Kurt Nicklas
1/27/2011 11:27:00 PM
On Jan 27, 5:48 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:56:45 -0800 (PST), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
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> >On Jan 27, 4:04 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:21:29 -0800 (PST), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
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> >> >On Jan 27, 11:51 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:14:25 -0800 (PST), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
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> >> >> >On Jan 27, 10:48 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:29:41 -0800 (PST), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail..com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
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> >> >> >> >On Jan 27, 3:43 am, Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >On Jan 26, 12:31 am, Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >When I was a kid in the 60s and early 70s, my news choices were three
> >> >> >> >> >> >Baltimore and four Washington DC TV news programs of about a half hour
> >> >> >> >> >> >each; a bunch of radio stations that did five minutes of news
> >> >> >> >> >> >headlines every hour, and one all-news station in Washington, DC;
> >> >> >> >> >> >three Baltimore newspapers, one considered liberal, the Afro-American
> >> >> >> >> >> >and one Hearst paper, and two Washington newspapers, one considered
> >> >> >> >> >> >liberal and one conservative. If I wanted to go to a newsstand
> >> >> >> >> >> >downtown, I could sometimes pick up a NY Times or a Boston Globe. At
> >> >> >> >> >> >night, I could pull in the all-news stations in New York and Boston,
> >> >> >> >> >> >and when I got a little older, I discovered shortwave radio, and
> >> >> >> >> >> >listened to all kinds of stuff from other countries. Radio Moscow was
> >> >> >> >> >> >very entertaining, as sweet-sounding female voices would tell me what
> >> >> >> >> >> >a horrible country I was living in.
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> >> >> >> >> >> >Now, I can turn on my iPad, and read damn near any newspaper in the
> >> >> >> >> >> >world, listen to damn near any radio station in the world, and a lot
> >> >> >> >> >> >of television news programs. I have subscriptions to four newspapers.
> >> >> >> >> >> >and a Nexis subscription. I literally have thousands of options at my
> >> >> >> >> >> >fingertips, and they're not all owned by huge for-profit corporations.
> >> >> >> >> >> >In fact, I can choose the ones that are not, if that's what I want.
> >> >> >> >> >> >That was not the case back in the olden days.
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> >> >> >> >> >> >In fact, with newspapers and magazines biting the big one, there is
> >> >> >> >> >> >far LESS "corporate control" of the news media than there was 40 years
> >> >> >> >> >> >ago. They're TRYING to gain control of it, but then comes the
> >> >> >> >> >> >Internet, which changes the playing field completely. Suddenly, people
> >> >> >> >> >> >write their own blogs, and report their own news.
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> >> >> >> >> >> >Progressives overplay the influence of entities like right wing talk
> >> >> >> >> >> >radio and Fox News. There are more than 300 million people in this
> >> >> >> >> >> >country, and the bloc of people who watch and listen to that shit is
> >> >> >> >> >> >probably less than 5 million, and definitely no more than 10 million.
> >> >> >> >> >> >What makes them seem more credible and influential is the fact that
> >> >> >> >> >> >liberals parrot that bullshit and don't offer an alternative. The
> >> >> >> >> >> >"progressive blogosphere" spends pretty much all of its energy arguing
> >> >> >> >> >> >against the idiots on the far right, and none actually promoting an
> >> >> >> >> >> >alternative.
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> >> >> >> >> >> >The populace hasn't moved to the right because of the far right's
> >> >> >> >> >> >influence. They've moved to the right because of a lack of message
> >> >> >> >> >> >from the left. "The sky is falling" can't serve as a position on which
> >> >> >> >> >> >to base public policy. Even if the sky was falling, what voters want
> >> >> >> >> >> >to know is what we plan to do to prop it up.
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> >> >> >> >> >> >> But THESE "Americans", these strutters, these flag wavers, are jubilent
> >> >> >> >> >> >> that it's happened. That's a new disease in America, the rise of the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brownshirt mentaility, and it dooms the nation.
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> >> >> >> >> >> >Oh, bullshit. There is no "brownshirt mentality" rising anywhere. Get
> >> >> >> >> >> >a grip, man. The only reason neocons have a foothold is because we
> >> >> >> >> >> >spread their message far and wide for them.
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> >> >> >> >> >> Bravo, Milt. Everyone else trashed it but IMHO it was an excellent
> >> >> >> >> >> perspective.
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> >> >> >> >> >> Whining and blaming others have become the foundation of liberalism
> >> >> >> >> >> and they disgust me. It's refreshing to hear a lib look inward to explain
> >> >> >> >> >> why they're where they are now.
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> >> >> >> >> >It's not really the foundation of liberalism at all, and that's what
> >> >> >> >> >bugs me. The loudest segment of liberals has become increasingly
> >> >> >> >> >shrill and demanding, but they seem far too willing to wait for
> >> >> >> >> >"someone else" to do it.
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> >> >> >> >> >I am very liberal, but I'm also practical. We need to cut spending on
> >> >> >> >> >defense, but if either side thinks that lopping off $300 billion in
> >> >> >> >> >ridiculous weapons projects will have no ill effect, they're living in
> >> >> >> >> >a dream world. Instead of just dropping these systems, how about
> >> >> >> >> >paying Lockheed Martin, GE or whatever to retrofit their plants to
> >> >> >> >> >make something else?
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> >> >> >> >> >I was on Twitter last night, and commenting on the SOTU, and when I
> >> >> >> >> >heard Obama mention alternative energy, and include "clean coal" and
> >> >> >> >> >nuclear, I knew I would see the whines come from the left, and I
> >> >> >> >> >wasn't disappointed. They have to be a part of the mix, at least until
> >> >> >> >> >other, cleaner energy alternatives have matured enough to be
> >> >> >> >> >dependable. I happen to think nuclear is just too expensive, and that
> >> >> >> >> >there is no such thing as "clean coal." But if we're going to drive
> >> >> >> >> >electric cars, the energy has to come from somewhere, and not all of
> >> >> >> >> >it can be generated by the wind and sun; at least not yet.
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> >> >> >> >> At this point in time, "clean energy" like windmills, solar panels and
> >> >> >> >> algae is a hoax. It's like the fantasy of "world peace". They give
> >> >> >> >> sensitive dreamers ways to forgive themselves for living the way
> >> >> >> >> we do for the lifestyles we chose. "Carbon credits" are the most
> >> >> >> >> disgusting form of hypocrisy for allowing weasels like Gore an
> >> >> >> >> excuse for living like kings and telling the rest of us to sacrifice.
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> >> >> >> >Actually, there have been a lot of advances in clean energy over the
> >> >> >> >years. A very good friend of mine built a row of solar powered
> >> >> >> >townhomes in the Colorado mountains about 25 years ago as an
> >> >> >> >experiment, and the experiment has worked quite well; in an area where
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> >> >> >> Milt always has some sort of a personal experience to back up his
> >> >> >> stories... The poor dumb dweeb isn't smart enough to realize that
> >> >> >> he's well known as a liar...
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> >> >> >> The story he tells here is obviously a lie...
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> >> >> >> >the nighttime temperature routinely goes down to minus 20-30 degrees
> >> >> >> >in the winter, his electric bills are rarely more than $25-35. In the
> >> >> >> >summer, he usually gets money back from the utility for the excess
> >> >> >> >power he generates. And in 25 years, he's only had to upgrade the
> >> >> >> >solar panels once, by choice. His total electric bill for 2005 was
> >> >> >> >less than $200. IOW, it can be done. As for wind power, there are a
> >> >> >> >number of areas where it's been deployed to great effect; I remember
> >> >> >> >driving by the Palm Springs wind farms as much as 30 years ago, and
> >> >> >> >even though the area's grown significantly, wind still provides about
> >> >> >> >20-30% of their power. I have another friend who just installed a
> >> >> >> >geothermal generator on his house in November, and his electric bills
> >> >> >> >have already dropped by almost 50%; and that's before he replaces all
> >> >> >> >of his windows and his insulation.
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> >> >> >> <LOL> All bullshit...
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> >> >> >Aww, Sparky... here's your Milk-Bone.
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> >> >> >I know your stalking activities have been curtailed lately,
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> >> >> I have no reason to stalk you, you display all your problems and your
> >> >> ignorance in every post.... and then you always verify what I say
> >> >> about you with your ridiculous claims of feeding me information.
> >> >> <chuckle>
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> >> >> but don't
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> >> >> >be so frustrated. I was just inside one of the homes in 2008, while I
> >> >> >was in Colorado for the DNC, and we drove by them in October, when we
> >> >> >were taking a cruise through the mountains. They do exist. They're
> >> >> >right off that highway you've been telling us you used to live near...
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> >> >> <ROTFLMAO> for the DNC, eh? Poor Milt... so desperate to convince
> >> >> people that he's somebody when it's obvious that he's a total nobody,
> >> >> and always will be...
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> >> >DNC, dickwad. Democratic National Convention. Anyone can go. I showed
> >> >them my credentials and ID and got a press pass... I mean, duh.
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> >> <ROTFLMAO> you said "for the DNC." Poor Milt...
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> >> >And I am a "nobody."
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> >> Indeed you are...
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> >That's the last true thing you say in this post...
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> >> and a dumb nobody too...
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> >And yet I kick your ass.
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> <LOL> Blah, blah, blah...
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> >How's that make you feel. I have been playing
> >you like a fiddle for years, and you don't even know it.
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> If it wasn't for imagination, Milt's mind would probably be completely
> blank...
I'm amazed he still responds to you as he always comes out with egg on
his face.
It's funny!