Robert Klemme
11/28/2006 4:36:00 PM
On 28.11.2006 17:17, Mr P wrote:
> Our team uses Perl for almost 100% of our projects, as we have for the
> past 10 year or so. At that point we broke from the C/C++ herd and
> never looked back. Our productivity has been the best in the
> corporation since, and we hear nothing but complaints and bad-mouthing
> from the Java/C++ cadre since their design and implementations are
> typically 5-10X what ours are..
:-))
> Anyhow- as the team director, I'm always *looking ahead*. Although Perl
> is still serving us well, I'm thinking for the benefit of our
> developers ( to get more languages in their personal toolkit ) as well
> as making productivity improvements through OO design and the ruby
> environment, I'm starting to talk up and promote Ruby as the NEXT
> language.
>
> This REALLY set off a firestorm from the Java folks, They are already
> they are trying to undermine us with comments like:
Maybe they are sensing that they are behind the Perk camp already and
fear looking even worse compared to a well trained Ruby group. Or will
they be forced to learn Ruby, too?
> o you'll never find any developers to support it, there are almost none
> in the USA
I believe this is nonsense although I do not have statistics to prove
it. From reading here I would guess though that there are plenty out
there - and increasing.
> o you won't like anything that comes out of Japan (this comment from a
> country that was conquered by Japan and still harbors a lot of
> resentment, so I sort of discounted that comment! )
Yeah, complete rubbish!
> o its not gaining popularity and will probably die out
Actually traffic in this group has significantly increased over the past
years and RoR is only adding to the momentum. Maybe do a search on any
of the archives for a month these days and two years ago. I'd expect to
see a significant raise.
> o might as well just use Java
Um, I don't know what you are actually doing but as a general statement
this is rather meek. You can be quite productive with Java if you have
a decent IDE (which can be obtained for free) but you are likely more
productive with Ruby (assuming similar training and expertise). Java
has certainly an edge for performance critical tasks.
Ironically there are activities going on to make Ruby execute on a JVM -
so they could actually have the best of both worlds. :-)
> ... and so on..
>
> Anyhow, if you all can provide me with websites on Ruby stats vis-a-vis
> other languages, trends, successes, etc., I'd like to go into this
> battle armed! The break from the herd 10 years ago was very
> productive, and my impression is that Ruby would have similar results.
Someone posted a link to a site that shows programming language
popularity statistics some weeks ago. Maybe you can dig that up again.
Good luck! If they don't believe you send them here. :-)
Kind regards
robert