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Re: [ANN] One-Click Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.5-21 released

Berger, Daniel

8/30/2006 2:38:00 PM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curt Hibbs [mailto:ml.chibbs@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:19 PM
> To: ruby-talk ML
> Subject: Re: [ANN] One-Click Ruby Installer for Windows
> 1.8.5-21 released
>
>
> On 8/29/06, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:
> > >
> > Speaking of which, I just installed Visual C++ Express on the gizmo
> > that I get paid to sit in front of. :) So now I can
> experience first
> > had the thrills, chills and spills of Microsoft Development without
> > parting with any cash. I think I have MinGW and MSys too;
> something I
> > installed required them. And of course I also have CygWin
> and Plan C,
> > aka VMware Server. :)
> >
> > So I think I'll download One Click and see if I can build
> extensions,
> > etc. Are there some *known* not to work with VC++ Express?
>
> The compiler situation on windows is currently an
> incompatible mess. We're persuing possible solutions (Austin
> Ziegler is spearheading part of this with Microsoft). But
> currently the only gauranteed safe way to compile extensions
> is to use VC++ 6.
>
> Curt

What about doing something along the lines of Strawberry Perl, i.e.
bundle a compiler with the distro?

http://win32.perl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Straw...

Regards,

Dan

PS - Maybe now would be a good time to finish up that Win32API article
I've been working on. :)


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37 Answers

Alexandru Popescu

8/30/2006 3:24:00 PM

0

On 8/30/06, Berger, Daniel <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Curt Hibbs [mailto:ml.chibbs@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:19 PM
> > To: ruby-talk ML
> > Subject: Re: [ANN] One-Click Ruby Installer for Windows
> > 1.8.5-21 released
> >
> >
> > On 8/29/06, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > Speaking of which, I just installed Visual C++ Express on the gizmo
> > > that I get paid to sit in front of. :) So now I can
> > experience first
> > > had the thrills, chills and spills of Microsoft Development without
> > > parting with any cash. I think I have MinGW and MSys too;
> > something I
> > > installed required them. And of course I also have CygWin
> > and Plan C,
> > > aka VMware Server. :)
> > >
> > > So I think I'll download One Click and see if I can build
> > extensions,
> > > etc. Are there some *known* not to work with VC++ Express?
> >
> > The compiler situation on windows is currently an
> > incompatible mess. We're persuing possible solutions (Austin
> > Ziegler is spearheading part of this with Microsoft). But
> > currently the only gauranteed safe way to compile extensions
> > is to use VC++ 6.
> >
> > Curt
>
> What about doing something along the lines of Strawberry Perl, i.e.
> bundle a compiler with the distro?
>
> http://win32.perl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Straw...
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>

Do you think you are allowed to distribute MS compiler (and the other
tools needed)? (cause I don't think so).

/alex
--
w( the_mindstorm )p.



> PS - Maybe now would be a good time to finish up that Win32API article
> I've been working on. :)
>
>
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>

Curt Hibbs

8/30/2006 4:09:00 PM

0

On 8/30/06, Berger, Daniel <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:
>
> What about doing something along the lines of Strawberry Perl, i.e.
> bundle a compiler with the distro?
>
> http://win32.perl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Straw...
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan

That's a very interesting idea. It would really provide a standard
environment for building ruby extensions.

Curt

John Lam

8/30/2006 5:54:00 PM

0

I just sent out a mail to some friends at MSFT to see if this is even
remotely possible. VC 6 is a really old product, but I could imagine
the approvals that would be necessary to make something like this
happen.

I wouldn't hold my breath, but you never know ... :)

-John
http://www.iu...


On 8/30/06, Curt Hibbs <ml.chibbs@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/30/06, Berger, Daniel <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:
> >
> > What about doing something along the lines of Strawberry Perl, i.e.
> > bundle a compiler with the distro?
> >
> > http://win32.perl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Straw...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dan
>
> That's a very interesting idea. It would really provide a standard
> environment for building ruby extensions.
>
> Curt
>
>

Alexandru Popescu

8/30/2006 6:19:00 PM

0

On 8/30/06, John Lam <drjflam@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just sent out a mail to some friends at MSFT to see if this is even
> remotely possible. VC 6 is a really old product, but I could imagine
> the approvals that would be necessary to make something like this
> happen.
>
> I wouldn't hold my breath, but you never know ... :)
>

Hmmm... you are an optimistic person :-]. Is there a list of the
needed utilities that should be distributed? (I mean cl.exe, nmake,
etc).

/alex
--
:Architect of InfoQ.com:
.w( the_mindstorm )p.

> -John
> http://www.iu...
>
>
> On 8/30/06, Curt Hibbs <ml.chibbs@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 8/30/06, Berger, Daniel <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What about doing something along the lines of Strawberry Perl, i.e.
> > > bundle a compiler with the distro?
> > >
> > > http://win32.perl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Straw...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
> > That's a very interesting idea. It would really provide a standard
> > environment for building ruby extensions.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> >
>
>

John Lam

8/30/2006 6:31:00 PM

0

I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to come up with a list if we get the go-ahead.

This is something that various folks at MSFT have fought for over the
years - getting a compiler into the core Windows distribution. That's
*finally* going to happen with Vista since .NET FX 3.0 ships as an
install-by-default optional component (check box is on by default but
no dependencies on .NET FX 3.0 by the core OS). C# and VB.NET will be
there, but I don't know if VC++ will be there.

-John
http://www.iu...


On 8/30/06, Alexandru Popescu <the.mindstorm.mailinglist@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/30/06, John Lam <drjflam@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just sent out a mail to some friends at MSFT to see if this is even
> > remotely possible. VC 6 is a really old product, but I could imagine
> > the approvals that would be necessary to make something like this
> > happen.
> >
> > I wouldn't hold my breath, but you never know ... :)
> >
>
> Hmmm... you are an optimistic person :-]. Is there a list of the
> needed utilities that should be distributed? (I mean cl.exe, nmake,
> etc).
>
> ./alex
> --
> :Architect of InfoQ.com:
> .w( the_mindstorm )p.
>
> > -John
> > http://www.iu...
> >
> >
> > On 8/30/06, Curt Hibbs <ml.chibbs@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 8/30/06, Berger, Daniel <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What about doing something along the lines of Strawberry Perl, i.e.
> > > > bundle a compiler with the distro?
> > > >
> > > > http://win32.perl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Straw...
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > >
> > > That's a very interesting idea. It would really provide a standard
> > > environment for building ruby extensions.
> > >
> > > Curt
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Curt Hibbs

8/30/2006 8:49:00 PM

0

On 8/30/06, Alexandru Popescu <the.mindstorm.mailinglist@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/30/06, Berger, Daniel <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:
> >
> > What about doing something along the lines of Strawberry Perl, i.e.
> > bundle a compiler with the distro?
> >
> > http://win32.perl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Straw...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dan
> >
>
> Do you think you are allowed to distribute MS compiler (and the other
> tools needed)? (cause I don't think so).

No, you can't redistribute MS tools. This would only be a possibility
is we go the MinGW route.

Curt

Curt Hibbs

8/30/2006 8:50:00 PM

0

I wouldn't even have thought it to be possible, but it can't hurt to ask.

Curt

On 8/30/06, John Lam <drjflam@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just sent out a mail to some friends at MSFT to see if this is even
> remotely possible. VC 6 is a really old product, but I could imagine
> the approvals that would be necessary to make something like this
> happen.
>
> I wouldn't hold my breath, but you never know ... :)
>
> -John
> http://www.iu...
>
>
> On 8/30/06, Curt Hibbs <ml.chibbs@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 8/30/06, Berger, Daniel <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What about doing something along the lines of Strawberry Perl, i.e.
> > > bundle a compiler with the distro?
> > >
> > > http://win32.perl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Straw...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
> > That's a very interesting idea. It would really provide a standard
> > environment for building ruby extensions.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> >
>
>

Alexandru Popescu

8/30/2006 9:09:00 PM

0

On 8/30/06, Curt Hibbs <ml.chibbs@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/30/06, Alexandru Popescu <the.mindstorm.mailinglist@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 8/30/06, Berger, Daniel <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What about doing something along the lines of Strawberry Perl, i.e.
> > > bundle a compiler with the distro?
> > >
> > > http://win32.perl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Straw...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> >
> > Do you think you are allowed to distribute MS compiler (and the other
> > tools needed)? (cause I don't think so).
>
> No, you can't redistribute MS tools. This would only be a possibility
> is we go the MinGW route.
>
> Curt
>
>

I remember I've started a long discussion about this in the past, but
I don't know the conclusion of MinGW vs VC. Would it be possible and
how complex would be to currently move the One-Click installer from VC
to MinGW?

/alex
--
w( the_mindstorm )p.

Austin Ziegler

8/30/2006 9:22:00 PM

0

On 8/30/06, Alexandru Popescu <the.mindstorm.mailinglist@gmail.com> wrote:
> I remember I've started a long discussion about this in the past, but
> I don't know the conclusion of MinGW vs VC. Would it be possible and
> how complex would be to currently move the One-Click installer from VC
> to MinGW?

Do you want to have a 64-bit Ruby on Windows eventually?

If the answer is yes, MinGW is completely stalled on this matter. The
only answer there is VC8.

-austin
--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * http://www.halo...
* austin@halostatue.ca * http://www.halo...feed/
* austin@zieglers.ca

Alexandru Popescu

8/30/2006 9:43:00 PM

0

On 8/31/06, Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/30/06, Alexandru Popescu <the.mindstorm.mailinglist@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I remember I've started a long discussion about this in the past, but
> > I don't know the conclusion of MinGW vs VC. Would it be possible and
> > how complex would be to currently move the One-Click installer from VC
> > to MinGW?
>
> Do you want to have a 64-bit Ruby on Windows eventually?
>

I don't have such machine so for the moment my answer would be no. But
considering the spread of Ruby, this version would be quite normal to
exist at some point.

> If the answer is yes, MinGW is completely stalled on this matter. The
> only answer there is VC8.
>

Austin do you know if MinGW is at least planning to support this or is
it a dead-end?

/alex
--
w( the_mindstorm )p.

> -austin
> --
> Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * http://www.halo...
> * austin@halostatue.ca * http://www.halo...feed/
> * austin@zieglers.ca
>
>