David Hartung
8/24/2010 12:56:00 AM
On 08/23/2010 03:13 PM, Lamont Cranston wrote:
> On 8/22/2010 9:06 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 08/22/2010 09:56 AM, * US * wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:24:04 -0500, David Hartung<david@lemagroup.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/21/2010 09:20 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 21, 5:27 pm, David Hartung<da...@lemagroup.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where in the Old Testament do you believe that the Church is
>>>>>>>> granted any
>>>>>>>> right to wage war against a false faith?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why don't you tell us, since you are an Old Testament expert ;>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not aware of any scripture, in either Old or New Testament which
>>>>>> can reasonably be construed to grant the Church on Earth the
>>>>>> authority
>>>>>> or right to wage war against someone simply because they practice a
>>>>>> false faith.
>>>>>
>>>>> The OT says to kill everyone who doesn't instantly convert to
>>>>> worshiping the Israelites' God.
>>>>
>>>> Chapter and verse?
>>>
>>> You've never read the OT, have you.
>>>
>>> Christian Scripture, "The Holy Bible" [KJV]:
>>>
>>> Exodus c 22 v 18
>>> "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
>>>
>>> Exodus c 22 v 20
>>> "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be
>>> utterly destroyed."
>>>
>>> Deuteronomy c 7 v 2
>>> "the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite
>>> them, and
>>> utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show
>>> mercy
>>> unto them"
>>>
>>> Deuteronomy c 7 v 24
>>> "and thou shalt destroy their name from under heaven: there shall no
>>> man be
>>> able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them."
>>>
>>> Deuteronomy c 9 v 3
>>> "so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD
>>> hath
>>> said unto thee."
>>>
>>> Deuteronomy c 12 v 1-2
>>> "These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in
>>> the
>>> land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all
>>> the days
>>> that ye live upon the earth.
>>> Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye
>>> shall
>>> possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the
>>> hills, and
>>> under every green tree"
>>>
>>> Joshua c 12 v 1
>>> "the kings of the land, which the children of Israel smote"
>>>
>>> Joshua c 12 v 6
>>> "Moses the servant of the LORD and the children of Israel smite"
>>>
>>> Joshua c 12 v 7
>>> "Joshua and the children of Israel smote"
>>>
>>> 2 Samuel 11 v 1
>>> "they destroyed the children of Ammon"
>>>
>>> 1st Kings c 15 v 3
>>> "utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both
>>> man
>>> and woman, infant and suckling"
>>>
>>> 1st Kings c 15 v 18
>>> "And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy
>>> the
>>> sinners [...] and fight against them until they be consumed.
>>>
>>> 1st Kings c 15 v 20
>>> "I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the
>>> LORD
>>> sent me [...] and have utterly destroyed "
>>>
>>> 1st Kings c 15 v 33
>>> "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD."
>>>
>>> 1st Kings c 23 v 2
>>> "the LORD said unto David, Go, and smite"
>>>
>>> 2 Chronicles c 24 v 21
>>> "they conspired against him, and stoned him with stones at the
>>> commandment
>>> of the king in the court of the house of the LORD."
>>>
>>> Esther c 9 v 5
>>> "the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and
>>> slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would"
>>>
>>> Esther c 9 v 6
>>> "the Jews slew and destroyed"
>>>
>>> Esther c 9 v 16
>>> "slew of their foes seventy and five thousand"
>>>
>>> Psalms c 110 v 5-6
>>> "The Lord at thy right hand
>>> shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
>>> He shall judge among the heathen,
>>> he shall fill the places with the dead bodies;
>>> he shall wound the heads over many countries."
>>>
>>> Isaiah c 34 v 2-3
>>> "the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all
>>> their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them
>>> to the
>>> slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall
>>> come up out of
>>> their carcasses, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood."
>>>
>>> Isaiah c 34 v 6
>>> "The sword of the LORD is filled with blood"
>>>
>>> Isaiah c 34 v 7
>>> "their land shall be soaked with blood"
>>>
>>> Jeremiah c 16 v 3-4
>>> "thus saith the LORD concerning the sons and concerning the daughters
>>> that are
>>> born in this place, and concerning their mothers that bare them, and
>>> concerning
>>> their fathers that begat them in this land;
>>> They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither
>>> shall
>>> they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth:
>>> and they
>>> shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses
>>> shall be meat
>>> for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth."
>>>
>>> Jeremiah c 33 v 4-5
>>> "thus saith the LORD ... it is to fill them with the dead bodies of men,
>>> whom I have slain in mine anger and in my fury"
>>>
>>> Ezekiel c 6 v 3-5
>>> "Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains and to the hills, to the
>>> rivers and to
>>> the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I
>>> will destroy
>>> your high places."
>>> "I will cast down your slain"
>>> "... the dead carcasses of the children ..."
>>>
>>> Ezekiel c 6 v 7
>>> "the slain shall fall in the midst of you, and ye shall know that I am
>>> the LORD"
>>>
>>> Ezekiel c 6 v 10
>>> "they shall know that I am the LORD, and that I have not said in vain
>>> that I
>>> would do this evil unto them"
>>>
>>> Amos c 8 v 3
>>> "saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place"
>>
>> Your contention is that Christians are ordered to kill those who do not
>> convert. You have tried to support your contention using the Mosaic Law
>> as given to the Children of Israel, and which the Council of Jerusalem
>> decided was not binding upon Christians.
>>
>> In short, you have failed miserably to support your contention.
>>
>
> Do some research on the Crusades and get back to us.
I was not aware that anything about the crusades was scriptural.