On Jun 18, 5:21 pm, "mark cleary" <mclear...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "TD" wrote in message
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> On Jun 18, 1:50 pm, charlieguitar <robinsonch...@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > On Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:00:09 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
> > > On 2012-06-08 01:01:41 +0000, Pa
> > > Everyone has given you an abundance of ideas drawn from music theory so
> > > there is no need for more of that type of information.What hasn't been
> > > mentioned is simple vizualization.Play a diminished chord at a low point
> > > on the neck then play it's corresponding scale and arpeggio.Then move
> > > the chord up the neck a minor third and do the same thing again.Continue
> > > doing this until you have gone as high as you can go.Since the
> > > fingerings for the scales and arpeggios will be the same all of the way
> > > up you can achieve this goal rapidly.All that remains is to start trying
> > > to connect the various scale and arpeggio patterns up and down the
> > > neck.Once that is accomplished you should be able to find three tons of
> > > things to play off the chord being discussed. Later,
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> > Charlie
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> > > I'll be glad to give the first of many bad and wrong ideas likely to
> > > cripple any future growth.
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> > > > As far as diminished stuff goes,
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> > > What is "diminished stuff" to you.
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> > > > I understand all the theory and applications, I can play the
> > > > fingerings
> > > > and arpeggios, but when it comes to applying them in a solo I have
> > > > some
> > > > trouble. For some reason the notes are just hard to find, with the
> > > > scales looking so similar and you could think of them as whole half of
> > > > half whole (dominant)...
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> > > I assume that should read "whole half" OR "half whole", correct?
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> > > > When a diminished chord comes around I cant do much, save for playing
> > > > the arpeggio starting on the root, or playing a portion of the scale
> > > > also starting on the root.
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> > > If you don't like it when you do that--stop doing that. Begin with the
> > > b5 for a while. Sure you'll have hesitations at first, then the
> > > hesitations will go away as it becomes reflexive.
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> > > But "doing diminished stuff" seems here to be relating to the
> > > difficulty of finding and playing diminished scales and diminished arps
> > > over a diminished chord. Is that your difficulty? Are you trying to use
> > > these in relationship to dominant chords, or only in relationship to
> > > diminished chords?
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> > > Can you give examples of a couple of tunes, or locations within a tune,
> > > that might be an example of where you're encountering difficulties?
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> > > > Id like to get to the point where I can be able to visualize and play
> > > > all the notes, wherever I am on the neck over any diminished or
> > > > dominant chord, an be able to play any way starting on any note,
> > > > etc...
> > > > Any pointers here?
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> > > You might guess what my assertion would be: play them all over the neck
> > > via a disciplined and methodic regimen, after which you'll have a
> > > previous backlog of actual experience whenever you encounter a
> > > performance circumstance.
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> > > If your intent is to glue togther the material between a
> > > I-b2dim-II-b3dim-II kind of situation, then practice it (methodically)
> > > all over the neck and in many positions doing that kind of movement.
> > > Doing it in cycles ensure that you're doing it everywhere instead of
> > > where it's easiest. If it's relating more to playing diminished
> > > materials on secondary dominants like VI7 or II7, then practice it
> > > there.
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> > > > I also can't decide on how to practice and think about it, whether I
> > > > think only in terms of half whole, or both half and whole ...
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> > > It's the same thing as practicing by *always* starting on the b5th.
> > > After awhile that will seem to be predictable and you can move to the
> > > b3rd instead. The same is true of the diminished scale. Find a
> > > suitable "reflexive" place to put it, get comfortable with it there,
> > > then move to the next difficult location until it loses its difficulty.
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> > > One more thing: Don't concentrate on this to the exclusion of all other
> > > aspects of music, to show off, or as the only material in your solos.
> > > --
> > > If one plays good music, people don't listen and if one plays bad music
> > > people don't talk. -- Oscar Wilde
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> "What hasn't been mentioned is simple vizualization."
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> Seeing is believing, as it is said. Therefore, believing will only
> enkindle a trusting ear.
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> Tony,
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> Your really a theologian "I believe to understand, and understanding
> increases my belief".
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> I have two ears, ( Old Test. and the New Testament), one mind (
> monotheistic), 3 ways to play the fingerboard, vertical, horizontal, and
> diagonally, ( the Trinity), but when I play I have to have faith in what I
> doing is making music.
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> Does that work?
>
> Deacon Mark Cleary
> Epiphany Catholic Church
I suppose which ever door anyone wishes to enter ( can be via diverse
standards such as religion and war or even atheism, for a few
examples), the trick is to bind yourself to a fixed course of action,
yet never for a moment assume that there is but one way. Residual
benefits are inevitable. I can attest to that and I am not the only
one. So, yea man, there's where the faith comes into 'play.' Theory
is like a stop sign. Although, it is needed, it stays stationary. The
music moves.
-TD