Flint
7/7/2013 8:03:00 PM
On 7/7/2013 2:30 PM, deep wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 12:33:40 -0500, Spender <Spender@Mars.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 01:12:17 GMT, benj <benj@iwaynet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Lessee. I wonder. Is it OK for me as a "non-deputized citizen" to
>>> "follow" strangers in my neighborhood especially if they are acting
>>> suspiciously? That's a tough one. Of course it is true that police have
>>> no duty to protect anyone, especially me. And if that stranger should
>>> suddenly assault me, punch me in the face, knock me down, sit on me and
>>> pound my head into the pavement because I'm "creepy". Shouldn't I be
>>> prohibited from shooting him with a legally carried firearm? I AM
>>> "creepy" after all and the attacker DOES get to "stand his ground"!
>>>
>>> All I can say is the jury really faces a moral dilemma here.
>>>
>>> What do you guys think?
>>
>> There is a moral dilemma, but it's not illustrated very plainly by the
>> terms you are using.
>>
>> Let's try again without the rhetoric. Martin may have been behaving
>> suspiciously from Zimmerman's point of view, and Zimmerman may have been
>> behaving suspiciously from Martin's point of view.
>>
>> That's the potential for trouble right there. Which one has the inherent
>> right to follow and observe the other? Both of them do. Which one has an
>> obligation to flee? Neither one does.
>
> Which one was just minding their own business and doing nothing wrong?
Turning back on someone one suspects is following them, while not
necessarily 'wrong' was incredibly stupid, and is definitely not
simply 'minding one's own business'... ... unless one's business is to
seek a confrontation. By not going straight home, Martin actually
pursued/stalked Zimmerman, not the other way around. If Martin felt
threatened by Zimmerman's entirely lawful activity, that was his
mistake, not Zimmerman's. By confronting Zimmerman, Martin failed in
his duty to retreat, and hence was the actual aggressor...
....and he paid the ultimate price. Since he can't be tried for
stupidity, the best justice he deserves is a posthumously Darwin award
for attempting to bring skittles and tea
to a confrontation with an armed person.
Unlike you, deep birddropping, this isn't about race, black vs white,
what have you. It's about the stupid vs the well prepared.
Be stupid and buy into the false media racial narrative if you like,
but be prepared to have vent your spleen when Zimmerman walks. Life's
a bitch, eh, pooh pooh?
>
> Martin.
>
> Which one had a history of violence and mental health issues and was
> out wandering the streets at night with a gun looking for trouble and
> has lied about everything regarding the incident in question?
>
> Zimmerman.
>
> And the jury is damned well going to figure it out.
>
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MFB