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RubyConf in Second Life?

John Lam

8/9/2006 1:28:00 AM

Since RubyConf this year has sold out so rapidly, I was wondering if
there would be interest in setting up a mixed-reality event in Second
Life.

I think it would be really cool if we could be the first developer
conference to be simulcast in Second Life. It would also help with the
problem of folks who wanted to go but can't.

I spent some time hanging out with some Linden Lab folks at the
Lang.Net conference last week, and there's interest on Linden's part
in helping to set this up.

I don't really know my way around Second Life all that well, and I
know that there are some Ruby folk who are already hanging out there -
perhaps we could marshal our forces to make this happen?

Thoughts would be welcome,
-John
http://www.iu...
27 Answers

julian.kamil@gmail.com

8/9/2006 1:44:00 AM

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John Lam wrote:
> Since RubyConf this year has sold out so rapidly, I was wondering if
> there would be interest in setting up a mixed-reality event in Second
> Life.

That's a really interesting idea, count me in, and I will be willing to
help with it as needed.

> Thoughts would be welcome,
> -John
> http://www.iu...

Best regards,

Julian I. Kamil <julian.kamil@gmail.com>

Austin Ziegler

8/9/2006 3:43:00 AM

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On 8/8/06, John Lam <drjflam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since RubyConf this year has sold out so rapidly, I was wondering if
> there would be interest in setting up a mixed-reality event in Second
> Life.
>
> I think it would be really cool if we could be the first developer
> conference to be simulcast in Second Life. It would also help with the
> problem of folks who wanted to go but can't.

Sort of. I've heard about Second Life, but haven't really studied it.
According to Wikipedia, Second Life tops out on a "private island" at
100 simultaneous users in the server. That means that of the 240
attendees, only 100 could be there (if they wanted) -- and that
external people would have even more problems.

If Linden Lab is able to solve this so that we could have potentially
a *lot* of people observing from Second Life (and if it were possible,
for example, to have "live" video broadcast in that Second Life
region), then it might be really interesting.

But I'd try to chase it down at that point.

-austin
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John Lam

8/9/2006 3:53:00 AM

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Thanks for the pointer to that info, Austin! I'm checking with the
folks at Linden now on that limitation, and I'll get back to y'all
once I get the goods.

-John
http://www.iu...

> Sort of. I've heard about Second Life, but haven't really studied it.
> According to Wikipedia, Second Life tops out on a "private island" at
> 100 simultaneous users in the server. That means that of the 240
> attendees, only 100 could be there (if they wanted) -- and that
> external people would have even more problems.
>
> If Linden Lab is able to solve this so that we could have potentially
> a *lot* of people observing from Second Life (and if it were possible,
> for example, to have "live" video broadcast in that Second Life
> region), then it might be really interesting.
>
> But I'd try to chase it down at that point.
>
> -austin
> --
> Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * http://www.halo...
> * austin@halostatue.ca * http://www.halo...feed/
> * austin@zieglers.ca
>
>

James Britt

8/9/2006 4:05:00 AM

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John Lam wrote:
> Thanks for the pointer to that info, Austin! I'm checking with the
> folks at Linden now on that limitation, and I'll get back to y'all
> once I get the goods.

This sounds quite interesting. I've been meaning to poke into SL, but
I'm concerned that it may become a massive time sink for me.

Still, it offers lots of opportunity.



--
James Britt

"People want simple stories."

Hal E. Fulton

8/9/2006 6:54:00 AM

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Charles O Nutter wrote:
> There's actually already a SL rubyist community that meets every first and
> third thursday of the month. I attended this past thursday, and it was
> pretty cool.

Excuse my ignorance and uncoolness, but what is Second Life? Is it a
Sims-Online type of thing? Do I need an avatar? Where do I go? Duh?


Hal

James Britt

8/9/2006 7:01:00 AM

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Hal Fulton wrote:
> Charles O Nutter wrote:
>
>> There's actually already a SL rubyist community that meets every first
>> and
>> third thursday of the month. I attended this past thursday, and it was
>> pretty cool.
>
>
> Excuse my ignorance and uncoolness, but what is Second Life? Is it a
> Sims-Online type of thing? Do I need an avatar? Where do I go? Duh?


http://secondlife.c...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...




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James Britt

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of knowledge."
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John Lam

8/9/2006 3:30:00 PM

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That's really cool. I'll definitely drop by on the next meeting.

-John
http://www.iu...

On 8/9/06, Charles O Nutter <headius@headius.com> wrote:
> There's actually already a SL rubyist community that meets every first and
> third thursday of the month. I attended this past thursday, and it was
> pretty cool. I even made a JRuby shirt for it.
>
> http://www.jroller.com/page/obi...
>
> Feel free to stop by, we're interested in having more folks attend, and
> there's a nice big presentation screen and plenty of seating. There's even
> an in-world IRB extension to play with Ruby while you're there.

John Lam

8/9/2006 7:49:00 PM

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I've got a response from the Linden folks. Each region (16 acre chunk
of land) is managed by 1 CPU, and the limit of avatars per region is
on the order of 50-60 (I believe the server limit in Wikipedia is
based on their current 2CPU per server configuration).

However, you can place the conference at the *intersection* of 4
regions, which can increase capacity up to 200+ in SL. They can rent
us a region at the rate of 3k Lindens per day (which is about $10 USD
on today's currency). So that works out to a cost of 4 * 10 * 3 days
or $120 to host 200 attendees in SL. I have no problem getting my
company (ObjectSharp) to kick in the funding for the space rental.

We could setup a registration page to limit the attendees in SL to a
capped limit. But that nearly doubles attendence assuming that we can
keep the number of real-life attendees in the SL space to a reasonable
limit.

Since this is rental of space, everything there will be torn down at
the end of the conference. But I think that's OK for the initial run
of this thing. Perhaps we could also get RubyCentral to buy some land
in SL so that the Ruby community can have a permanent presence in SL?

Thoughts?
-John
http://www.iu...

> Sort of. I've heard about Second Life, but haven't really studied it.
> According to Wikipedia, Second Life tops out on a "private island" at
> 100 simultaneous users in the server. That means that of the 240
> attendees, only 100 could be there (if they wanted) -- and that
> external people would have even more problems.

John Lam

8/9/2006 8:28:00 PM

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Doh! That's much more straightforward :)

Charles, can you broker this with the Rubyists of Second Life folks?

Also, can someone try and ping David Black to see if he's cool with
all this? I've tried to reach him via one of his many email addresses
but haven't gotten a response yet ...

Thanks!
-John


On 8/9/06, Charles O Nutter <headius@headius.com> wrote:
> Well, wouldn't it just be better to ask the Rubyists of Second Life if we
> can use their space? They have a 4-parcel island already available for Ruby
> meetings and conferences with seating and facilities built and ready to go.
>
> BTW, there's also pricin for nonprofits on parcels of land; I believe the
> folks hosting RoSL paid only about $150/parcel, far cheaper than the $1250
> it normally costs.

James Britt

8/9/2006 8:56:00 PM

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John Lam wrote:
> Doh! That's much more straightforward :)
>
> Charles, can you broker this with the Rubyists of Second Life folks?

For Rubyists who have yet to enter SL, are there any tips or warnings to
know?



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