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[OT] the name of Matz

Byung-Hee HWANG

11/7/2006 2:27:00 PM

Hello,

I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
"Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
"Matsumoto".

Sincerely,

Byung-Hee

[1] http://www.ruby-lang.org...
[2] https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/docs/notesan...
41 Answers

Yukihiro Matsumoto

11/7/2006 3:35:00 PM

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Hi,

In message "Re: [OT] the name of Matz"
on Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:26:56 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> writes:

|I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
|don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
|capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
|with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
|Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
|"Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
|"Matsumoto".

FYI, My family name is Matsumoto. I don't see family-name-capital
convention much in the English speaking countries, I hesitated to do
so in public. Just call me Matz.

matz.

Josef 'Jupp' Schugt

11/7/2006 9:18:00 PM

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* Byung-Hee HWANG, 11/07/2006 03:26 PM:
> I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
> don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
> capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
> with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
> Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
> "Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
> "Matsumoto".

Talking about conventions one should keep in mind that ruby-talk also
is comp.lang.ruby. On the Usenet writing words in all uppercase means
that they are shouted (unless they are acronyms).

Confusion about which part of a name is which is a general issue with
languages. In many languages native speakers have little problem with
identifying the parts but all languages have exeptions as well.

In general German allows to identify the parts in the same way most
languages do: By identifying words that are only use for first or
last names. But this is not always the case:

Suppose someone signs a message with "Hans Werner". This may mean
that his first name is Hans and his last name is Werner but it may
also mean that his first names are Hans and Werner. Even worse: If
some signs a message with "Fritz" this may mean that his first name
is "Fritz" but also that his last name is "Fritz". Both uses of the
name exist.

In my opinion the second-best solution is to ignore the issue and
only solve problems when they arise instead of solving them in a way
that adds other problems. The best one is what Matz does: Having a
one-word nickname. This is helpful in real-life as well. I uses my
nickname "Jupp" in real life as well. People have little to no
problem to recall it even if they only meet me once :-)

Jupp
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Gregory Brown

11/8/2006 2:26:00 AM

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On 11/7/06, Josef 'Jupp' Schugt <jupp@gmx.de> wrote:
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> * Byung-Hee HWANG, 11/07/2006 03:26 PM:
> > I saw the full name of Matz, ruby creater, on the web [1]. However, I
> > don't know what is family name in his full name. AFAIK, CIA uses all
> > capital letters for family names because the factbook users are faced
> > with a world of different cultures and naming conventions [2].
> > Therefore, I suggest that the full name of Matz might be mark from
> > "Yukihiro Matsumoto" to "Yukihiro MATSUMOTO" if his family name is
> > "Matsumoto".
>
> Talking about conventions one should keep in mind that ruby-talk also
> is comp.lang.ruby. On the Usenet writing words in all uppercase means
> that they are shouted (unless they are acronyms).

MASUMOTO!!! ;)

By the way, that convention is true across IRC,Instant Messanger, Email, etc.
It's not Usenet specific. (Though i'm not certain, it may indeed have
originated there)

Gregory Brown

11/8/2006 2:27:00 AM

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On 11/7/06, Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/7/06, Josef 'Jupp' Schugt <jupp@gmx.de> wrote:

> > Talking about conventions one should keep in mind that ruby-talk also
> > is comp.lang.ruby. On the Usenet writing words in all uppercase means
> > that they are shouted (unless they are acronyms).
>
> MASUMOTO!!! ;)

Not only was I yelling, I was also spelling Matz's name wrong.
<hangs head>

Yukihiro Matsumoto

11/8/2006 3:48:00 AM

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Hi,

In message "Re: [OT] the name of Matz"
on Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:27:00 +0900, "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> writes:

|> MASUMOTO!!! ;)
|
|Not only was I yelling, I was also spelling Matz's name wrong.
|<hangs head>

And it was my classmate's family name. Really.

matz.

Dido Sevilla

11/8/2006 4:56:00 AM

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On 11/7/06, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
> FYI, My family name is Matsumoto. I don't see family-name-capital
> convention much in the English speaking countries, I hesitated to do
> so in public. Just call me Matz.

By the way, I never seem to have seen Matz's name in Kanji. His name
in the foreword of the Pickaxe book is all Hiragana. I imagine it
might be:

????

but then again, there seem to be hundreds of ways of writing ????
(Yukihiro) as a given name, and about a handful more ways to write the
surname ???? (Matsumoto).

Yukihiro Matsumoto

11/8/2006 5:38:00 AM

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Hi,

In message "Re: [OT] the name of Matz"
on Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:55:50 +0900, "Dido Sevilla" <dido.sevilla@gmail.com> writes:

|????

The above Kanji rarely reads "Yukihiro". For curious, mine is

?? ??

matz.

Devin Mullins

11/8/2006 6:11:00 AM

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Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> Just call me Matz.
Question: When spoken, should it be 'a' as in "hats" or 'a' as in "blah"
(or, oh, say, "Matsumoto")?

Devin (as in 'French gin')

Yukihiro Matsumoto

11/8/2006 6:33:00 AM

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Hi,

In message "Re: [OT] the name of Matz"
on Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:10:43 +0900, Devin Mullins <twifkak@comcast.net> writes:

|> Just call me Matz.
|Question: When spoken, should it be 'a' as in "hats" or 'a' as in "blah"
|(or, oh, say, "Matsumoto")?

Ah, I was asked same question at the last RubyConf. The official
answer is "I don't care" (note: Japanese has only 5 vowels). English
speakers seem to use the former.

matz.

andreas.krohn

11/8/2006 1:24:00 PM

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Dido Sevilla wrote:
> On 11/7/06, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
> > FYI, My family name is Matsumoto. I don't see family-name-capital
> > convention much in the English speaking countries, I hesitated to do
> > so in public. Just call me Matz.
>
> By the way, I never seem to have seen Matz's name in Kanji. His name
> in the foreword of the Pickaxe book is all Hiragana. I imagine it
> might be:
>
> ????
>
> but then again, there seem to be hundreds of ways of writing ????
> (Yukihiro) as a given name, and about a handful more ways to write the
> surname ???? (Matsumoto).