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Shai Rosenfeld

8/12/2007 10:51:00 AM

Hi ..

may not be directly related to this forum, but all the big shots are
here, so i was considering asking if anyone has heard of some plugin /
code / snippets / ideas / links of using the rails logger for gathering
site statistics? (i.e, page views, unique visitors, etc)

?

sorry if this is bothersome in this forum & many thanks in advance..
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11 Answers

Shai Rosenfeld

8/12/2007 1:44:00 PM

0

Shai Rosenfeld wrote:
> Hi ..
>
> may not be directly related to this forum, but all the big shots are
> here, so i was considering asking if anyone has heard of some plugin /
> code / snippets / ideas / links of using the rails logger for gathering
> site statistics? (i.e, page views, unique visitors, etc)
>
> ?
>
> sorry if this is bothersome in this forum & many thanks in advance..

** ignore post **
thanks
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suzeeq

11/11/2012 10:30:00 PM

0

anim8rFSK wrote:
> In article <k7n3ri$8va$1@dont-email.me>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> David Barnett <dbar3518@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ahk@chinet.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jazzyJack <jazzyjackkirby@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally had a chance to catch up with last week's post-Etta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> episode. The Observers' Borg-like nature could have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inserted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the show's continuity in any season. But I feel that saving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reveal for the last few episodes was nicely timed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And having Peter desperately experiment on himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was entirely consistent with the behaviors Walter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has often displayed. The experiment has to go wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I hope it won't be in the now-cliched manner of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter-loses-his-humanity-and-becomes-what-he-started-out-fighting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter becoming the "first Observer" would also be a tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, the emotional core of the story remains strong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that was very Walter-like. I would predict that he becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first Observer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I never thought of that either.
>>>>>>>>>>> See, if Peter becomes Walter, he's got to break things. The mere
>>>>>>>>>>> act of
>>>>>>>>>>> not inserting future tech into his brain would have made the
>>>>>>>>>>> Observers
>>>>>>>>>>> vanish.
>>>>>>>>>>> This, of course, cannot be reconciled with how Peter was the key
>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>> of the story based on Walter kidnapping him from the alternate
>>>>>>>>>>> universe
>>>>>>>>>>> out of grief for the death of his own son.
>>>>>>>>>> Peter's important to the whole thing. By saving him as a boy,
>>>>>>>>>> it threw a monkey wrench in the Observers plans to take over
>>>>>>>>>> earth. That's why they've been trying to get rid of him - he's
>>>>>>>>>> the key to their demise.
>>>>>>>>> Well, yeah, but that happened to be due to the Machine that just
>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>> to be created to work with his body and no one else's, still yet to
>>>>>>>>> be explained in a way that doesn't give me a headache.
>>>>>>>> We've gone beyond that; The Machine was for saving the two universes
>>>>>>>> anyway, not destroying the Observers.
>>>>>>> You don't see Peter's created a paradox?
>>>>>>> I haven't seen "Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found There",
>>>>>>> so these comments apply to the previous episode. I'd ask anyone
>>>>>>> commenting
>>>>>>> on the later episode to start an unrelated thread.
>>>>>> I wasn't commenting about any particular episode really. Peter's created
>>>>>> a paradox where? Last season or this one? Last season he disappeared
>>>>> >from both universes and didn't exist, so he couldn't have met himself
>>>>>> anywhere when he came back from between them or wherever he was. This
>>>>>> year, hard to say yet.
>>>>> What do you think learning to use and then to recreate future tech is?
>>>>> That makes Peter the creator of the technology that gives The Observers
>>>>> their magical powers, tech he couldn't have created if he hadn't taken
>>>>> it from a corpse.
>>>> That's a paradox?
>>> The technology has no point of origin.
>> Hmmmm, will have to think on that. I always thought paradox was that a
>> person couldn't be in the same place at the same time.
>
> I'm always in the same place at the same time!

I meant two of oneself in the same place... silly boy.

David Barnett

11/11/2012 10:58:00 PM

0

In article <k7mqro$vhp$6@news.albasani.net>,
ahk@chinet.com says...
>
> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>>>David Barnett <dbar3518@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>ahk@chinet.com says...
> >>>>>>>>jazzyJack <jazzyjackkirby@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>I finally had a chance to catch up with last week's post-Etta
> >>>>>>>>>episode. The Observers' Borg-like nature could have been inserted
> >>>>>>>>>into the show's continuity in any season. But I feel that saving
> >>>>>>>>>the reveal for the last few episodes was nicely timed.
>
> >>>>>>>>>And having Peter desperately experiment on himself
> >>>>>>>>>was entirely consistent with the behaviors Walter
> >>>>>>>>>has often displayed. The experiment has to go wrong,
> >>>>>>>>>but I hope it won't be in the now-cliched manner of
> >>>>>>>>>Peter-loses-his-humanity-and-becomes-what-he-started-out-fighting.
> >>>>>>>>>Peter becoming the "first Observer" would also be a tired
> >>>>>>>>>development.
>
> >>>>>>>>>Still, the emotional core of the story remains strong.
>
> >>>>>>>>Yeah, that was very Walter-like. I would predict that he becomes
> >>>>>>>>the first Observer.
>
> >>>>>>>I never thought of that either.
>
> >>>>>>See, if Peter becomes Walter, he's got to break things. The mere act of
> >>>>>>not inserting future tech into his brain would have made the Observers
> >>>>>>vanish.
>
> >>>>>>This, of course, cannot be reconciled with how Peter was the key point
> >>>>>>of the story based on Walter kidnapping him from the alternate universe
> >>>>>>out of grief for the death of his own son.
>
> >>>>>Peter's important to the whole thing. By saving him as a boy, it threw a
> >>>>>monkey wrench in the Observers plans to take over earth. That's why
> >>>>>they've been trying to get rid of him - he's the key to their demise.
>
> >>>>Well, yeah, but that happened to be due to the Machine that just happened
> >>>>to be created to work with his body and no one else's, still yet to
> >>>>be explained in a way that doesn't give me a headache.
>
> >>>We've gone beyond that; The Machine was for saving the two universes
> >>>anyway, not destroying the Observers.
>
> >>You don't see Peter's created a paradox?
>
> >>I haven't seen "Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found There",
> >>so these comments apply to the previous episode. I'd ask anyone commenting
> >>on the later episode to start an unrelated thread.
>
> >I wasn't commenting about any particular episode really. Peter's created
> >a paradox where? Last season or this one? Last season he disappeared
> >from both universes and didn't exist, so he couldn't have met himself
> >anywhere when he came back from between them or wherever he was. This
> >year, hard to say yet.
>
> What do you think learning to use and then to recreate future tech is?
> That makes Peter the creator of the technology that gives The Observers
> their magical powers, tech he couldn't have created if he hadn't taken
> it from a corpse.

That doesn't make sense to me.
He takes tech from the future, presumably invented by
someone. which makes him the inventor of the tech?
Circular.

--
David Barnett

David Barnett

11/11/2012 11:00:00 PM

0

In article <k7n19p$7sd$1@news.albasani.net>,
ahk@chinet.com says...
>
> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>David Barnett <dbar3518@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>ahk@chinet.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>jazzyJack <jazzyjackkirby@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I finally had a chance to catch up with last week's post-Etta
> >>>>>>>>>>>episode. The Observers' Borg-like nature could have been inserted
> >>>>>>>>>>>into the show's continuity in any season. But I feel that saving
> >>>>>>>>>>>the reveal for the last few episodes was nicely timed.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>And having Peter desperately experiment on himself
> >>>>>>>>>>>was entirely consistent with the behaviors Walter
> >>>>>>>>>>>has often displayed. The experiment has to go wrong,
> >>>>>>>>>>>but I hope it won't be in the now-cliched manner of
> >>>>>>>>>>>Peter-loses-his-humanity-and-becomes-what-he-started-out-fighting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>Peter becoming the "first Observer" would also be a tired
> >>>>>>>>>>>development.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Still, the emotional core of the story remains strong.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>Yeah, that was very Walter-like. I would predict that he becomes
> >>>>>>>>>>the first Observer.
>
> >>>>>>>>>I never thought of that either.
>
> >>>>>>>>See, if Peter becomes Walter, he's got to break things. The mere act of
> >>>>>>>>not inserting future tech into his brain would have made the Observers
> >>>>>>>>vanish.
>
> >>>>>>>>This, of course, cannot be reconciled with how Peter was the key point
> >>>>>>>>of the story based on Walter kidnapping him from the alternate universe
> >>>>>>>>out of grief for the death of his own son.
>
> >>>>>>>Peter's important to the whole thing. By saving him as a boy,
> >>>>>>>it threw a monkey wrench in the Observers plans to take over
> >>>>>>>earth. That's why they've been trying to get rid of him - he's
> >>>>>>>the key to their demise.
>
> >>>>>>Well, yeah, but that happened to be due to the Machine that just happened
> >>>>>>to be created to work with his body and no one else's, still yet to
> >>>>>>be explained in a way that doesn't give me a headache.
>
> >>>>>We've gone beyond that; The Machine was for saving the two universes
> >>>>>anyway, not destroying the Observers.
>
> >>>>You don't see Peter's created a paradox?
>
> >>>>I haven't seen "Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found There",
> >>>>so these comments apply to the previous episode. I'd ask anyone commenting
> >>>>on the later episode to start an unrelated thread.
>
> >>>I wasn't commenting about any particular episode really. Peter's created
> >>>a paradox where? Last season or this one? Last season he disappeared
> >>>from both universes and didn't exist, so he couldn't have met himself
> >>>anywhere when he came back from between them or wherever he was. This
> >>>year, hard to say yet.
>
> >>What do you think learning to use and then to recreate future tech is?
> >>That makes Peter the creator of the technology that gives The Observers
> >>their magical powers, tech he couldn't have created if he hadn't taken
> >>it from a corpse.
>
> >That's a paradox?
>
> The technology has no point of origin.

The same could be said of God, or if you prefer the
Universe.

--
David Barnett

David Barnett

11/11/2012 11:02:00 PM

0

In article <k7n6t1$m9i$1@dont-email.me>, David@block.net
says...
>
> On 11/10/2012 7:51 PM, suzeeq wrote:
>
> >>> That's a paradox?
> >>
> >> The technology has no point of origin.
> >
> > Hmmmm, will have to think on that. I always thought paradox was that a
> > person couldn't be in the same place at the same time.
>
> Nope. That's only a paradox if the future self doesn't behave exactly
> the way the past self remembers seeing him behave.

That is headache inducing.

--
David Barnett

David Johnston

11/11/2012 11:03:00 PM

0

On 11/11/2012 2:04 PM, William December Starr wrote:
> In article <k7n19p$7sd$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> said:
>
>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What do you think learning to use and then to recreate future
>>>> tech is? That makes Peter the creator of the technology that
>>>> gives The Observers their magical powers, tech he couldn't have
>>>> created if he hadn't taken it from a corpse.
>>>
>>> That's a paradox?
>>
>> The technology has no point of origin.
>
> Yeah, but: is that a problem?
>

It makes it a causeless effect. Strictly speaking that isn't a paradox.
A paradox is when something is self-contradicting. A thing that
happens for no reason isn't self-contradicting, but it does violate the
widespread expectation that every effect shall have a cause.

David Barnett

11/11/2012 11:04:00 PM

0

In article <k7p8tn$udo$1@dont-email.me>, suzee@imbris.com
says...
>
> anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article <k7n3ri$8va$1@dont-email.me>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> David Barnett <dbar3518@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ahk@chinet.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jazzyJack <jazzyjackkirby@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally had a chance to catch up with last week's post-Etta
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> episode. The Observers' Borg-like nature could have been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inserted
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the show's continuity in any season. But I feel that saving
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reveal for the last few episodes was nicely timed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And having Peter desperately experiment on himself
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was entirely consistent with the behaviors Walter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has often displayed. The experiment has to go wrong,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I hope it won't be in the now-cliched manner of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter-loses-his-humanity-and-becomes-what-he-started-out-fighting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter becoming the "first Observer" would also be a tired
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> development.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, the emotional core of the story remains strong.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that was very Walter-like. I would predict that he becomes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the first Observer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I never thought of that either.
> >>>>>>>>>>> See, if Peter becomes Walter, he's got to break things. The mere
> >>>>>>>>>>> act of
> >>>>>>>>>>> not inserting future tech into his brain would have made the
> >>>>>>>>>>> Observers
> >>>>>>>>>>> vanish.
> >>>>>>>>>>> This, of course, cannot be reconciled with how Peter was the key
> >>>>>>>>>>> point
> >>>>>>>>>>> of the story based on Walter kidnapping him from the alternate
> >>>>>>>>>>> universe
> >>>>>>>>>>> out of grief for the death of his own son.
> >>>>>>>>>> Peter's important to the whole thing. By saving him as a boy,
> >>>>>>>>>> it threw a monkey wrench in the Observers plans to take over
> >>>>>>>>>> earth. That's why they've been trying to get rid of him - he's
> >>>>>>>>>> the key to their demise.
> >>>>>>>>> Well, yeah, but that happened to be due to the Machine that just
> >>>>>>>>> happened
> >>>>>>>>> to be created to work with his body and no one else's, still yet to
> >>>>>>>>> be explained in a way that doesn't give me a headache.
> >>>>>>>> We've gone beyond that; The Machine was for saving the two universes
> >>>>>>>> anyway, not destroying the Observers.
> >>>>>>> You don't see Peter's created a paradox?
> >>>>>>> I haven't seen "Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found There",
> >>>>>>> so these comments apply to the previous episode. I'd ask anyone
> >>>>>>> commenting
> >>>>>>> on the later episode to start an unrelated thread.
> >>>>>> I wasn't commenting about any particular episode really. Peter's created
> >>>>>> a paradox where? Last season or this one? Last season he disappeared
> >>>>> >from both universes and didn't exist, so he couldn't have met himself
> >>>>>> anywhere when he came back from between them or wherever he was. This
> >>>>>> year, hard to say yet.
> >>>>> What do you think learning to use and then to recreate future tech is?
> >>>>> That makes Peter the creator of the technology that gives The Observers
> >>>>> their magical powers, tech he couldn't have created if he hadn't taken
> >>>>> it from a corpse.
> >>>> That's a paradox?
> >>> The technology has no point of origin.
> >> Hmmmm, will have to think on that. I always thought paradox was that a
> >> person couldn't be in the same place at the same time.
> >
> > I'm always in the same place at the same time!
>
> I meant two of oneself in the same place... silly boy.

He's just trying to be funny.
Succeeds most of the time.

--
David Barnett

David Johnston

11/12/2012 1:11:00 AM

0

On 11/11/2012 4:01 PM, David Barnett wrote:
> In article <k7n6t1$m9i$1@dont-email.me>, David@block.net
> says...
>>
>> On 11/10/2012 7:51 PM, suzeeq wrote:
>>
>>>>> That's a paradox?
>>>>
>>>> The technology has no point of origin.
>>>
>>> Hmmmm, will have to think on that. I always thought paradox was that a
>>> person couldn't be in the same place at the same time.
>>
>> Nope. That's only a paradox if the future self doesn't behave exactly
>> the way the past self remembers seeing him behave.
>
> That is headache inducing.
>

Well, you know. Paradox.

Anim8rFSK

11/12/2012 2:51:00 AM

0

In article <MPG.2b0ad9d28ee3a5bd989e68@news.bigpond.com>,
David Barnett <dbar3518@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> In article <k7p8tn$udo$1@dont-email.me>, suzee@imbris.com
> says...
> >
> > anim8rFSK wrote:
> > > In article <k7n3ri$8va$1@dont-email.me>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > >>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > >>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > >>>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> David Barnett <dbar3518@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ahk@chinet.com says...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> jazzyJack <jazzyjackkirby@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally had a chance to catch up with last week's
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> post-Etta
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> episode. The Observers' Borg-like nature could have been
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inserted
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the show's continuity in any season. But I feel that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saving
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reveal for the last few episodes was nicely timed.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And having Peter desperately experiment on himself
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was entirely consistent with the behaviors Walter
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has often displayed. The experiment has to go wrong,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I hope it won't be in the now-cliched manner of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter-loses-his-humanity-and-becomes-what-he-started-out-figh
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ting
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter becoming the "first Observer" would also be a tired
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> development.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, the emotional core of the story remains strong.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that was very Walter-like. I would predict that he
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> becomes
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the first Observer.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I never thought of that either.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> See, if Peter becomes Walter, he's got to break things. The
> > >>>>>>>>>>> mere
> > >>>>>>>>>>> act of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> not inserting future tech into his brain would have made the
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Observers
> > >>>>>>>>>>> vanish.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> This, of course, cannot be reconciled with how Peter was the
> > >>>>>>>>>>> key
> > >>>>>>>>>>> point
> > >>>>>>>>>>> of the story based on Walter kidnapping him from the alternate
> > >>>>>>>>>>> universe
> > >>>>>>>>>>> out of grief for the death of his own son.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Peter's important to the whole thing. By saving him as a boy,
> > >>>>>>>>>> it threw a monkey wrench in the Observers plans to take over
> > >>>>>>>>>> earth. That's why they've been trying to get rid of him - he's
> > >>>>>>>>>> the key to their demise.
> > >>>>>>>>> Well, yeah, but that happened to be due to the Machine that just
> > >>>>>>>>> happened
> > >>>>>>>>> to be created to work with his body and no one else's, still yet
> > >>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>> be explained in a way that doesn't give me a headache.
> > >>>>>>>> We've gone beyond that; The Machine was for saving the two
> > >>>>>>>> universes
> > >>>>>>>> anyway, not destroying the Observers.
> > >>>>>>> You don't see Peter's created a paradox?
> > >>>>>>> I haven't seen "Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found
> > >>>>>>> There",
> > >>>>>>> so these comments apply to the previous episode. I'd ask anyone
> > >>>>>>> commenting
> > >>>>>>> on the later episode to start an unrelated thread.
> > >>>>>> I wasn't commenting about any particular episode really. Peter's
> > >>>>>> created
> > >>>>>> a paradox where? Last season or this one? Last season he disappeared
> > >>>>> >from both universes and didn't exist, so he couldn't have met
> > >>>>> >himself
> > >>>>>> anywhere when he came back from between them or wherever he was.
> > >>>>>> This
> > >>>>>> year, hard to say yet.
> > >>>>> What do you think learning to use and then to recreate future tech
> > >>>>> is?
> > >>>>> That makes Peter the creator of the technology that gives The
> > >>>>> Observers
> > >>>>> their magical powers, tech he couldn't have created if he hadn't
> > >>>>> taken
> > >>>>> it from a corpse.
> > >>>> That's a paradox?
> > >>> The technology has no point of origin.
> > >> Hmmmm, will have to think on that. I always thought paradox was that a
> > >> person couldn't be in the same place at the same time.
> > >
> > > I'm always in the same place at the same time!
> >
> > I meant two of oneself in the same place... silly boy.
>
> He's just trying to be funny.
> Succeeds most of the time.

LOL, burn!

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

Adam H. Kerman

11/12/2012 6:56:00 AM

0

David Barnett <dbar3518@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>ahk@chinet.com says...
>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>David Barnett <dbar3518@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>ahk@chinet.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>jazzyJack <jazzyjackkirby@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>I finally had a chance to catch up with last week's post-Etta
>>>>>>>>>>>episode. The Observers' Borg-like nature could have been inserted
>>>>>>>>>>>into the show's continuity in any season. But I feel that saving
>>>>>>>>>>>the reveal for the last few episodes was nicely timed.

>>>>>>>>>>>And having Peter desperately experiment on himself
>>>>>>>>>>>was entirely consistent with the behaviors Walter
>>>>>>>>>>>has often displayed. The experiment has to go wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>but I hope it won't be in the now-cliched manner of
>>>>>>>>>>>Peter-loses-his-humanity-and-becomes-what-he-started-out-fighting.
>>>>>>>>>>>Peter becoming the "first Observer" would also be a tired
>>>>>>>>>>>development.

>>>>>>>>>>>Still, the emotional core of the story remains strong.

>>>>>>>>>>Yeah, that was very Walter-like. I would predict that he becomes
>>>>>>>>>>the first Observer.

>>>>>>>>>I never thought of that either.

>>>>>>>>See, if Peter becomes Walter, he's got to break things. The mere act of
>>>>>>>>not inserting future tech into his brain would have made the Observers
>>>>>>>>vanish.

>>>>>>>>This, of course, cannot be reconciled with how Peter was the key point
>>>>>>>>of the story based on Walter kidnapping him from the alternate universe
>>>>>>>>out of grief for the death of his own son.

>>>>>>>Peter's important to the whole thing. By saving him as a boy,
>>>>>>>it threw a monkey wrench in the Observers plans to take over
>>>>>>>earth. That's why they've been trying to get rid of him - he's
>>>>>>>the key to their demise.

>>>>>>Well, yeah, but that happened to be due to the Machine that just happened
>>>>>>to be created to work with his body and no one else's, still yet to
>>>>>>be explained in a way that doesn't give me a headache.

>>>>>We've gone beyond that; The Machine was for saving the two universes
>>>>>anyway, not destroying the Observers.

>>>>You don't see Peter's created a paradox?

>>>>I haven't seen "Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found There",
>>>>so these comments apply to the previous episode. I'd ask anyone commenting
>>>>on the later episode to start an unrelated thread.

>>>I wasn't commenting about any particular episode really. Peter's created
>>>a paradox where? Last season or this one? Last season he disappeared
>>>from both universes and didn't exist, so he couldn't have met himself
>>>anywhere when he came back from between them or wherever he was. This
>>>year, hard to say yet.

>>What do you think learning to use and then to recreate future tech is?
>>That makes Peter the creator of the technology that gives The Observers
>>their magical powers, tech he couldn't have created if he hadn't taken
>>it from a corpse.

>That doesn't make sense to me.
>He takes tech from the future, presumably invented by
>someone. which makes him the inventor of the tech?
>Circular.

It's Peter. He stuck it in his own brain to learn how to use it. He's
reverse engineered plenty of tech on this show before. I'm assuming this
won't be an exception, although if it is, it'll be out of character.

Yeah. He'll "invent" it.