Asp Forum - Re: Help needed to DRY helpers and proper MVC with Ruby

Ball, Donald A Jr (Library)

7/27/2007 7:19:00 PM

> I've got working code, but I don't think that it's done
> properly so any help to make this more efficient and most of
> all, correct, would be so very appreciated.

Your question is perhaps best asked on the rails list. There are a
couple of different things you could do to make your ActiveRecord usage
more efficient, but this isn't the forum for that.

http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/list...

As far as making this code more rubyish, most rubyists seem to prefer
iterators with blocks, e.g.:

user.roles.each do |role|
role.rights.each do |right|
...
end
end

to for loops.

- donald

10 Answers

rL

9/20/2010 1:27:00 AM

In article <8qadnVS-iaAZwgvRnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
<jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:

>? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> In article <4c971cec.5115250@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> logan.sacket@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 02:12:22 -0700, rL@somis.org (? R. L. Measures.)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <XLWdnQNRhYW6HgjRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>> In article <oKedncDDrsDCZwnRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Zev wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> What's the question?
>>>>>>>>>> Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
>>>>>>>>>> Answer: Yes.
>>>>>>>>> He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't take my word for it: Check out the idiot's profile
>>>>>>>>> on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
>>>>>>>>> (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
>>>>>>>>> Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
>>>>>>>>> people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
>>>>>>>>> are being fined.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
>>>>>>>>> or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ....because he's a Muslim.
>>>>>>>> Why doesn't he wear his scarlet letter
>>>>>>>> (A for Anti-Semite) with pride?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like I've said a number of times already: You've established a clear
>>>>>>> pattern here, Zev, of doing *ANYTHING* and *EVERYTHING* to evade and
>>>>>>> avoid *DIRECTLY* looking at, acknowldeging and addressing the ACTUAL
>>>>>>> estblished facts of the specific issues at hand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those are specifically:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands,
>>>>>> ** maybe they shouldn't started a war?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This includes what you left out, Rich:
>>>>>
>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>>> ** the dodge
>>> Arab countries occupy 640 times the land as Israel.
>>>
>>> The last time, (before Britian gave the land to the Jews), anyone had
>>> established Palestine as a home country was 2000 years ago when the
>>> Jews had done so.
>>>
>>> Essentially, there was no Arab Palestine for the Israelites to take
>>> over.
>>
>> ** to Manning it makes zero difference.
>>
>
>
>Arabs indeed DID occupy the land refered to as Palestine, and had for
>generations.
>
>--The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as Nakba, meaning the
>"disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm", occurred when approximately
>725,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during
>the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it...
>
>Nur-eldeen Masalha writes that over 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants
>of the area that became Israel left their towns and villages.[5] Jewish
>advances, such as that on Haifa, fears of a massacre after Deir
>Yassin,[6] and a collapse in Palestinian leadership caused many to
>leave out of panic, while some of those who remained were expelled by
>Jewish soldiers or, later, the Israeli government.
>
>A series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them
>from returning to their homes, or claiming their property. They and many
>of their descendants remain refugees.[7]
>
>During the 1949 Lausanne conference, Israel proposed allowing 100,000 of
>the refugees to return to the area, though not necessarily to their
>homes, including 25,000 who had returned surreptitiously and 10,000
>family-reunion cases.[8] The proposal was conditional on a peace treaty
>that would allow Israel to retain the territory it had taken, and on the
>Arab states absorbing the remaining 550,000?650,000 refugees. The Arab
>states rejected the proposal on both moral and political grounds.[9]
>
>The status of the refugees, and in particular whether they have a right
>to return to their homes or be compensated, are key issues in the
>ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The events of 1948 are
>commemorated by Palestinians every May 15, on what has become known as
>Nakba Day.--
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestin...

? _____

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

John Manning

9/20/2010 1:42:00 AM

? R. L. Measures. wrote:
> In article <RZWdndwR35_2wQvRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>> In article <Qt6dnXMtzYkJqAvRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>> In article <XLWdnQNRhYW6HgjRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <oKedncDDrsDCZwnRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Zev wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> What's the question?
>>>>>>>>>>> Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: Yes.
>>>>>>>>>> He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't take my word for it: Check out the idiot's profile
>>>>>>>>>> on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
>>>>>>>>>> (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
>>>>>>>>>> Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
>>>>>>>>>> people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
>>>>>>>>>> are being fined.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
>>>>>>>>>> or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
>>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ....because he's a Muslim.
>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't he wear his scarlet letter
>>>>>>>>> (A for Anti-Semite) with pride?
>>>>>>>> Like I've said a number of times already: You've established a clear
>>>>>>>> pattern here, Zev, of doing *ANYTHING* and *EVERYTHING* to evade and
>>>>>>>> avoid *DIRECTLY* looking at, acknowldeging and addressing the ACTUAL
>>>>>>>> estblished facts of the specific issues at hand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those are specifically:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands,
>>>>>>> ** maybe they shouldn't started a war?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This includes what you left out, Rich:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>>>> ** the dodge
>>>>>
>>>> That would be you, Rich, who has dodged the fact that a winner in a war
>>>> is breaking international law when they perpetuate their decades' long
>>>> occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>> ? Did the U. S. break international law when it stole vast tracts of
>>> native North American land in the 1800s?
>>>
>>> -- end
>>
>>
>> Changing the subject and/or shifting the attention away is a typical
>> ploy of those who are either unwilling or are incapable of actually
>> addressing the issues at hand.
>>
> ? Is not turnabout fair play?
>

What are you talking about, Mr Measures? You're typically ignoring the
facts and shifting the attention away from them.

Here they are again:

Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
by the Israelis against the Palestinians.

Here are documented details of the *illegal* behavior of Israel toward
the Palestinian people:

Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlements -
http://www.vfp143.org/lit/Gaza/Secret_Israeli_database_reveals_full_extent_of_illegal_sett....

Watch one of the ways the Israelis have been stealing land from the
Palestinians:

Inside Israeli land grabs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...

= =

Israel's documented war crimes in Gaza

Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_...

Since the UN report is 575 pages, here is the much more brief summary:
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/8D52A795C565E9AF852576...

And here is the United Nations press release:

'UN mission finds evidence of war crimes by both sides in Gaza conflict'
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Ne...

John Manning

9/20/2010 1:45:00 AM

? R. L. Measures. wrote:
> In article <8qadnVS-iaAZwgvRnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>> In article <4c971cec.5115250@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> logan.sacket@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 02:12:22 -0700, rL@somis.org (? R. L. Measures.)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XLWdnQNRhYW6HgjRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <oKedncDDrsDCZwnRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Zev wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> What's the question?
>>>>>>>>>>> Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: Yes.
>>>>>>>>>> He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't take my word for it: Check out the idiot's profile
>>>>>>>>>> on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
>>>>>>>>>> (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
>>>>>>>>>> Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
>>>>>>>>>> people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
>>>>>>>>>> are being fined.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
>>>>>>>>>> or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
>>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ....because he's a Muslim.
>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't he wear his scarlet letter
>>>>>>>>> (A for Anti-Semite) with pride?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I've said a number of times already: You've established a clear
>>>>>>>> pattern here, Zev, of doing *ANYTHING* and *EVERYTHING* to evade and
>>>>>>>> avoid *DIRECTLY* looking at, acknowldeging and addressing the ACTUAL
>>>>>>>> estblished facts of the specific issues at hand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those are specifically:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands,
>>>>>>> ** maybe they shouldn't started a war?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This includes what you left out, Rich:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>>>> ** the dodge
>>>> Arab countries occupy 640 times the land as Israel.
>>>>
>>>> The last time, (before Britian gave the land to the Jews), anyone had
>>>> established Palestine as a home country was 2000 years ago when the
>>>> Jews had done so.
>>>>
>>>> Essentially, there was no Arab Palestine for the Israelites to take
>>>> over.
>>> ** to Manning it makes zero difference.
>>>
>>
>> Arabs indeed DID occupy the land refered to as Palestine, and had for
>> generations.
>>
>> --The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as Nakba, meaning the
>> "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm", occurred when approximately
>> 725,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during
>> the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it...
>>
>> Nur-eldeen Masalha writes that over 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants
>> of the area that became Israel left their towns and villages.[5] Jewish
>> advances, such as that on Haifa, fears of a massacre after Deir
>> Yassin,[6] and a collapse in Palestinian leadership caused many to
>> leave out of panic, while some of those who remained were expelled by
>> Jewish soldiers or, later, the Israeli government.
>>
>> A series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them
>>from returning to their homes, or claiming their property. They and many
>> of their descendants remain refugees.[7]
>>
>> During the 1949 Lausanne conference, Israel proposed allowing 100,000 of
>> the refugees to return to the area, though not necessarily to their
>> homes, including 25,000 who had returned surreptitiously and 10,000
>> family-reunion cases.[8] The proposal was conditional on a peace treaty
>> that would allow Israel to retain the territory it had taken, and on the
>> Arab states absorbing the remaining 550,000?650,000 refugees. The Arab
>> states rejected the proposal on both moral and political grounds.[9]
>>
>> The status of the refugees, and in particular whether they have a right
>> to return to their homes or be compensated, are key issues in the
>> ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The events of 1948 are
>> commemorated by Palestinians every May 15, on what has become known as
>> Nakba Day.--
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestin...
>
> ? _____
>

Mr Measures is apparently left speechless after having been shown that
the statement, "Essentially, there was no Arab Palestine for the
Israelites to take over," was false.

Seems he's too cowardly to admit that he was wrong.

rL

9/20/2010 11:32:00 AM

In article <gI-dnQoyt79vJgvRnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
<jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:

>? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> In article <RZWdndwR35_2wQvRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>> In article <Qt6dnXMtzYkJqAvRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>> In article <XLWdnQNRhYW6HgjRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <oKedncDDrsDCZwnRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>, John
Manning
>>>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Zev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the question?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>> He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't take my word for it: Check out the idiot's profile
>>>>>>>>>>> on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
>>>>>>>>>>> (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
>>>>>>>>>>> Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
>>>>>>>>>>> people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
>>>>>>>>>>> are being fined.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
>>>>>>>>>>> or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
>>>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ....because he's a Muslim.
>>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't he wear his scarlet letter
>>>>>>>>>> (A for Anti-Semite) with pride?
>>>>>>>>> Like I've said a number of times already: You've established a clear
>>>>>>>>> pattern here, Zev, of doing *ANYTHING* and *EVERYTHING* to evade and
>>>>>>>>> avoid *DIRECTLY* looking at, acknowldeging and addressing the ACTUAL
>>>>>>>>> estblished facts of the specific issues at hand.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those are specifically:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands,
>>>>>>>> ** maybe they shouldn't started a war?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This includes what you left out, Rich:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>>>>> ** the dodge
>>>>>>
>>>>> That would be you, Rich, who has dodged the fact that a winner in a war
>>>>> is breaking international law when they perpetuate their decades' long
>>>>> occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>>> ? Did the U. S. break international law when it stole vast tracts of
>>>> native North American land in the 1800s?
>>>>
>>>> -- end
>>>
>>>
>>> Changing the subject and/or shifting the attention away is a typical
>>> ploy of those who are either unwilling or are incapable of actually
>>> addressing the issues at hand.
>>>
>> ? Is not turnabout fair play?
>>
>
>
>What are you talking about, Mr Measures?

? stealing/consecrating land. It happened here in this country.

- end

>You're typically ignoring the
>facts and shifting the attention away from them.
>
>Here they are again:
>
>Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>
>
>Here are documented details of the *illegal* behavior of Israel toward
>the Palestinian people:
>
>Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlements -
>http://www.vfp143.org/lit/Gaza/Secret_Israeli_database_reveals_full_extent_of_illegal_sett....
>
>
>Watch one of the ways the Israelis have been stealing land from the
>Palestinians:
>
>Inside Israeli land grabs:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...
>
>= =
>
>Israel's documented war crimes in Gaza
>
>Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
>http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_...
>
>Since the UN report is 575 pages, here is the much more brief summary:
>http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/8D52A795C565E9AF852576...
>
>
>And here is the United Nations press release:
>
>'UN mission finds evidence of war crimes by both sides in Gaza conflict'
>http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Ne...

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

Zev

9/20/2010 12:44:00 PM

On Sep 20, 9:43 am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 10:26 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > What's the question?
>
> > > > Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
>
> > > > Answer: Yes.
>
> > > He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>
> > > Don't take my word for it: Check out the idiot's profile
> > > on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
> > > (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
> > > Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
> > > people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
> > > are being fined.
>
> > > Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
> > > or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
> > > ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
> > > consequences.
>
> The whole issue of the Koran burning was a farce on both sides. There
> is no law against being a fool, of course, nor against burning Korans.

Is it that hard to post this where it belongs?

Terry Cross

9/20/2010 3:38:00 PM

On Sep 20, 4:31 am, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
> In article <gI-dnQoyt79vJgvRnZ2dnUVZ_sGdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>
>
>
>
>
> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >• R. L. Measures. wrote:
> >> In article <RZWdndwR35_2wQvRnZ2dnUVZ_umdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> >> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> >>> • R. L. Measures. wrote:
> >>>> In article <Qt6dnXMtzYkJqAvRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> >>>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> >>>>> • R. L. Measures. wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <XLWdnQNRhYW6HgjRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> >>>>>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> • R. L. Measures. wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article <oKedncDDrsDCZwnRnZ2dnUVZ_hedn...@giganews.com>, John
> Manning
> >>>>>>>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Zev wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What's the question?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>> He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't take my word for it: Check out the idiot's profile
> >>>>>>>>>>> on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
> >>>>>>>>>>> (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
> >>>>>>>>>>> Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
> >>>>>>>>>>> people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
> >>>>>>>>>>> are being fined.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
> >>>>>>>>>>> or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
> >>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
> >>>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ....because he's a Muslim.
> >>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't he wear his scarlet letter
> >>>>>>>>>> (A for Anti-Semite) with pride?
> >>>>>>>>> Like I've said a number of times already: You've established a clear
> >>>>>>>>> pattern here, Zev, of doing *ANYTHING* and *EVERYTHING* to evade and
> >>>>>>>>> avoid *DIRECTLY* looking at, acknowldeging and addressing the ACTUAL
> >>>>>>>>> estblished facts of the specific issues at hand.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Those are specifically:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands,
> >>>>>>>> ** maybe they shouldn't started a war?
>
> >>>>>>> This includes what you left out, Rich:
>
> >>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
> >>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
> >>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
> >>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
> >>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
> >>>>>> ** the dodge
>
> >>>>> That would be you, Rich, who has dodged the fact that a winner in a war
> >>>>> is breaking international law when they perpetuate their decades' long
> >>>>> occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
> >>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
> >>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
> >>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
> >>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
> >>>> • Did the U. S. break international law when it stole vast tracts of
> >>>> native North American land in the 1800s?
>
> >>>> -- end
>
> >>> Changing the subject and/or shifting the attention away is a typical
> >>> ploy of those who are either unwilling or are incapable of actually
> >>> addressing the issues at hand.
>
> >> • Is not turnabout fair play?
>
> >What are you talking about, Mr Measures?
>
> • stealing/consecrating land. It happened here in this country.
>
> - end
>
>
>
> >You're typically ignoring the
> >facts and shifting the attention away from them.
>
> >Here they are again:
>
> >Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
> >blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
> >treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
> >lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
> >by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>
> >Here are documented details of the *illegal* behavior of Israel toward
> >the Palestinian people:
>
> >Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlements -
> >http://www.vfp143.org/lit/Gaza/Secret_Israeli_database_reve.......
>
> >Watch one of the ways the Israelis have been stealing land from the
> >Palestinians:
>
> >Inside Israeli land grabs:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...
>
> >= =
>
> >Israel's documented war crimes in Gaza
>
> >Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
> >http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsessi......
>
> >Since the UN report is 575 pages, here is the much more brief summary:
> >http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/8D52A795C565E9AF852576...
>
> >And here is the United Nations press release:
>
> >'UN mission finds evidence of war crimes by both sides in Gaza conflict'
> >http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Ne...

"International Law" does not exist. We have only "treaty law." The
principles you cite are embodied in a series of treaties to which the
US was not a signing party until after the Indians were merely
graveyards. The acts committed by the US in exterminating the Indians
were certainly monstrous, immoral, reprehensible, and inexcusable.
But not "violations of international law."

However, the atrocities committed by Israel very much are violations
of law that Israel helped to establish during the Nuremberg trials.
That Israel flaunts those principles now is offensive to every
civilized principle. Israel can avoid censure only by pretending
that it is not happening.

TCross

John Manning

9/20/2010 3:54:00 PM

? R. L. Measures. wrote:
> In article <gI-dnQoyt79vJgvRnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>> In article <RZWdndwR35_2wQvRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>> In article <Qt6dnXMtzYkJqAvRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <XLWdnQNRhYW6HgjRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <oKedncDDrsDCZwnRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>, John
> Manning
>>>>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Zev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the question?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't take my word for it: Check out the idiot's profile
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
>>>>>>>>>>>> (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
>>>>>>>>>>>> are being fined.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
>>>>>>>>>>>> or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ....because he's a Muslim.
>>>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't he wear his scarlet letter
>>>>>>>>>>> (A for Anti-Semite) with pride?
>>>>>>>>>> Like I've said a number of times already: You've established a clear
>>>>>>>>>> pattern here, Zev, of doing *ANYTHING* and *EVERYTHING* to evade and
>>>>>>>>>> avoid *DIRECTLY* looking at, acknowldeging and addressing the ACTUAL
>>>>>>>>>> estblished facts of the specific issues at hand.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Those are specifically:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands,
>>>>>>>>> ** maybe they shouldn't started a war?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This includes what you left out, Rich:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>>>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>>>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>>>>>> ** the dodge
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would be you, Rich, who has dodged the fact that a winner in a war
>>>>>> is breaking international law when they perpetuate their decades' long
>>>>>> occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>>>> ? Did the U. S. break international law when it stole vast tracts of
>>>>> native North American land in the 1800s?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- end
>>>>
>>>> Changing the subject and/or shifting the attention away is a typical
>>>> ploy of those who are either unwilling or are incapable of actually
>>>> addressing the issues at hand.
>>>>
>>> ? Is not turnabout fair play?
>>>
>>
>> What are you talking about, Mr Measures?
>
> ? stealing/consecrating land. It happened here in this country.
>

So you're suggesting that that makes it okay for others to steal too.
I see.

How about if I take your house and throw you out on the street. Is that
okay because the white man did that to the American Indians?

Turn about is fair play, Measures?

> - end
>
>
>
>> You're typically ignoring the
>> facts and shifting the attention away from them.
>>
>> Here they are again:
>>
>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>
>>
>> Here are documented details of the *illegal* behavior of Israel toward
>> the Palestinian people:
>>
>> Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlements -
>> http://www.vfp143.org/lit/Gaza/Secret_Israeli_database_reveals_full_extent_of_illegal_sett....
>>
>>
>> Watch one of the ways the Israelis have been stealing land from the
>> Palestinians:
>>
>> Inside Israeli land grabs:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...
>>
>> = =
>>
>> Israel's documented war crimes in Gaza
>>
>> Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
>> http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_...
>>
>> Since the UN report is 575 pages, here is the much more brief summary:
>> http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/8D52A795C565E9AF852576...
>>
>>
>> And here is the United Nations press release:
>>
>> 'UN mission finds evidence of war crimes by both sides in Gaza conflict'
>> http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Ne...
>

rL

9/20/2010 9:09:00 PM

In article
<e37c3ae6-c71e-4a59-9590-b8e5ebf82c54@u5g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Terry
Cross <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 20, 4:31=A0am, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>> In article <gI-dnQoyt79vJgvRnZ2dnUVZ_sGdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> >=95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> >> In article <RZWdndwR35_2wQvRnZ2dnUVZ_umdn...@giganews.com>, John Manni=
>ng
>> >> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> >>> =95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> >>>> In article <Qt6dnXMtzYkJqAvRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdn...@giganews.com>, John Man=
>ning
>> >>>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> =95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> >>>>>> In article <XLWdnQNRhYW6HgjRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdn...@giganews.com>, John M=
>anning
>> >>>>>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>> =95 R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> In article <oKedncDDrsDCZwnRnZ2dnUVZ_hedn...@giganews.com>, John
>> Manning
>> >>>>>>>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Zev wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> =A0Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What's the question?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: Yes.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't take my word for it: =A0Check out the idiot's profile
>> >>>>>>>>>>> on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
>> >>>>>>>>>>> (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
>> >>>>>>>>>>> are being fined.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
>> >>>>>>>>>>> or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
>> >>>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> =A0 =A0 ....because he's a Muslim.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't he wear his scarlet letter
>> >>>>>>>>>> (A for Anti-Semite) with pride?
>> >>>>>>>>> Like I've said a number of times already: You've established a =
>clear
>> >>>>>>>>> pattern here, Zev, of doing *ANYTHING* and *EVERYTHING* to evad=
>e and
>> >>>>>>>>> avoid *DIRECTLY* looking at, acknowldeging and addressing the A=
>CTUAL
>> >>>>>>>>> estblished facts of the specific issues at hand.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Those are specifically:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands,
>> >>>>>>>> =A0** =A0maybe they shouldn't started a war?
>>
>> >>>>>>> This includes what you left out, Rich:
>>
>> >>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross=
> and
>> >>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal leg=
>al
>> >>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Pales=
>tinian
>> >>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes co=
>mmitted
>> >>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>> >>>>>> ** =A0the dodge
>>
>> >>>>> That would be you, Rich, who has dodged the fact that a winner in a=
> war
>> >>>>> is breaking international law when they perpetuate their decades' l=
>ong
>> >>>>> occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>> >>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>> >>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palesti=
>nian
>> >>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes comm=
>itted
>> >>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>> >>>> =95 =A0Did the U. S. break international law when it stole vast trac=
>ts of
>> >>>> native North American land in the 1800s?
>>
>> >>>> -- =A0end
>>
>> >>> Changing the subject and/or shifting the attention away is a typical
>> >>> ploy of those who are either unwilling or are incapable of actually
>> >>> addressing the issues at hand.
>>
>> >> =95 =A0Is not turnabout fair play?
>>
>> >What are you talking about, Mr Measures?
>>
>> =95 =A0stealing/consecrating land. =A0It happened here in this country. =
>=A0
>>
>> - =A0end
>>
>>
>>
>> >You're typically ignoring the
>> >facts and shifting the attention away from them.
>>
>> >Here they are again:
>>
>> >Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>> >blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>> >treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>> >lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>> >by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>
>> >Here are documented details of the *illegal* behavior of Israel toward
>> >the Palestinian people:
>>
>> >Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlements -
>> >http://www.vfp143.org/lit/Gaza/Secret_Israeli_database_reveals_...
>.
>>
>> >Watch one of the ways the Israelis have been stealing land from the
>> >Palestinians:
>>
>> >Inside Israeli land grabs:
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_...
>>
>> >=3D =3D
>>
>> >Israel's documented war crimes in Gaza
>>
>> >Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
>> >http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsessi......
>>
>> >Since the UN report is 575 pages, here is the much more brief summary:
>> >http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/8D52A795C565E9AF852576...
>>
>> >And here is the United Nations press release:
>>
>> >'UN mission finds evidence of war crimes by both sides in Gaza conflict'
>> >http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?News...
>
>"International Law" does not exist. We have only "treaty law." The
>principles you cite are embodied in a series of treaties to which the
>US was not a signing party until after the Indians were merely
>graveyards. The acts committed by the US in exterminating the Indians
>were certainly monstrous, immoral, reprehensible, and inexcusable.
>But not "violations of international law."
>
>However, the atrocities committed by Israel very much are violations
>of law that Israel helped to establish during the Nuremberg trials.

? Good point. IMO Israel would be better off without the Haredim.

>That Israel flaunts those principles now is offensive to every
>civilized principle. Israel can avoid censure only by pretending
>that it is not happening.
>
>TCross

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

rL

9/20/2010 9:16:00 PM

In article <CLadnVCu_d0YHgrRnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
<jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:

>? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> In article <gI-dnQoyt79vJgvRnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>> In article <RZWdndwR35_2wQvRnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>> In article <Qt6dnXMtzYkJqAvRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <XLWdnQNRhYW6HgjRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John
Manning
>>>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <oKedncDDrsDCZwnRnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>, John
>> Manning
>>>>>>>>>> <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Zev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the question?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't take my word for it: Check out the idiot's profile
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are being fined.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ....because he's a Muslim.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't he wear his scarlet letter
>>>>>>>>>>>> (A for Anti-Semite) with pride?
>>>>>>>>>>> Like I've said a number of times already: You've established a clear
>>>>>>>>>>> pattern here, Zev, of doing *ANYTHING* and *EVERYTHING* to evade and
>>>>>>>>>>> avoid *DIRECTLY* looking at, acknowldeging and addressing the ACTUAL
>>>>>>>>>>> estblished facts of the specific issues at hand.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those are specifically:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands,
>>>>>>>>>> ** maybe they shouldn't started a war?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This includes what you left out, Rich:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of
Palestinian
>>>>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes
committed
>>>>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>>>>>>> ** the dodge
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would be you, Rich, who has dodged the fact that a winner in a war
>>>>>>> is breaking international law when they perpetuate their decades' long
>>>>>>> occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>>>>> ? Did the U. S. break international law when it stole vast tracts of
>>>>>> native North American land in the 1800s?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- end
>>>>>
>>>>> Changing the subject and/or shifting the attention away is a typical
>>>>> ploy of those who are either unwilling or are incapable of actually
>>>>> addressing the issues at hand.
>>>>>
>>>> ? Is not turnabout fair play?
>>>>
>>>
>>> What are you talking about, Mr Measures?
>>
>> ? stealing/consecrating land. It happened here in this country.
>>
>
>
>
>So you're suggesting that that makes it okay for others to steal too.
>I see.

? those who lived in glass houses ... ... .. --

>
>How about if I take your house and throw you out on the street.

? Will you take the three year old if I also give you a $500 bribe?

> Is that
>okay because the white man did that to the American Indians?
>
>Turn about is fair play, Measures?
>
? Put it in writing that you will take the three year and we can talk
when you get it notarized.
>

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

drahcir

9/21/2010 2:41:00 AM

On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:38:10 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
<tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 20, 4:31 am, r...@somis.org (? R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>> In article <gI-dnQoyt79vJgvRnZ2dnUVZ_sGdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> >? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> >> In article <RZWdndwR35_2wQvRnZ2dnUVZ_umdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>> >> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> >>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> >>>> In article <Qt6dnXMtzYkJqAvRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>> >>>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> >>>>>> In article <XLWdnQNRhYW6HgjRnZ2dnUVZ_tSdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>> >>>>>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>> ? R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> In article <oKedncDDrsDCZwnRnZ2dnUVZ_hedn...@giganews.com>, John
>> Manning
>> >>>>>>>> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Zev wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 3:37 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What's the question?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is John Manning anti-Jewish?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: Yes.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> He's anti-everything EXCEPT Islam.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't take my word for it: Check out the idiot's profile
>> >>>>>>>>>>> on Google Groups. He defends Islam at every turn
>> >>>>>>>>>>> (when he's not too busy attack Christians and Jews).
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just recently he's been reveling in the fact that the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> people who wanted to stage the Koran-burning protest
>> >>>>>>>>>>> are being fined.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I meant "Billed." Unlike the case of Christianity
>> >>>>>>>>>>> or Judaism, he thinks that anyone who dares protest
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING Muslim should face severe financial
>> >>>>>>>>>>> consequences.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ....because he's a Muslim.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't he wear his scarlet letter
>> >>>>>>>>>> (A for Anti-Semite) with pride?
>> >>>>>>>>> Like I've said a number of times already: You've established a clear
>> >>>>>>>>> pattern here, Zev, of doing *ANYTHING* and *EVERYTHING* to evade and
>> >>>>>>>>> avoid *DIRECTLY* looking at, acknowldeging and addressing the ACTUAL
>> >>>>>>>>> estblished facts of the specific issues at hand.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Those are specifically:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands,
>> >>>>>>>> ** maybe they shouldn't started a war?
>>
>> >>>>>>> This includes what you left out, Rich:
>>
>> >>>>>>> Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>> >>>>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>> >>>>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>> >>>>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>> >>>>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>> >>>>>> ** the dodge
>>
>> >>>>> That would be you, Rich, who has dodged the fact that a winner in a war
>> >>>>> is breaking international law when they perpetuate their decades' long
>> >>>>> occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>> >>>>> blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>> >>>>> treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>> >>>>> lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>> >>>>> by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>> >>>> ? Did the U. S. break international law when it stole vast tracts of
>> >>>> native North American land in the 1800s?
>>
>> >>>> -- end
>>
>> >>> Changing the subject and/or shifting the attention away is a typical
>> >>> ploy of those who are either unwilling or are incapable of actually
>> >>> addressing the issues at hand.
>>
>> >> ? Is not turnabout fair play?
>>
>> >What are you talking about, Mr Measures?
>>
>> ? stealing/consecrating land. It happened here in this country.
>>
>> - end
>>
>>
>>
>> >You're typically ignoring the
>> >facts and shifting the attention away from them.
>>
>> >Here they are again:
>>
>> >Israel's decades' long occupation of Palestinian lands, the gross and
>> >blatant ongoing human rights abuses and un-Democratic unequal legal
>> >treatment Palestinians, the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian
>> >lands and the long list of grossly disproportionate war crimes committed
>> >by the Israelis against the Palestinians.
>>
>> >Here are documented details of the *illegal* behavior of Israel toward
>> >the Palestinian people:
>>
>> >Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlements -
>> >http://www.vfp143.org/lit/Gaza/Secret_Israeli_database_reve.......
>>
>> >Watch one of the ways the Israelis have been stealing land from the
>> >Palestinians:
>>
>> >Inside Israeli land grabs:
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...
>>
>> >= =
>>
>> >Israel's documented war crimes in Gaza
>>
>> >Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
>> >http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsessi......
>>
>> >Since the UN report is 575 pages, here is the much more brief summary:
>> >http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/8D52A795C565E9AF852576...
>>
>> >And here is the United Nations press release:
>>
>> >'UN mission finds evidence of war crimes by both sides in Gaza conflict'
>> >http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Ne...
>
>"International Law" does not exist. We have only "treaty law." The
>principles you cite are embodied in a series of treaties to which the
>US was not a signing party until after the Indians were merely
>graveyards. The acts committed by the US in exterminating the Indians
>were certainly monstrous, immoral, reprehensible, and inexcusable.
>But not "violations of international law."
>
>However, the atrocities committed by Israel very much are violations
>of law that Israel helped to establish during the Nuremberg trials.
>That Israel flaunts those principles now is offensive to every
>civilized principle. Israel can avoid censure only by pretending
>that it is not happening.

You mean, they are actually just pretending those two million were not
killed, fruitcake?
>
>TCross

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