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Sun hires JRuby developers.

Ola Bini

9/8/2006 6:27:00 AM


For those of you who haven't seen this yet:
Sun hires JRuby developers Charles O Nutter and Thomas Enebo with a
mandate to work fulltime on JRuby and also think about developer tools
for Ruby developers.

This is obviously great news both for JRuby and the Ruby language.

More info can be found in Tim Bray's Ongoing:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/09/07/...
and Charlies blog (where he has collected links to other places about this):
http://headius.blogspot.com/2006/09/jruby-steps-int...

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18 Answers

Farrel Lifson

9/8/2006 6:50:00 AM

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On 08/09/06, Ola Bini <ola.bini@ki.se> wrote:
>
> For those of you who haven't seen this yet:
> Sun hires JRuby developers Charles O Nutter and Thomas Enebo with a
> mandate to work fulltime on JRuby and also think about developer tools
> for Ruby developers.
>
> This is obviously great news both for JRuby and the Ruby language.
>
> More info can be found in Tim Bray's Ongoing:
> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/09/07/...
> and Charlies blog (where he has collected links to other places about this):
> http://headius.blogspot.com/2006/09/jruby-steps-int...
>
> --
> Ola Bini (http://ola-bini.bl...)
> JvYAML, RbYAML, JRuby and Jatha contributor
> System Developer, Karolinska Institutet (http:/...)
> OLogix Consulting (http://www....)
>
> "Yields falsehood when quined" yields falsehood when quined.
>
>
>

I wonder if Sun plans to push Ruby on the JVM now that IronPython 1.0
has been released?

Charles O Nutter

9/8/2006 8:42:00 AM

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On 9/8/06, Farrel Lifson <farrel.lifson@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if Sun plans to push Ruby on the JVM now that IronPython 1.0
> has been released?

For what it's worth, Sun's HR crew isn't any faster than any other HR
crew...so this process has been in the making for weeks. It was just
an interesting coincidence that IPython had their 1.0 release this
week (although they've been right on the cusp for a month or so).

Tim Bray's FAQs are helpful, and I answered a couple more on my blog
just now...check those out too.

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Richard Conroy

9/8/2006 12:05:00 PM

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On 9/8/06, Farrel Lifson <farrel.lifson@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if Sun plans to push Ruby on the JVM now that IronPython 1.0
> has been released?

I think they are just hedging their bets. Sun have always been about keeping
java interoperable. They like people doing language hybrid solutions
as long as one of the languages is Java. JNI was there from the start,
RMI was altered to run over IIOP, and the industrial strength XML support
means you can talk to any other system if its got some kind of schema.

Ruby is especially appealing to Java developers. Its a good syntax fit
as it is directly applicable for a lot of things that you might use Java for,
and addresses a lot of things that are a nuisance in Java.

A lot of the .NET stuff like C# just isn't different enough to warrant learning,
PHP/Perl can be a bit limited in applicability, and Python, while a good
equivalent to Ruby has a syntax style that is less of a fit. Python has been
around a while and so has JPython, and they have swiped some mindshare,
but Ruby is really appealing to a Java mindset, and Sun is betting on
Jave/Ruby being the next Big Language Hybrid for Java.

JRuby has some impressive ideas too. Its early days yet, but the language
penetration is pretty significant. Its not just Ruby code calling Java code, or
deeper stacks, or exception propogation, IIRC you can derive Ruby classes
from Java types (even interfaces) and possibly even do Ruby style aspect
oriented programming things like add behaviour & alter java types at
runtime ... interesting stuff indeed.

Still JRuby has a bit to go. They got some startup performance issues,
and you can't use it everywhere that you would use the regular Ruby
interpreter, hence the sponsoring.

James Gray

9/8/2006 1:33:00 PM

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On Sep 8, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Ola Bini wrote:

>
> For those of you who haven't seen this yet:
> Sun hires JRuby developers Charles O Nutter and Thomas Enebo with a
> mandate to work fulltime on JRuby and also think about developer
> tools for Ruby developers.

Congratulations Charles and Thomas!

This really feels like another milestone Ruby has passed. It has
finally attracted the interest of a big computer company.

Very exciting stuff.

James Edward Gray II

Logan Capaldo

9/8/2006 1:52:00 PM

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On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:32 AM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

> On Sep 8, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Ola Bini wrote:
>
>>
>> For those of you who haven't seen this yet:
>> Sun hires JRuby developers Charles O Nutter and Thomas Enebo with
>> a mandate to work fulltime on JRuby and also think about developer
>> tools for Ruby developers.
>
> Congratulations Charles and Thomas!
>
> This really feels like another milestone Ruby has passed. It has
> finally attracted the interest of a big computer company.
>
> Very exciting stuff.
>
+1

> James Edward Gray II
>

Charles O Nutter

9/8/2006 3:06:00 PM

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And it's worth saying that everyone I've spoken with about Ruby,
JRuby, and dynamic languages in general seems to have the greatest
respect for the communities and applications that have sprung up
around them. In many cases, as with Tim Bray's series of blogs, it's a
pretty Java-agnostic attraction...Ruby the language is Ruby the
language, and they recognize that it's the language that's most
important.

Of course I'm the wide-eyed innocent new employee, but there really
seems to be a lot of excitement about the JRuby move and about dynamic
languages in general at Sun. I think it's going to be a very
interesting year...and if my impressions about this move are off the
mark, I'll do my damnedest to move the mark.

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Rick DeNatale

9/9/2006 2:48:00 PM

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On 9/8/06, Charles O Nutter <headius@headius.com> wrote:
> And it's worth saying that everyone I've spoken with about Ruby,
> JRuby, and dynamic languages in general seems to have the greatest
> respect for the communities and applications that have sprung up
> around them. In many cases, as with Tim Bray's series of blogs, it's a
> pretty Java-agnostic attraction...Ruby the language is Ruby the
> language, and they recognize that it's the language that's most
> important.
>
> Of course I'm the wide-eyed innocent new employee, but there really
> seems to be a lot of excitement about the JRuby move and about dynamic
> languages in general at Sun. I think it's going to be a very
> interesting year...and if my impressions about this move are off the
> mark, I'll do my damnedest to move the mark.

Well Charles, we're pulling for you. It's not the first time that Sun
has 'invested' in dynamic languages. They hired David Ungar and his
Self team back in 1991, but that seems to have been a side-show, The
Self page at Sun Research talks about the team in the past tense.
David still seems to be at Sun Research but hasn't been very active
lately.

Another case is Microsoft, their recent interest in dynamic languages
is not the first. They too hired talent years ago from the dynamic
language community, for example George Bosworth, who was the CTO of
Digitalk. George is no longer there, having left not long ago with the
sense that they weren't buying his 'wild ideas' of making COM more
dynamic.

Let's hope that the corporate environment really IS different now.
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> Charles Oliver Nutter @ headius.blogspot.com
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>
>


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Charles O Nutter

9/9/2006 9:20:00 PM

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On 9/9/06, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's hope that the corporate environment really IS different now.

I like to think that open source may be the missing part of the
equations in the examples you cited. With Ruby (and to a lesser extent
with JRuby) there's already an existing, vibrant community...many of
whom have expressed great interest in having a JVM-based option for
deploying Ruby applications. In those other cases, it could be argued
that while the ideas were solid they were too far ahead of their
time...solutions looking for a problem. Perhaps this time we really
have the critical mass to make something great happen. Can you imagine
what it would be like if in five years 90% of developers are writing
in languages like Ruby across *all* the major platforms? Do you know
how many therapists and tech schools we'll put out of business? It
boggles the mind.

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Rich Morin

9/9/2006 9:56:00 PM

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At 6:19 AM +0900 9/10/06, Charles O Nutter wrote:
> I like to think that open source may be the missing part
> of the equations in the examples you cited. ...

I've been following Sun's activities for years. It's been
sad to see them hobble wonderful technology with egregious
licensing terms. Had they acted differently, NeWS might
have replaced X11 (or at least provided the incentive for
someone to replace it with something reasonable), the Java
libraries might have been Open Source from the start, etc.

Recently, however, Sun has begun to show strong signs that
they "get it" about licensing technology to encourage its
adoption across the industry. I don't know how this will
play out financially, but I wish them well in the effort!

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Gary Wright

9/9/2006 10:43:00 PM

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On Sep 9, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Rich Morin wrote:
> I've been following Sun's activities for years. It's been
> sad to see them hobble wonderful technology with egregious
> licensing terms. Had they acted differently, NeWS might
> have replaced X11 (or at least provided the incentive for
> someone to replace it with something reasonable), the Java
> libraries might have been Open Source from the start, etc.

The whole javascript/Ajax movement causes me to have deja vu
with respect to NeWS. Almost twenty years ago, NeWS was all
about crafting code and sending it to a client/browser for
execution in order to offer a rich-gui in a networked environment.

It is a wonder that the IT industry can be productive at all
when it spends most of its time re-inventing things.


Gary Wright