Free Tibet
11/5/2009 3:06:00 PM
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:20:42 +0000 (UTC), acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
>In article <20091105040051.5D8CA81494@fleegle.mixmin.net>,
>Free Tibet <freetibet@nym.mixmin.net> wrote:
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>>On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:35:30 +0000 (UTC), acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
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>>> In Brad Pitt's movie Seven Years in Tibet, the current Dalai Lama
>>> as a teenager told the Pitt character to build a movie house for
>>> him so that he could watch movies night after night. In doing so,
>>> he exploited a vast number of commoners who physically labored and
>>> mentally strained to satisfy His Holiness' selfish desire. They
>>> were stressed by the thought that their work was hurting the earth
>>> worms, which the Dalai Lama and his predecessors had taught them
>>> and their ancestors generation after generation that the worms were
>>> their _mothers_.
>>>
>>> And the young Dalai Lama monopolized Pitt's character to be his sole
>>> private tutor, instead of deploying the latter's expertise to educate
>>> hundreds of school-age children in those precious seven years.
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>>Can you give us an update on what's happening in Bold and the Beautiful, too?
>>
>>I believe all that shit!
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>Since I've never heard of the title you mentioned, i googled it and
>realized that it's a soap opera! No wonder because I don't watch TV.
>
>So, I gather that you felt that the movie "Seven Years In Tibet" was
>like a soap opera and did injustice to the Dalai Lama or the Tibetan
>people?
It was a movie and like all movies its content is crafted into a dramatic structure
to suit the western audience and to make as many dollars as possible from the
investment. If you are relying on the movie to be accurate in what took place during
that time Harrer was in Tibet then it's probably a mistake.
>
>That's not the impression I got. The blurp on the VHS I paid for at a
>used book shop a few years ago says it's serious stuff, based on a
>memoir written by a Heinrich Harrer of Austria, who was a real person
>with a well-documented relationship with the Dalai Lama since the days
>of the boy Lama in the late 1940s.
Harrer and His Holiness forged a strong friendship. His Holiness was a boy and Harrer
a striking climber and athlete. They formed a strong bond up until Harrer died a few
years back.
>
>Since Harrer is known to be such a friend of the Dalai Lama, there is
>no reason for me to believe that he was trying to write a soap opera
>about his friend the Dalai Lama. And there is also no reason to
>believe that the big budget Hollywood film would want to smear the
>Dalai Lama's or the Tibetan people's reputation.
I don't want to discuss Hollywood and what it would or wouldn't do. It's a money
making machine.
>
>And as I pointed out, I studied Buddhism as a subject in philosophy
>and learned a bit about the tenets of the belief. Buddhists do
>believe in recarnation and except for the holy few, like the Dalai
>Lama and his mother, e.g., people reincarnate into "lower" life forms,
>including that of a worm if you aren't good enough in this life.
If you're talking about Tibetan Buddhism, that's not quite correct. Very
simplistically, the form of your next rebirth depends on your state of mind at death.
The quality of your rebirth depends on your actions throughout your life. On top of
this are the karmic imprints from previous lives also play a part. Yes, we all cycle
from body to body and we're much more likely to get a lower rebirth (animal, etc)
than a higher one - human.
It is also correct to say that, unlike lowly beings like ourselves who have
absolutely NO control over our rebirth, beings like His Holiness the Dalai Lama, His
Holiness the Kamarpa, and highly realized beings have total control over their
rebirth.
The Kamarpa writes down information relating to his rebirth before he dies and it's
sealed and opened only after a reasonable time after his death, around 3 to 4 years.
In this 'last testament he writes where he'll be reborn, when, to which parents, any
distinguishing marks on the house or the area, etc. A search party goes looking and
finds the reincarnate lama who is then tested to ensure he's the right one.
BTW the CCP believe they know how to find reincarnate lamas too! They're not Buddhist
either! LOL
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>And there is no evidence that the religion has changed.
>
>The religion, in my opinion creates an obstacle for the Tibetan people
>in their drive for nationhood. (On the other hand though, Buddhism
>is not meant for its believers to form a nation and fight for material
>goods and worldly comfort, is it? The Buddha basically said, follow
>me and give up all your worldly desire and by doing so, you'll be
>liberated from all the pains and suffering associated with living in a
>material world. This, in my view, lies the fundamental contradiction
>of having the Dalai Lama as leader for the TI movement.)
I missed the logic jump there. You think Buddhists should be pushovers? Have a chat
to Ven Robina Courtin at the Liberation Prison Project! She's one tough nun and
someone hardened lifers have deep respect for. Check out info on her if you think
Buddhists are whimps. She's not alone in her nut cracking ability.
>
>Furthermore, the Dalai Lama hasn't shown himself to be holy either as
>a boy lama living in Lhasa before or as an adult lama living in exile.
>His conduct and his freewheeling comments of a range of subjects have
>been simply uninspiring, not to mention his inability to project any
>aura of holiness.
This is your critique of His Holiness' performance? What would satisfy your desire
for 'holiness'? Walk through walls? Levitate? Freewheeling comments reported in the
media. Have you ever read anything in the paper that you've said to a reporter? I
have and it's scary how wrong they can get it. How much of your attitude towards His
Holiness is based on anything he has written? Lots of people write lots of stuff
about him. Do you believe all that's written? Have you read any of his books? Have
you attended any of his talks? Have you actually seen him in real life or just on
the little screen?
>
>When he publicly showed adoration for George Bush, a fool who presided
>over the biggest slaughter of people in the start of the 21st century,
>the Dalai Lama lost all credibility as a peace-loving buddhist, much
>less a leader of anything.
You're twisting words here. He didn't show 'adoration' for George Bush. He called him
a friend. That's one thing I could never do, call George Bush a friend, but that just
shows how shallow my wisdom and compassion are.
It takes a whole lot of guts to see below the surface and see the real person and not
the actions. Yes, George's karma will drive him into a terrible rebirth,yet His
Holiness can say out loud 'this PERSON is ok' with true love and compassion. I don't
have the ability to do that. Ven Robina Courtin does it every day with murderers too.
I couldn't do it. Do you think His Holiness doesn't know what people think of George
Bush?? Do you perhaps think there might be a teaching in there somewhere?
I have never heard His Holiness say anything negative about any person. He'll
criticize the CCP - the organization, the Chinese Government, but never the Chinese
people, never. I think you do him a gross disservice.
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