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Ruby IDE for Windows 98?

Bart Braem

1/24/2007 6:16:00 PM

Hello,

In a few weeks I am going to teach a class of 16 year old students how to
program. From scratch. With Ruby. (We have good reasons, I'll explain them
if you like.) With an IDE. (To get rid of the terminal fears.)
Now the problem is that their school runs Windows 98. We love FreeRIDE, it's
a good IDE, but it does not run under Windows 98. And that's not good.
Their teacher is not happy about it any more as ruby seems hard on a
console. And that's a pity.
So, which good Ruby IDE works in Windows 98?

The Ruby Eclipse Development tool seems to have lots of buttons and all
kinds of Java related stuff. We want to be clear for students so that's why
FreeRIDE seemed better...

Do you have any other suggestions? We just want a good IDE that abstracts
the command prompt in Windows 98, so what do you suggest? We are starting
to get desperate, we want to teach those students programming the good
way...

Bart
26 Answers

Martin DeMello

1/24/2007 6:23:00 PM

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On 1/24/07, Bart Braem <bart.braem@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In a few weeks I am going to teach a class of 16 year old students how to
> program. From scratch. With Ruby. (We have good reasons, I'll explain them
> if you like.) With an IDE. (To get rid of the terminal fears.)

See if Mondrian works in Win98 (not sure, but it's worth a try)

http://www.mondria...

martin

Jeremy McAnally

1/24/2007 6:24:00 PM

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SciTe should do what you want I believe; I'd use that because it's
very simple, has syntax highlighting, and will allow you to run from
within it. I'm nto sure about Win98 support though...

On 1/24/07, Bart Braem <bart.braem@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In a few weeks I am going to teach a class of 16 year old students how to
> program. From scratch. With Ruby. (We have good reasons, I'll explain them
> if you like.) With an IDE. (To get rid of the terminal fears.)
> Now the problem is that their school runs Windows 98. We love FreeRIDE, it's
> a good IDE, but it does not run under Windows 98. And that's not good.
> Their teacher is not happy about it any more as ruby seems hard on a
> console. And that's a pity.
> So, which good Ruby IDE works in Windows 98?
>
> The Ruby Eclipse Development tool seems to have lots of buttons and all
> kinds of Java related stuff. We want to be clear for students so that's why
> FreeRIDE seemed better...
>
> Do you have any other suggestions? We just want a good IDE that abstracts
> the command prompt in Windows 98, so what do you suggest? We are starting
> to get desperate, we want to teach those students programming the good
> way...
>
> Bart
>
>


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Detlev Offenbach

1/24/2007 6:59:00 PM

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Bart Braem wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In a few weeks I am going to teach a class of 16 year old students how
> to program. From scratch. With Ruby. (We have good reasons, I'll
> explain them if you like.) With an IDE. (To get rid of the terminal
> fears.) Now the problem is that their school runs Windows 98. We love
> FreeRIDE, it's a good IDE, but it does not run under Windows 98. And
> that's not good. Their teacher is not happy about it any more as ruby
> seems hard on a console. And that's a pity.
> So, which good Ruby IDE works in Windows 98?
>
> The Ruby Eclipse Development tool seems to have lots of buttons and all
> kinds of Java related stuff. We want to be clear for students so that's
> why FreeRIDE seemed better...
>
> Do you have any other suggestions? We just want a good IDE that
> abstracts the command prompt in Windows 98, so what do you suggest? We
> are starting to get desperate, we want to teach those students
> programming the good way...
>

You could try eric4 (currently available as snapshots). It is written in
Python but supports Ruby as well (including debugging support).

Detlev
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Joel VanderWerf

1/24/2007 7:14:00 PM

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Bart Braem wrote:
> So, which good Ruby IDE works in Windows 98?

Have you tried RDE?

http://homepage2.nifty.com/sakazuki/rde_en/...

The web site doesn't clearly say that it is or is not compatible with win98.

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Bart Braem

1/24/2007 7:26:00 PM

0

Martin DeMello wrote:

> See if Mondrian works in Win98 (not sure, but it's worth a try)
>
> http://www.mondria...

I'll give it a shot, thanks for the suggestion!

Bart

Olivier

1/24/2007 9:42:00 PM

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> With Ruby. (We have good reasons, I'll explain them
> if you like.) With an IDE. (To get rid of the terminal fears.)

I don't see the need for an IDE in your case. When you say that tou want "To
get rid of the terminal fears", are you talking about the fact of
typing "ruby myprog.rb" in the terminal ?
I think it's essential, for someone who starts learning to program, to
understand the basis of what happens : that source code is not more than a
simple text file, and that it can be run simply by calling the interpreter
with this file. The need for an IDE comes later, with the need of
productivity.

So, what you want is just a text editor with syntax highlighting, and a
terminal by its side :)
Sorry, I have never developped with windows, so I cannot counsel you for what
editor to choose.

I'm sure your student will surpass their fear of terminals ^^
Good luck with the courses !

--
Olivier Renaud

Bill Kelly

1/24/2007 9:49:00 PM

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From: "Olivier" <o.renaud@laposte.net>
>
>> With Ruby. (We have good reasons, I'll explain them
>> if you like.) With an IDE. (To get rid of the terminal fears.)
>
> I don't see the need for an IDE in your case. When you say that tou want "To
> get rid of the terminal fears", are you talking about the fact of
> typing "ruby myprog.rb" in the terminal ?
> I think it's essential, for someone who starts learning to program, to
> understand the basis of what happens : that source code is not more than a
> simple text file, and that it can be run simply by calling the interpreter
> with this file. The need for an IDE comes later, with the need of
> productivity.

Indeed. ~25 years ago when they were teaching us BASIC on
a 40-column display of an APPLE ][ appearing as fuzzy text
on these old TV sets, I don't recall any of us being fearful
that we were dealing with text, without any GUI.

?

:)

Regards,

Bill

Olivier

1/24/2007 11:20:00 PM

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> I tend to agree with Olivier but that is not my business and I am a
> *baaad* teacher, I was great support Olivier, was I not ;)?

Sure ! As a bad student, I'm glad to be supported by a bad teacher :)

--
Olivier Renaud

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

1/25/2007 3:04:00 AM

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Bill Kelly wrote:
>
> From: "Olivier" <o.renaud@laposte.net>
>>
>>> With Ruby. (We have good reasons, I'll explain them
>>> if you like.) With an IDE. (To get rid of the terminal fears.)
>>
>> I don't see the need for an IDE in your case. When you say that tou
>> want "To get rid of the terminal fears", are you talking about the
>> fact of typing "ruby myprog.rb" in the terminal ?
>> I think it's essential, for someone who starts learning to program,
>> to understand the basis of what happens : that source code is not
>> more than a simple text file, and that it can be run simply by
>> calling the interpreter with this file. The need for an IDE comes
>> later, with the need of productivity.
>
> Indeed. ~25 years ago when they were teaching us BASIC on
> a 40-column display of an APPLE ][ appearing as fuzzy text on these
> old TV sets, I don't recall any of us being fearful
> that we were dealing with text, without any GUI.
But a *lot* of us who worked with "real computers" refused to have
anything to do with a 40-column screen. Hell, most of the folks who
actually *did* stuff with their Altairs had an ADM-3. :) That was one of
the truly joyful things about the Commodore 64 -- you could buy a real
color monitor for a reasonable price and not have to mess with RF
modulators, etc..

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Reid Thompson

1/25/2007 3:45:00 AM

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>
> If you are really desperate a live CD with a Linux distribution
> containing
> RIDE might be your saver, as this is OT please feel free to contact me
> off
> list, unfortunately I do not know any life distribution containing
> Free Ride
> but a little research might be helpful.
> I had done it myself if I had a little bit more time, hopefully I get
> some
> more time tomorrow so contact me if you like.
>
> BTW I posted this to the list just in case somebody happened to know
> such a
> distribution.
> 'cause this is a Great List ;)
>
> Cheers
> Robert
>
>
http://www.ibiblio.org/onebase/onebaselinux.com/About/features/dev...

zenlive ( site appears to be down for maint tonight ). I seem to recall
it has dev tools,, not sure which.

getting a multisession cdrom of puppy, putting whatever tools you need
on it, then making copies....
http://www.puppylinux.org/user/viewpage.php...

damn small linux can download ruby via a couple of clicks ( internet
connection required though )
http://www.damnsmall...

if the host boxes are powerful && have enough RAM knoppix might viable
http://www.kn... there should be a list somewhere on the site
listing contents of the cdrom

dyne:II
http://dev.dynebolic.org/trac.cgi/wiki/Sour...

google on variants of
livecd live cd with development tools

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