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greg.kujawa

1/5/2007 4:41:00 PM

I got returned from a trip to my Barnes and Noble store next door.
Grabbed a coffee and checked out the Computer section of the store. It
was great to see perhaps a dozen different Ruby titles on the shelf.
Everything from The Ruby Way 2nd edition to various Rails books. Just a
year ago there was maybe half the amount of titles on that shelf. It
seems as if Ruby is indeed "making traction" (gotta love
corporatespeak) in the overall technical community. And after forcing
myself into more C# project work I can say Ruby is still my favorite
for quick and dirty programming. A lot more fun than using just about
anything else!
8 Answers

Matthew Harris

1/6/2007 5:45:00 PM

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"Quick and dirty" almost sounds offensive :P
It's good for much more than just "quick and dirty" programming.
You know, to some, it's a way of life :)

On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:45 AM, gregarican wrote:

> I got returned from a trip to my Barnes and Noble store next door.
> Grabbed a coffee and checked out the Computer section of the store. It
> was great to see perhaps a dozen different Ruby titles on the shelf.
> Everything from The Ruby Way 2nd edition to various Rails books.
> Just a
> year ago there was maybe half the amount of titles on that shelf. It
> seems as if Ruby is indeed "making traction" (gotta love
> corporatespeak) in the overall technical community. And after forcing
> myself into more C# project work I can say Ruby is still my favorite
> for quick and dirty programming. A lot more fun than using just about
> anything else!
>
>

r

1/7/2007 2:44:00 AM

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Matthew Harris wrote:
> "Quick and dirty" almost sounds offensive :P
> It's good for much more than just "quick and dirty" programming.
> You know, to some, it's a way of life :)

ya, Ruby's got breadth(uses from sys admins to developers) and
depth...

this Nuby just had a look at yaml/rubytypes.rb, good golly. and the
kernel method for y in the parent yaml.rb, just to satisify a nagging
curiosity about how it would be possible to include yaml.rb and have
all objects suddenly have to_yaml...it's deep.

bet PHP's var_dump() doesn't look like that.

-r

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

5/15/2013 1:36:00 PM

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On Wed, 15 May 2013 05:08:37 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:17:39 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 14 May 2013 04:32:00 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>><klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:49:56 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:56:22 -0400, "Scout"
>>>><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"deep" wrote in message news:67p1p8hsutmr0h7m1aioc79420qvlno1c1@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 23:16:57 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And, who developed that received wisdom?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Homeland Security, the FBI, independent security analysts, to name but
>>>>>>>> three.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The left.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are "left" only in the delusions of vocal fanatics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Whatever. You have your fantasies, I have mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Name one example of left wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>> country since the 70s.
>>>>>
>>>>>Name one example of right wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>country since the 70s.
>>>>
>>>>Sure
>>>>
>>>>http://www.digitaljournal.com/arti...
>>>>
>>>>Sovereign Citizens Movement ? anti-government ideology:
>>>
>>>Explain how someone who is "anti-government" can possibly be
>>>"right-wing."
>>>
>>>right-wing = the conservative or reactionary section of a political
>>>party or system.
>>
>>I never realized you were such a political illiterate.
>>I guess you learn something new every day.
>
>I know YOU just did!

Klaus, you don't seem to know your ass from a hole in the ground.

Klaus Schadenfreude

5/15/2013 1:44:00 PM

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On Wed, 15 May 2013 06:35:40 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
<Dev@null.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 15 May 2013 05:08:37 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:17:39 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 14 May 2013 04:32:00 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>><klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:49:56 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:56:22 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"deep" wrote in message news:67p1p8hsutmr0h7m1aioc79420qvlno1c1@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 23:16:57 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And, who developed that received wisdom?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Homeland Security, the FBI, independent security analysts, to name but
>>>>>>>>> three.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The left.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are "left" only in the delusions of vocal fanatics
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Whatever. You have your fantasies, I have mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Name one example of left wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>>> country since the 70s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Name one example of right wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>>country since the 70s.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.digitaljournal.com/arti...
>>>>>
>>>>>Sovereign Citizens Movement ? anti-government ideology:
>>>>
>>>>Explain how someone who is "anti-government" can possibly be
>>>>"right-wing."
>>>>
>>>>right-wing = the conservative or reactionary section of a political
>>>>party or system.
>>>
>>>I never realized you were such a political illiterate.
>>>I guess you learn something new every day.
>>
>>I know YOU just did!
>
>Klaus, you don't seem to know your ass from a hole in the ground.

GOP, you're too stupid to understand why one can't be "left-wing" or
"right-wing" and be "anti-government."

I know you've been on your knees swallowing the government's
"anti-government" spunk for years now, and it seems natural to you.

You're not alone. There are a LOT of stupid, thirsty people out there.

And I know you've never considered what right-wingers are to the right
OF. And it escapes you what left-wingers might be to the left OF.

Because if you did, you'd understand how this all works.

Lliberals are such experts at demonizing their opponents, and this is
just another trick to get the faithful to start salivating when they
hear the "anti-government" bell.

Scout

5/15/2013 11:33:00 PM

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"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
news:9u27p85gbbbbv7joe0ekibtng7gflj5707@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 May 2013 05:08:20 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
> <klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:14:03 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 14 May 2013 04:14:37 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>><klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:49:56 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:56:22 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"deep" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:67p1p8hsutmr0h7m1aioc79420qvlno1c1@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 23:16:57 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And, who developed that received wisdom?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Homeland Security, the FBI, independent security analysts, to name
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> three.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The left.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are "left" only in the delusions of vocal fanatics
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Whatever. You have your fantasies, I have mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Name one example of left wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>>> country since the 70s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Name one example of right wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>>country since the 70s.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.digitaljournal.com/arti...
>>>>>
>>>>>Sovereign Citizens Movement - anti-government ideology: Authorities
>>>>>and monitors of militant right-wing extremist groups are increasingly
>>>>>concerned about the threat posed by a subset of anti-government
>>>>>radicals called "sovereign citizens."
>>>>>
>>>>>Sovereign citizens are a segment of the overall anti-government
>>>>>movement and believe the government is illegitimate and has no
>>>>>authority over them. They believe that they are not subject to U.S.
>>>>>laws or taxation.
>>>>>
>>>>>The movement is a loosely organized collective of individuals and
>>>>>groups with a largely anti-government ideology that was first
>>>>>developed decades ago in white supremacist circles.
>>>>>
>>>>>In a September 2011 report the FBI noted that six law enforcement
>>>>>officers were killed in the line of duty by lone wolf sovereign
>>>>>citizens since 2000
>>>>
>>>>There's ONE.
>>>
>>>You asked for one.You were given one.
>>
>>Actually, no, I wasn't given ANY.
>
> Actually you were.
>
> One prevalent sovereign-citizen theory is the Redemption Theory, which
> claims the U.S. government went bankrupt when it abandoned the gold
> standard basis for currency in 1933 and began using citizens as
> collateral in trade agreements with foreign governments.2 These
> beliefs can provide a gateway to illegal activity because such
> individuals believe the U.S. government does not act in the best
> interests of the American people. By announcing themselves as
> sovereign citizens, they are emancipated from the responsibilities of
> being a U.S. citizen, including paying taxes, possessing a state
> driver's license, or obeying the law.


See? They aren't anti-government. They are anti illegitimate government.

There is a difference.

If they were anti-government then they wouldn't approve of the federal
government before 1933. Since they do that means there is government they
approve of.

So once again...where is the anti-government you claim?

Scout

5/15/2013 11:36:00 PM

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"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
news:vg66p89ioe2t3qd9m2hqcdltkhv8l093up@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 May 2013 04:32:00 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
> <klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:49:56 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:56:22 -0400, "Scout"
>>><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"deep" wrote in message
>>>>news:67p1p8hsutmr0h7m1aioc79420qvlno1c1@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 23:16:57 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And, who developed that received wisdom?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Homeland Security, the FBI, independent security analysts, to name
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> three.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The left.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are "left" only in the delusions of vocal fanatics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whatever. You have your fantasies, I have mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Name one example of left wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>> country since the 70s.
>>>>
>>>>Name one example of right wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>country since the 70s.
>>>
>>>Sure
>>>
>>>http://www.digitaljournal.com/arti...
>>>
>>>Sovereign Citizens Movement - anti-government ideology:
>>
>>Explain how someone who is "anti-government" can possibly be
>>"right-wing."
>>
>>right-wing = the conservative or reactionary section of a political
>>party or system.
>
> I never realized you were such a political illiterate.
> I guess you learn something new every day.

We learned that you can't back up your bullshit.

Still waiting for a cite to a right wing anti-government militancy.

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

5/16/2013 4:19:00 AM

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On Wed, 15 May 2013 19:36:20 -0400, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>news:vg66p89ioe2t3qd9m2hqcdltkhv8l093up@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 14 May 2013 04:32:00 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>> <klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:49:56 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:56:22 -0400, "Scout"
>>>><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"deep" wrote in message
>>>>>news:67p1p8hsutmr0h7m1aioc79420qvlno1c1@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 23:16:57 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And, who developed that received wisdom?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Homeland Security, the FBI, independent security analysts, to name
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> three.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The left.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are "left" only in the delusions of vocal fanatics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Whatever. You have your fantasies, I have mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Name one example of left wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>> country since the 70s.
>>>>>
>>>>>Name one example of right wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>country since the 70s.
>>>>
>>>>Sure
>>>>
>>>>http://www.digitaljournal.com/arti...
>>>>
>>>>Sovereign Citizens Movement - anti-government ideology:
>>>
>>>Explain how someone who is "anti-government" can possibly be
>>>"right-wing."
>>>
>>>right-wing = the conservative or reactionary section of a political
>>>party or system.
>>
>> I never realized you were such a political illiterate.
>> I guess you learn something new every day.
>
>We learned that you can't back up your bullshit.
>
>Still waiting for a cite to a right wing anti-government militancy.

I cited over a thousand of them and an FBI Bulletin expressing concern
about a particularly murderous one that pulled off the Oklahoma
bombing and just keeps going.

Just enjoy your deluded circle jerk, there is nothing more to say.

Scout

5/16/2013 5:12:00 AM

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"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
news:acn8p8dvb1ubouq3rc1469gjagbibb3stv@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 May 2013 19:36:20 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <Dev@null.net> wrote in message
>>news:vg66p89ioe2t3qd9m2hqcdltkhv8l093up@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 14 May 2013 04:32:00 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>> <klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:49:56 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>><Dev@null.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:56:22 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"deep" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:67p1p8hsutmr0h7m1aioc79420qvlno1c1@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2013 23:16:57 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>> <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And, who developed that received wisdom?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Homeland Security, the FBI, independent security analysts, to name
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> three.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The left.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are "left" only in the delusions of vocal fanatics
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Whatever. You have your fantasies, I have mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Name one example of left wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>>> country since the 70s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Name one example of right wing anti government militancy in this
>>>>>>country since the 70s.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.digitaljournal.com/arti...
>>>>>
>>>>>Sovereign Citizens Movement - anti-government ideology:
>>>>
>>>>Explain how someone who is "anti-government" can possibly be
>>>>"right-wing."
>>>>
>>>>right-wing = the conservative or reactionary section of a political
>>>>party or system.
>>>
>>> I never realized you were such a political illiterate.
>>> I guess you learn something new every day.
>>
>>We learned that you can't back up your bullshit.
>>
>>Still waiting for a cite to a right wing anti-government militancy.
>
> I cited over a thousand of them

No, you cited people that are against certain policies of the existing
government. That does NOT mean they are anti-government.

>and an FBI Bulletin expressing concern
> about a particularly murderous one that pulled off the Oklahoma
> bombing and just keeps going.

Yea, and that has what to do with your claim they are anti-government?

Hell, if we go by the standard you are attempting to set up then YOU are
anti-government, Dudu is anti-government, ever person out there that opposes
any government policy or leader is anti-government.

So, no, simply pointing to some people who have issues when our current
government does NOT establish them as anti-government. They may be anti
certain government policies, actions, etc, but being opposed to what the
government is doing is NOT the same as saying you're against any government.