > "answer" to my question about the green line. You won't succeed in
> >> > squirming out of it, H - you never do.
>
> > Do your best.
>
> >> Their big problem (aside from being uneducated, illiterate Nazis) is
> >> that they don't believe Israel has the right to exist.
> > If the Zionists took Massachusetts from its residents instead of
> > Palestine from the Palestinians, and named it Israel, would it have a
> > right to exist as a Jewish state? I hope you will say "no" and tell us
> > why.
>
> <http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-ma...
>
> > That's their
> >> opinion and it could be argued that they have the right to hold it.
>
> > The Israelis behave as if only their "rights" are relevant. i
>
> You get more and more pathetic and ridiculous the more you get hammered.
>
> > You people
> > never argue that it is *justified* to punish Palestinians for the
> > crimes of the Christian czars and the various Hitlers. Why? Because
> > you simply can't get away with it. It's obviously a fallacious and
>
> You do not know what 'fallacious' means.
>
> > racist position.
>
> Since when have the Fakestinians been 'a race'?
>
> > You know it.
>
> Don't tell me what I 'know', Nazi.
>
> > When you accuse people here of being
> > Nazis, more often than not you are simply
>
> stating the truth.
>
> { snip Nazi rant }
>
> >> But rather than seeking to change opinion into reality (by, for example,
> >> seeking change of law through elected representatives), they attempt to
> >> twist law so that it fits in with their opinion. In other words, they
> >> seek to create their own reality by repetition, abuse and bullying.
>
> > How odd, this is exactly the method used by the Israel Lobby to
> > oppress our Congress on Middle East policy. Have you read "The Israel
> > Lobby and American Foreign Policy" by Professors Mearsheim and Walt?
>
> An anti-Semitic canard always has a retard to champion it. Guess who this
> one has...
>
> >
> >> This is why they can't win, and this is why you have singlehandedly been
> >> kicking the living shit out of them here on uk.politics.misc for the
> >> past couple of months.
>
> > If you're speaking of sharavi you're off in the fog.
>
> Continue to tell yourself that you're somehow 'winning' or impressing
> anyone, if that comforts you. The rest of us will just enjoy the spectacle
> of your being thrashed.
>
> >> It is something akin to the man who decides that he wants to commit
> >> murder, and then who refuses to acknowledge the juridisction of the
> >> court which tries him for it. Right up to the point when he's being
> >> dragged out of the court to begin his life sentence, he's railing and
> >> screaming that he isn't bound by law, and that he can do whatever he
> >> wants.
> > Refusing to acknowledge the application of the law, a part of which is
> > jurisdictional, is precisely what Israel does when it uses the
> > techniques of Holocaust Industry (see the book of that title by Norman
> > Finkelstein)and lays claims to fundamental rights other human beings
> > don't have, like the right to ethnically cleanse a land's people and
>
> '... the Fakestinian population has continued to explode. In Gaza, for
> example, the population increased from 731,000 in July 1994 to
> 1,324,991 in 2004, an increase of 81 percent. The growth rate was 3.8
> percent, one of the highest in the world. According to the UN, the
> total Fakestinian population in all the disputed territories (they
> include Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem) was 1,006,000 in 1950,
> and rose to 1,094,000 in 1970, and exploded to 2,152,000 in 1990.
> Anthony Cordesman notes the increase "was the result of improvements in
> income and health services" made by Israel. The Fakestinian population
> has continued to grow exponentially and was estimated in 2004 at more
> than 3.6 million...'
> <http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf18....
>
> > to expect the rest of the world to acquiesce simply because the perps
> > are Jewish and on another continent at another time Jews had been
> > persecuted.
>
> There really is no point in entering into a conversation with someone who
> believes that there is such a thing as 'Holocaust Industry'.
>
> > You've got a long way to go to convince people that you know anything
> > about the relevant law.
>
> Whereas you have a long way to go to convince anyone you know _anything_
> about law.
>
> >> One such man is this -
>
> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_B...
>
> >> He freely admits killing 77 people, but 'denies criminal culpability'.
> >> As if the law didn't apply to him. As if he had rights that the rest of
> >> us don't.
>
> > At present I can think of no modern nation which disregards human
> > rights and international law so systematically and with such an
> > arrogant claim of right as does Israel. How about you?
>
> At present, you are a Nazi wankstain whose opinion matters less than does
> that of the shit I flushed down the toilet this morning. How about you
> tell us in what way Israel 'disregards human rights and international law'.
> You can start by listing the 'human rights and international law', and then
> tell us how Israel 'disregards' them.
>
> >> As far as Israel is concerned, public international law is clear.
> >> 120,466 km2 were originally attributed to the Jews post-Mandate.
> >> 28,166 km2 of land along the West Bank of the River Jordan was
> >> attributed to the Jews in 1922 - a reduction of 77%. This land
> >> stretched from Metulla in the north, all the way to Aqaba in the south,
> >> and included the entire Mediterranean coast, from Rafah in the south, to
> >> around 35-40 miles north of Haifa.
>
> > Citation please?
>
> I have already cited the source: San Remo Conference of 1920, Treaty of
> S?¨res and the League of Nations (the second and third-named in 1922).
>
> >> This area was decided upon by the League of Nations on 16 September 1922
> >> - a decision which itself ratified the result of the 1920 San Remo
> >> Conference (further codified by the Treaty of Sèvres on August 10, 1920)
> >> according Jews the right to 'close settlement' of the entire land of
> >> Israel. This is Law. It has _never_ been rescinded or altered by any
> >> competent organ.
>
> > Citation please?
>
> 'Citation' of what, you moronic cunt? That a law has never been rescinded?
> LMAO!! You fucking retard. One does not 'cite' a negative, you _dick_.
>
> >> The word 'Palestine' is indeed a Roman word. As Arabic has no 'p'
> >> sound, it cannot be an Arabic word - they call it 'Falastin'. The word
> >> came into being _circa_ 135 CE when the Romans expelled most of the Jews
> >> from Judea, after the Jewish revolts there.
>
> > That DID NOT happen: see Shlomo Sand's book about the early Zionist
> > invention of the "Jewish People". He's an Israeli.
>
> Deborah has dealt with this 'book'. Do not quote it again.
>
> > Now we see that Abbas is
> >> claiming that the Fakestinians are 'descended from the Philistines'.
> >> Heh, we even saw Nazi Paula make that same claim a few weeks ago. The
> >> big problem with that is the Philistines were an Aegean people who
> >> settled on the coast of Canaan. The Aegean sea is located between
> >> Greece and Turkey, so if the Fakies are 'descended from Philistines',
> >> then they have even less right to be in Israel, as they're not even from
> >> Arabia.
>
> > Your problem is that you hope to vindicate a 2,000 year-old claim to
> > another people's homeland.
>
> See what I mean, Deborah? There's really no point in interacting in any
> way, other than to mock and - if possible - shoot dead morons like this.
> The falsity of the Fakies' claim has been laid bare here on
> uk.politics.misc on probably _thousands_ of occasions. What does this
> basketcase do? He refers to it as if it hadn't.

It's his MO. He makes sweeping, unfounded claims; facts are presented
which refute his looney tunes; he insults, then runs away. A while
later, he returns, and the whole thing stars over from the beginning.
He simply can't bear facts which refute his distorted views of
reality.

> > There is no such cause of action anywhere
> > in the law. Accordingly you base it on emotion and that adds up to the
> > Holocaust, etc., for which neither Americans nor Palestinians are
> > responsible.
>
> <http://jssnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/grand_mufti_ahitl...
>
> >> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> >> 'Well, so you say, but how are they "illegal"?'
> >> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> >> 'They're not, actually; I shall explain -'
> >> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> >> 'No, the law in this case is clear. Allow me to - '
> >> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> >> 'You see, the principle is that which is not illegal -'
> >> 'illegal settlements!!!'
> > International law forbids those settlements. It also forbids the
> > Occupation.
>
> 'international law' forbids no such thing.
>
> > Where have you been. Why don't you look it up? If you
> > admit that you, the legal expert, can't find it, perhaps I'll give you
> > a hint or two.
>
> You're the one claiming to be the lawyer. I shall deal with that lie in
> another post.

Actually it's not a lie. Hunter IS an attorney. Just not a top-drawer
attorney.

Deborah

>There are (IIRC) two or three posts from you waiting in my
> postponed folder. Once I have answered them, you're going back to 'retard
> to be ignored or taunted' status, because as has been shown above, you are
> fucking tool who claims to be a lawyer (when you're not) in order to
> further your real aim, and that is to finish what Hitler started.
>
> Y.
> --
> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> 'Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword, obviously never
> encountered automatic weapons'
> (Douglas MacArthur (1880 - 1964))
> <http://elderofziyon.blogspo...

dsharavi

10/20/2011 7:22:00 PM

On Oct 20, 11:48 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 20, 9:56 am, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> You're the one claiming to be the lawyer. I shall deal with that lie in
> >> another post.
> > Actually it's not a lie. Hunter IS an attorney. Just not a top-drawer
> > attorney.
>
> A _very_ bad one, then. The difference between 'slander' and 'libel' is
> first-year law school material. Yet he doesn't know the difference.
> Y.

First year law school material? I thought it was late high school
material.

Deborah
> --
> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> 'At his best, man is the noblest of the animals; separated from law and
> justice, he is the worst'
> (Aristotle (384 BCE - 322 BCE))
> <http://elderofziyon.blogspo...

Osric

10/23/2011 5:01:00 PM

>> EXCELLENT post, Yitz. Awesome.
>
> Thanks, Deborah.

Now sit! Shake a paw... roll over... Gooood boy!

--
Osric

THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET

HHW

12/12/2011 9:24:00 PM

On Oct 23, 11:01 am, Osric <os...@nospambtinternet.com> wrote:
> >> EXCELLENT post, Yitz. Awesome.
>
> > Thanks, Deborah.
>
> Now sit! Shake a paw... roll over... Gooood boy!
>
> --
> Osric
>
> THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
> RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET

Can jackals/hyenas be trained to "shake a paw"?

comp.lang.ruby

Re: Training on the west coast?

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

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HHW

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