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Noble

5/13/2007 5:17:00 PM

I am thinking about looking into Ruby and also RoR. Right now I
develop on Windows and I use C# and Asp.Net. I also know some PHP, VB,
and Java. I have done a little research on Ruby and actually
downloaded it on Windows and looked at it briefly. I did not see any
good GUI toolkits that gave the XP-Style look and feel.

I want to develop some cross-platform shareware/freeware desktop
applications and platform-independent web applications. (Thinking
about dumping MS.)

What does Ruby and RoR offer for me to achieve these goals?

nb
7 Answers

Alex Fenton

5/14/2007 6:06:00 PM

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Noble wrote:
> I have done a little research on Ruby and actually
> downloaded it on Windows and looked at it briefly. I did not see any
> good GUI toolkits that gave the XP-Style look and feel.

If using native XP widgets is a high priority, WxRuby may meet your needs (http://wxruby.rub...). It takes a rather different approach to the other excellent GUI toolkits for ruby (eg QT, GTK), in that it wraps the OS's native APIs on Windows, Linux/GTK and OS X, so you get native XP, Aqua or GTK GUIs with the same code on different platforms.

The very recent 0.0.40 release upgraded WxRuby to support the latest version of WxWidgets (2.8.3), has a lot of widgets and plenty of samples. It can probably be considered beta-quality in terms of stability. You might want to also look at WxSugar, which provides a more ruby-ish API to the library.

Both can be easily installed via rubygems and bundled within a standalone app using rubyscript2exe with no external dependencies.

> I want to develop some cross-platform shareware/freeware desktop
> applications

WxRuby and WxWidgets are distributed under a liberal MIT-like licence that's compatible with free, open-source and closed-source commercial applications.

alex

Pau Garcia i Quiles

5/14/2007 9:46:00 PM

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Hello,

I hate to repeat myself, but: use QtRuby. It rules.

--
Pau Garcia i Quiles
http://www.e...
(Due to the amount of work, I usually need 10 days to answer)


Quoting "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@hot.pl>:

> Alex Fenton:
>
>> The very recent 0.0.40 release upgraded WxRuby to support the latest
>> version of WxWidgets (2.8.3), has a lot of widgets and plenty of
>> samples. It can probably be considered beta-quality in terms of
>> stability. also look at WxSugar, which provides a more ruby-ish
>> API to the library.
>
>> Both can be easily installed via rubygems and bundled within
>> a standalone app using rubyscript2exe with no external dependencies.
>
> Excuse my hijacking the thread, but maybe my narrowing the field a bit
> can be of use to others as well. I?m currently developing a commandline
> app that I might want to wrap in a nice GUI in the future. I?m an Ubuntu
> user, so GTK/GNOME is my primary platform; running the app under Windows
> would be a nice addition, but not the ultimate goal. I saw GIMP under
> Windows and it surely doesn?t look pretty/native, but is usable (i.e.,
> doesn?t burn my eyes out with how the GTK controls look).
>
> Is my current vision that Ruby-GNOME2 would be a better choice in my
> case the right one? (More stable, more documentation, more controls,
> the possibility to develop in Glade.)
>
> Is running a Ruby-GNOME2 app under Windows a lot
> of hassle, compared to WxSugar + rubyscript2exe?
>
> Thanks a lot for your answers!
>
> -- Shot
> --
> There's a difference between random people with stripy jumpers, and
> a respected scientist with a reputation. -- Steve Kitson, ucam.chat
>

Stian Haklev

5/15/2007 4:02:00 AM

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> I hate to repeat myself, but: use QtRuby. It rules.

Are there any decent-sized open source applications using QtRuby (or
Korundum etc) yet? I've been itching to get into this, but I'd love to
start by contributing to something that already exists, rather than
start building buttons and windows from scratch :)

Stian

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Pau Garcia i Quiles

5/15/2007 11:32:00 AM

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Hello,

There are Qt bindings for Qt3 and Qt4.

Look at these sites:

http://rubyforge.org/projects...
http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebindin... (Qt3)
http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/trunk/kdebindin... (Qt4)

There is a PDF-only booklet published by the Pragmatic Programmers:
http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles... (it's for Qt3, but
it's essentially the same).

My advice: get the PragProg booklet and the official Qt-C++ book. You
only need to know basic C++ to understand the C++ book and it
translates straight to Ruby. There is a C++ tutorial at the end of the
book.

A bit unrelated to this thread, there is something Simon Edwards (the
author of the Python-Qt bindings) wrote about a few days ago and I
would like to try: using QtJambi (Qt bindings for the Java VM) to
program in a non-Java language. He has already done some tests with
Java VM + Scala + Qt. It might be interesting to find out how far Java
VM + JRuby + Qt could take us.

--
Pau Garcia i Quiles
http://www.e...
(Due to the amount of work, I usually need 10 days to answer)


Quoting "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@hot.pl>:

> Pau Garcia i Quiles:
>
>> Quoting "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@hot.pl>:
>
>>> I?m an Ubuntu user, so GTK/GNOME is my primary platform; running
>>> the app under Windows would be a nice addition, but not the ultimate
>>> goal.
>
>>> Is my current vision that Ruby-GNOME2 would be a better choice [than
>>> wxSugar] in my case the right one? (More stable, more documentation,
>>> more controls, the possibility to develop in Glade.)
>
>>> Is running a Ruby-GNOME2 app under Windows a lot
>>> of hassle, compared to WxSugar + rubyscript2exe?
>
>> I hate to repeat myself, but: use QtRuby. It rules.
>
> Ok, call me lazy here, but is there a nice demonstration of QtRuby
> that?s would convince me to give it a try (especially that I?d have
> to install Qt, skin it so it?s bearable and kiss Glade good-bye)?
>
> For example, Ruby-GNOME2?s
> http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/hiki.cgi...
> does scream ?take me! take me!? in a *very* persuasive manner. :)
>
> -- Shot
> --
>> I've gone through over-stressed to physical exhaustion - what's next?
> Tuesday. -- Simon Burr and Kyle Hearn
>

richard.j.dale@gmail.com

5/16/2007 4:19:00 PM

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On May 14, 7:06 pm, Alex Fenton <a...@deleteme.pressure.to> wrote:
> If using native XP widgets is a high priority, WxRuby may meet your needs (http://wxruby.rub...). It takes a rather different approach to the other excellent GUI toolkits for ruby (egQT, GTK), in that it wraps the OS's native APIs on Windows, Linux/GTK and OS X, so you get native XP, Aqua or GTK GUIs with the same code on different platforms.
You are implying that somehow WxWidgets is more 'native' than Qt - I
don't agree it 'takes a rather different approach' as you say above.

* On Linux Qt is just as much a native UI as GTK is.

* On Windows there is actually no such thing as a 'native UI', in that
various Microsoft products tend to roll their widgets, and Qt is as
native as anything else.

* On Mac OS X, Qt uses the appearance manager and is pretty much a
peer of Carbon and Cocoa, with some minor exceptions, see:
http://doc.trolltech.com/4.0/qtmac-as-n...

-- Richard

Damjan Rems

5/17/2007 6:05:00 AM

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But, if I understand correctly Qt is not free for comercial projects.

by

TheR


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Felipe Contreras

5/18/2007 2:09:00 PM

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On 5/17/07, Damjan Rems <d_rems@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> But, if I understand correctly Qt is not free for comercial projects.

That's correct.

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Felipe Contreras