Carrie
9/12/2009 4:17:00 PM
azcamper wrote:
> On Sep 8, 3:48 pm, "Carrie" <starchild1...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Georgie wrote:
>>> On Sep 8, 5:49 am, Carrie <starchild1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 7, 11:54 pm, Georgie <ggazcam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> One of the steps in learning to hear the Voice for Love within is
>>>>> to ask Holy Spirit a question. I struggled with this, as finding a
>>>>> question to ask is like a brain eraser for me! Besides, the most
>>>>> frequently asked question of students new to this discipline, is
>>>>> "Holy Spirit, what should my question be? or Holy Spirit, what
>>>>> would you tell me?" We want Holy Spirit to already know our
>>>>> question, to see our quandary, to understand that we are in pain
>>>>> and need help!
>>
>>>>> I've always struggled intellectually with the concept of God not
>>>>> "seeing" or "knowing" our problems, and why we have to tell Him
>>>>> (is He asleep at the switch? :-)) The idea that all God sees is
>>>>> Love sort of feels awkward. But shortly after listening to David
>>>>> Paul and Candace Doyle discuss this in a broadcast, I got an
>>>>> answer.
>>
>>>>> I was baking an apple pie downstairs and up in the loft, Fred (my
>>>>> husband) started playing his guitar and singing. He hasn't done
>>>>> that much in quite a while, and it has disturbed me that since he
>>>>> retired in early summer, he's just vegging out. But when he plays
>>>>> his guitar he is definitly in his right mind. And when I hear him
>>>>> play, it helps me to be in my right mind. I love it!
>>
>>>>> He was singing the Beatles song "Yesterday" when my brain crawled
>>>>> out of the pie dough and finally heard. I was overcome by the
>>>>> feeling of love and appreciation that I feel when he sings. Then I
>>>>> started listening to the words of that song, perhaps really
>>>>> hearing them for the first time. It's a song of depression and
>>>>> darkness for the poor fellow who is at its center. Yet, I
>>>>> realized that I did not feel depressed hearing those words and
>>>>> they did not at all take away from the feeling of love and peace
>>>>> that I feel when Fred sings. Simultaneously, I remembered the
>>>>> times in my own life when I have been in similar circumstances to
>>>>> that song's central character. Didn't faze me a bit. I'm sure
>>>>> it's the same for Fred also. Many, perhaps most, songs and poems
>>>>> involve strong emotions, often about misery in life. Yet in their
>>>>> singing, no matter how much feeling he puts into it, it is not
>>>>> sad. Perhaps it's like that with "God". He appreciates and looks
>>>>> upon all we do, not buying into any experience of wrongness just
>>>>> because the story we are telling is about "wrongness". He just
>>>>> appreciates and Loves.
>>
>>>>> Well, intellectually, for me, that "God" that does this is not a
>>>>> single entity, but part and parcel of all that I am and you are,
>>>>> in our ongoing and eternal reality. So, I would say, the highest
>>>>> expression of Georgie (organized for the purpose of reflecting on
>>>>> this experience) looks upon all that happens in the story of
>>>>> Georgie with appreciation and Love, just as my minutia experience
>>>>> of listening to Fred play and sing is a blessed experience,
>>>>> regardless of the words of the story he sings.
>>
>>>>> Asking a question is just a means of focusing on something in
>>>>> order to bring the light of Love to shine upon it. It helps us to
>>>>> stop avoiding our issues, because we think we have "forgiven" our
>>>>> issues! But forgiveness does not mean "to push away" a thought. It
>>>>> means to look upon it from a different perspective--the
>>>>> perspective of the Love that we are in our higher and true
>>>>> reality. We offer only Love to our thoughts, as our relationship
>>>>> with our thoughts becomes a holy relationship.
>>
>>>>> Yes, we can experience that perspective. We all DO experience it,
>>>>> but like night dreams, such experiences are quickly swept into the
>>>>> closet as we get busy doing our chores in life! Sooner or later,
>>>>> we put down the broom and let the music out!
>>
>>>>> --Georgie
>>
>>>> Maybe we aren't supposed to (expected to) THINK about this stuff
>>>> and try and figure it out.
>>>> Just feel it, experience it.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> Feelings are thoughts. They are processed in a different manner in
>>> the right side of the brain, while explicit word thoughts are
>>> processed in the left side of the brain. . No one type of thought
>>> is better than another. But all types can be used by HS for the
>>> purpose of extending love.
>>
>>> Our thoughts are like poetry when they help us to get a different
>>> type of experience. Being in the Oneness is a totally different
>>> type of awareness. Being in a state of loving communication with
>>> another at a higher level is an intensely different type of
>>> experience also.
>>
>>> I agree with you. The experience is necessary and inevitable. But it
>>> is preceded by thought which opens us up to the experience--whatever
>>> it takes, HS will accomplish through us.
>>
>>> --Georgie
>>
>> Thought involves figuring things out.
>> Feeling is more of an experience.
>> Instead of the need to "figure it out" and think about it, and come
>> to conclusions, like Love is all that is Real (which also involves
>> fogriveness and letting grievances go) just remembering and FEELING
>> this (Love, and all that goes with it) seems simplier and more
>> direct. Love (the feeling) aligns one with Holy Spirit, in a simple
>> and direct way.
>> Of course, whatever you feel need or and is best for you.- Hide
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>
> Hi Carrie. For me, it was the experience of really feeling that
> oneness and that all encompassing and connecting love that really
> opened my eyes. However, your last sentence is worth generalizing.
> Everything in anyone's life can and is used by the Holy Spirit to lead
> to awareness. No particular thing that we experience in the world, be
> it labeled "logical" thought or "feeling" thought, is special.
> Different things work for different people. That being said, it is the
> experience that convinces.
>
> But, what is experience? Feelings are just biochemical reactions. They
> really are conditioned on our history of responses that come from our
> incomplete analysis using left brained thoughts, starting pre-birth.
>
> Have you read any of Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor's work? She is the brain
> scientist (very left brain oriented!) who had a major stroke in the
> left hemisphere. She "experienced" the stroke using her right brain.
> Subsequent to recovery, she has pushed for a more balanced approach in
> how we use our brains and how we understand our earthly experience. My
> question about her experience and current teaching is "Who/what is the
> 'who' that is experiencing even events experienced by the "feeling"
> right brain?"
I've seen her on TV. I think she wrote a book about having a stroke, or
wrote about her experiences with it.
I don't get too into things that involve the physical body/form and what
seems to be happening to them.
I'm more a believer in all is energy- mind.
Like maybe in her case she studied the brain (the form) and focuses on
it, and attracted to herself the stroke, which she found so fascinating.
>
> Just as a note: I've had two most influential (for me) types of
> experiences with Love. In one, I was awakened in the middle of the
> night while sleeping under the stars in the desert. As I gazed upon
> the star-filled sky, I immediately "moved" into a oneness with the
> universe. I KNEW that it was me. I had a sense that "to the left" was
> my "little" life as a human. There was no perception involved, just a
> sense. But that "human 'soul'" was just a focus point, while my
> reality was totally with the All. It was a profound experience and
> didn't involve "feelings" like the ones I normally experience. It was,
> what I would describe, an "out of time" experience, a true moment of
> Grace.
>
> The other type of experience with Love has occured while I give
> spiritual counseling sessions, in which I allow HS to speak to another
> through me. (This is not a special ability. We teach anyone who wants
> to know, how to do this.) That experience is one of the most profound
> "feeling" of Love and connectedness. While surroundings are in one's
> periferal awareness, they "fall away" when the connectedness and Love
> are expressing themselves. It is a profound experience, but it is
> different from the "non-feeling" experience I had as one with the
> universe while in the desert.
>
> I believe that both experiences are "real" in that they are
> expressions of Love. But I have spent a lifetime in an intellectual
> pursuit of such experience. For me, that pursuit was a gift from my
> Higher Self, which led me to these experiences.