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Research Methodology (RE: Real World Scalability and Ruby - Top 2 0

Peter Booth

9/11/2006 2:43:00 AM

Actually Joseph used one of the soundest research methods I know of. He
published an obviously flawed "Strawman", didn't pretend it was anything it
wasn't, and the wisdom of the group began fixing errors and filling in
blanks. So, just like "Nail Soup", a basic seed is evolving into a matrix
that has more information than any single one of us could contribute.

Thanks for taking the initiative,

Peter.


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph [mailto:jlhurtado@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:55 PM
To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
Subject: Re: Real World Scalability and Ruby - Top 20

Friends,

As Tim Bray suggested I've made my best to drop the guesses on the list, and
show only information I know is either true or reported by some credible
source. When no information is there, I just left a question mark.

I have also updated the list with the information Chad Perrin, Charles
Nutter and Tim Bray added to it. This is the list so far, again open for
improvement:

1 Yahoo FreeBSD
PERL, PHP, Proprietary
"Also Python and Common Lisp" Chad Perrin


2 MSN Windows Server 2000/2003, Some FreeBSD
ASP, ASP.NET
"I believe they're still using some FreeBSD systems at Hotmail, and all of
Windows is behind free unix firewalls through a proxy service." Chad Perrin

3 Google. Linux based or unknown servers
Python, C, Proprietary, Java

4 Baidu.com Linux based unknown.
?

5. Qq.com Linux based unknown and Windows 2003.
?

6. MySpace Windows 2003 / 2000 some Linux unknowns too.
Coldfusion
"Migrating to BlueDragon.NET, which uses .NET as the back end for
ColdFusion... currently... on a ColdFusion 5 back-end" Chad Perrin

7. sina.com.cn FreeBSD, Solaris 8, Linux based unknowns,
?

8. Yahoo Japan Like Yahoo at 1.

9. 163.com China FreeBSD and some Linux based unknowns,
?

10 Live.com Windows 2003, Linux unknown servers
ASP.NET

11 eBay.com Windows 2000/2003
PERL, Proprietary, Java J2EEE

"eBay is running a crapload of Java... they used to be a solid ASP site
(pre-.NET) but switched to Java because the ASP stuff scaled horribly...the
site has Sun/Java branding...it's probably safe to assume Java's involved. "
Charles Nutter

12. Sohu.com China Linux unknown servers
?

13. YouTube.com Linux unknown servers
?

14. Yahoo China Like 1

15. Microsoft Windows 2003 / 2000, some FreeBSD at Hotmail, and UNIX
based firewalls.
ASP.net, ASP

16. Wikipedia Apache, very little FreeBSD
Mostly PHP, some minor PERL, Python and some Java for the English
search.

"a grand total of one FreeBSD server... The servers are primarily running on
Fedora Core 3-5...The MediaWiki software is all PHP. MySQL ...it's classic
LAMP platform." Chad Perrin

"but Wikimedia do use Lucene [Apache Java based text search engine]
for at least the english search" A. S. Bradbury

17. Amazon.com FreeBSD, Linux unknown servers, Solaris 8, Netware
PERL, Proprietary, more?

18. Orkut.com Linux unknown server
"ASP.NET" Tim Bray


19. Blogger FreeBSD, Linux unknown servers
?

20. Google UK Like Google


Bye again,

Jose Hurtado
Web Developer
Toronto, Canada


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3 Answers

Charles O Nutter

9/11/2006 2:49:00 AM

0

On 9/10/06, Peter Booth <pbooth@marketaxess.com> wrote:
> Actually Joseph used one of the soundest research methods I know of. He
> published an obviously flawed "Strawman", didn't pretend it was anything it
> wasn't, and the wisdom of the group began fixing errors and filling in
> blanks. So, just like "Nail Soup", a basic seed is evolving into a matrix
> that has more information than any single one of us could contribute.

Except that he drew conclusions from complete guesses, which were
obviously slanted in particular directions. For all the guesses, it
would have been just as safe to guess "Java" or "J2EE" or even "Ruby"
but there wasn't a single such guess. That shows the research was
being conducted to prove a point...not very scientific.

Perhaps it can proceed from here as you described, but it starts off
on a bad foot to make random guesses that lean toward a particular
theory.

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Contribute to RubySpec! @ www.headius.com/rubyspec
Charles Oliver Nutter @ headius.blogspot.com
Ruby User @ ruby.mn

William Grosso

9/11/2006 4:03:00 AM

0


Quite a few of the guesses can be refined using LinkedIn (search for
engineers working at the company; see what skills they list; make
obvious deductions).


Bill


Peter Booth wrote:
> Actually Joseph used one of the soundest research methods I know of. He
> published an obviously flawed "Strawman", didn't pretend it was anything it
> wasn't, and the wisdom of the group began fixing errors and filling in
> blanks. So, just like "Nail Soup", a basic seed is evolving into a matrix
> that has more information than any single one of us could contribute.
>
> Thanks for taking the initiative,
>
> Peter.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph [mailto:jlhurtado@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:55 PM
> To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org
> Subject: Re: Real World Scalability and Ruby - Top 20
>
> Friends,
>
> As Tim Bray suggested I've made my best to drop the guesses on the list, and
> show only information I know is either true or reported by some credible
> source. When no information is there, I just left a question mark.
>
> I have also updated the list with the information Chad Perrin, Charles
> Nutter and Tim Bray added to it. This is the list so far, again open for
> improvement:
>
> 1 Yahoo FreeBSD
> PERL, PHP, Proprietary
> "Also Python and Common Lisp" Chad Perrin
>
>
> 2 MSN Windows Server 2000/2003, Some FreeBSD
> ASP, ASP.NET
> "I believe they're still using some FreeBSD systems at Hotmail, and all of
> Windows is behind free unix firewalls through a proxy service." Chad Perrin
>
> 3 Google. Linux based or unknown servers
> Python, C, Proprietary, Java
>
> 4 Baidu.com Linux based unknown.
> ?
>
> 5. Qq.com Linux based unknown and Windows 2003.
> ?
>
> 6. MySpace Windows 2003 / 2000 some Linux unknowns too.
> Coldfusion
> "Migrating to BlueDragon.NET, which uses .NET as the back end for
> ColdFusion... currently... on a ColdFusion 5 back-end" Chad Perrin
>
> 7. sina.com.cn FreeBSD, Solaris 8, Linux based unknowns,
> ?
>
> 8. Yahoo Japan Like Yahoo at 1.
>
> 9. 163.com China FreeBSD and some Linux based unknowns,
> ?
>
> 10 Live.com Windows 2003, Linux unknown servers
> ASP.NET
>
> 11 eBay.com Windows 2000/2003
> PERL, Proprietary, Java J2EEE
>
> "eBay is running a crapload of Java... they used to be a solid ASP site
> (pre-.NET) but switched to Java because the ASP stuff scaled horribly...the
> site has Sun/Java branding...it's probably safe to assume Java's involved. "
> Charles Nutter
>
> 12. Sohu.com China Linux unknown servers
> ?
>
> 13. YouTube.com Linux unknown servers
> ?
>
> 14. Yahoo China Like 1
>
> 15. Microsoft Windows 2003 / 2000, some FreeBSD at Hotmail, and UNIX
> based firewalls.
> ASP.net, ASP
>
> 16. Wikipedia Apache, very little FreeBSD
> Mostly PHP, some minor PERL, Python and some Java for the English
> search.
>
> "a grand total of one FreeBSD server... The servers are primarily running on
> Fedora Core 3-5...The MediaWiki software is all PHP. MySQL ...it's classic
> LAMP platform." Chad Perrin
>
> "but Wikimedia do use Lucene [Apache Java based text search engine]
> for at least the english search" A. S. Bradbury
>
> 17. Amazon.com FreeBSD, Linux unknown servers, Solaris 8, Netware
> PERL, Proprietary, more?
>
> 18. Orkut.com Linux unknown server
> "ASP.NET" Tim Bray
>
>
> 19. Blogger FreeBSD, Linux unknown servers
> ?
>
> 20. Google UK Like Google
>
>
> Bye again,
>
> Jose Hurtado
> Web Developer
> Toronto, Canada
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------
>
> The information contained in and accompanying this communication is strictly
> confidential and intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s).
> If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then
> delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its
> content to anyone.
> MarketAxess reserves the right to monitor the content of emails sent to or
> from its systems.
> Any comments or statements made are not necessarily those of MarketAxess.
> For more information, please visit www.marketaxess.com. MarketAxess Europe
> Limited is regulated in the UK by the FSA, registered in England no.
> 4017610, registered office at 71 Fenchurch Street, London, EC3M 4BS.
> Telephone (020) 7709 3100.
> MarketAxess Corporation is regulated in the USA by the SEC and the NASD,
> incorporated in Delaware, executive offices at 140 Broadway, New York, NY
> 10005. Telephone (1) 212 813 6000.
>
>
>


Gene Tani

9/11/2006 8:31:00 AM

0


Peter Booth wrote:
> Actually Joseph used one of the soundest research methods I know of. He
> published an obviously flawed "Strawman", didn't pretend it was anything it
> wasn't, and the wisdom of the group began fixing errors and filling in
> blanks. So, just like "Nail Soup", a basic seed is evolving into a matrix
> that has more information than any single one of us could contribute.
>

there's the Sitepoint survey:

http://www.rubyinside.com/sitepoint-reports-531-of-web-developers-using-rub...