Asp Forum - wsdl2ruby and SOAP problems

emcconne

8/1/2006 4:01:00 PM

I am new to Ruby and am evaluating it for a project that would replace
and extend existing Perl code. I am using wsdl2ruby to generate a
client stub with associated classes for a web service. Most of the
basic calls more fine but the more complex method calls that take
parameter "anyType" do not work so well. It appears that the type is
not getting set in the SOAP message generated by ruby. However, the
perl code does allow me to set the type (manually by calling
SOAP::Data -> type using SOAP::Lite). Below is the relevant code and
generated messages:

-----RELEVANT WSDL SECTION----

<xsd:element name="Create">
<xsd:complexType>
<xsd:sequence>
<xsd:element maxOccurs="1" minOccurs="1" name="handle"
type="xsd:string" vma:auth="Configure"/>
<xsd:element maxOccurs="1" minOccurs="1" name="name"
type="xsd:string"/>
<xsd:element maxOccurs="1" minOccurs="1" name="type"
type="xsd:string"/>
<xsd:element maxOccurs="1" minOccurs="0" name="initial"
type="xsd:anyType"/>
</xsd:sequence>
</xsd:complexType>
</xsd:element

-----GENERATED CLASSES-----

# {urn:vma1}Create
class Create
@@schema_type = "Create"
@@schema_ns = "urn:vma1"
@@schema_qualified = "true"
@@schema_element = [["handle", "SOAP::SOAPString"], ["name",
"SOAP::SOAPString"], ["type", "SOAP::SOAPString"], ["initial",
"anyType"]]

attr_accessor :handle
attr_accessor :name
attr_accessor :type
attr_accessor :initial

def initialize(handle = nil, name = nil, type = nil, initial = nil)
@handle = handle
@name = name
@type = type
@initial = initial
end
end

----FROM DRIVER -----

class VmaPortType < ::SOAP::RPC::Driver
DefaultEndpointUrl = "http://xxx.xxx.xxx:8...
MappingRegistry = ::SOAP::Mapping::Registry.new

Methods = [
[ "",
"create",
[ ["in", "parameters", ["::SOAP::SOAPElement", "urn:vma1",
"Create"], true],
["out", "parameters", ["::SOAP::SOAPElement", "urn:vma1",
"CreateResponse"], true] ],
{ :request_style => :document, :request_use => :literal,
:response_style => :document, :response_use => :literal }
]
]
def initialize(endpoint_url = nil)
endpoint_url ||= DefaultEndpointUrl
super(endpoint_url, nil)
self.mapping_registry = MappingRegistry
init_methods
end

private

def init_methods
Methods.each do |definitions|
opt = definitions.last
if opt[:request_style] == :document
add_document_operation(*definitions)
else
add_rpc_operation(*definitions)
qname = definitions[0]
name = definitions[2]
if qname.name != name and qname.name.capitalize ==
name.capitalize
::SOAP::Mapping.define_singleton_method(self, qname.name) do
|*arg|
__send__(name, *arg)
end
end
end
end
end
end

-----FROM CLIENT-----

require 'vmaDriver.rb'
endpoint_url = ARGV.shift
$KCODE = 'UTF8'
obj = VmaPortType.new(endpoint_url)
obj.generate_explicit_type = true
# run ruby with -d to see SOAP widumps.
obj.wiredump_dev = STDERR

parameter=nil

vmlogin=Login.new("emcconne", "oh,bother")
puts obj.login(vmlogin)
vmcenter=ResolvePath.new("/vcenter/Testdrive_Farm")
vmdomain=obj.resolvePath(vmcenter).returnval

vmpath=ResolvePath.new("/host/192.168.0.2")
vmhost=obj.resolvePath(vmpath).returnval

vmcpuinfo=VirtualCPUInfo.new(2,"")
vmmeminfo=VirtualMemoryInfo.new(512,"")
vmhardware=VirtualHardware.new(vmcpuinfo,vmmeminfo,"","",[],[],[])
vmspec=VirtualMachineSpec.new(vmhost,"linux","",vmhardware)
vmcreate=Create.new(vmdomain,"rubyvm","VirtualMachine",vmspec)
puts obj.create(vmcreate)

----- GENERATED MESSAGE -----

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<env:Envelope xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSc...
xmlns:env="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envel...
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance...
<env:Body>
<Create xmlns="urn:vma1">
<handle>vma-domain-00000000001</handle>
<name>rubyvm</name>
<type>VirtualMachine</type>
<initial>
<host>vma-host-00000000002</host>
<guestOS>linux</guestOS>
<file></file>
<hardware>
<cpu>
<count>2</count>
<controls></controls>
</cpu>
<memory>
<sizeMb>512</sizeMb>
<controls></controls>
</memory>
<net></net>
<disk></disk>
</hardware>
</initial>
</Create>
</env:Body>
</env:Envelope>

-------WORKING PERL MESSAGE ------

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><soap:Envelope
xmlns:namesp1="http://namespaces.soaplite.com/...
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-inst...
xmlns:soapenc="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encod...
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSc...
soap:encodingStyle="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encod...
xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envel...>
<soap:Body>
<Create xmlns="urn:vma1">
<handle xsi:type="xsd:string">vma-domain-00000000001</handle>
<name xsi:type="xsd:string">perlvm</name>
<type xsi:type="xsd:string">VirtualMachine</type>
<initial xsi:type="namesp1:VirtualMachineSpec">
<host xsi:type="xsd:string">vma-host-00000000002</host>
<guestOS xsi:type="xsd:string">Linux</guestOS>
<hardware>
<cpu>
<count xsi:type="xsd:int">1</count>
</cpu>
<memory>
<sizeMb xsi:type="xsd:int">256</sizeMb>
</memory>
</hardware>
</initial>
</Create>
</soap:Body>
</soap:Envelope>

10 Answers

J.Pascal

1/30/2009 5:05:00 PM

On Jan 30, 9:59 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
> xenoc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On 30 Jan, 15:41, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
> >> This newsgroup is not nearly as helpful as it could be. Every member's
> >> writing sample I've seen needs massive work; this includes members
> >> who've been here for years.
>
> > Sadly, you really are the last person to judge. Well, you and Jim
> > Theiss. People who live in sugar-glass houses shouldn't even throw
> > gravel.
>
> >> This groups is a tremendous resource. It's a way of getting 20 other
> >> writers to go over your manuscript with a microscope. And don't give me
> >> that song and dance about writing groups that allow full critting. I've
> >> checked them out and they're all deeply flawed.
>
> >> So how about it?
>
> >> Let's get some real work done here!
>
> >> Okay...?
>
> >> EG
> >> --
> >> Riclanders Dot Comhttp://ricla...
>
> > You're not getting a freebie complete copyedit from me, "Ric"; your
> > work is riddled with typoes you can't be bothered to fix before
> > posting, you don't understand tenses, grammatical structures,
> > viewpoints, authenticity, theme, mode, characterisation, pacing, plot,
> > style, vocabulary, description, setting, or storytelling; and in any
> > case you're in denial over just about any improvements offered to you.
> > Oh, and your work doesn't even speak to the tastes of this newsgroup,
> > which is focused on SPECULATIVE fiction.
>
> > Go and purchase your vanity printing and have done with it, and from
> > now on, talk to the hand.
>
> "...your work is riddled with typoes ..."
> ---------------------------------------
>
> "Typos" is spelled "typos" -- not "typoes", you dolt.
>
> And I wasn't asking for a copyedit(sic) from you xenocyte, because that
> would be like challenging a guy with no hands or feet to a game of
> pick-up basketball.

A copyedit is exactly what you're asking for, since it is all that you
will accept.

If you accepted anything else we likely would not be having this
conversation at all. You asked for feedback and people gave you
their impressions which you announced were *all wrong*.

You can't lie to us, and it's probably better you don't lie to
yourself. You want a copy-edit. You'll accept pointed out typos
and say thank-you for pointing out congruity errors, but anything else
is off-limits. These are the things that copy-editors do.

Any comment on the story and you have a sh*t fit.

-Julie
(wv: uningesp)

elanders

1/30/2009 5:14:00 PM

julie@pascal.org wrote:
> On Jan 30, 9:59 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>> xenoc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On 30 Jan, 15:41, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>>> This newsgroup is not nearly as helpful as it could be. Every member's
>>>> writing sample I've seen needs massive work; this includes members
>>>> who've been here for years.
>>> Sadly, you really are the last person to judge. Well, you and Jim
>>> Theiss. People who live in sugar-glass houses shouldn't even throw
>>> gravel.
>>>> This groups is a tremendous resource. It's a way of getting 20 other
>>>> writers to go over your manuscript with a microscope. And don't give me
>>>> that song and dance about writing groups that allow full critting. I've
>>>> checked them out and they're all deeply flawed.
>>>> So how about it?
>>>> Let's get some real work done here!
>>>> Okay...?
>>>> EG
>>>> --
>>>> Riclanders Dot Comhttp://ricla...
>>> You're not getting a freebie complete copyedit from me, "Ric"; your
>>> work is riddled with typoes you can't be bothered to fix before
>>> posting, you don't understand tenses, grammatical structures,
>>> viewpoints, authenticity, theme, mode, characterisation, pacing, plot,
>>> style, vocabulary, description, setting, or storytelling; and in any
>>> case you're in denial over just about any improvements offered to you.
>>> Oh, and your work doesn't even speak to the tastes of this newsgroup,
>>> which is focused on SPECULATIVE fiction.
>>> Go and purchase your vanity printing and have done with it, and from
>>> now on, talk to the hand.
>> "...your work is riddled with typoes ..."
>> ---------------------------------------
>>
>> "Typos" is spelled "typos" -- not "typoes", you dolt.
>>
>> And I wasn't asking for a copyedit(sic) from you xenocyte, because that
>> would be like challenging a guy with no hands or feet to a game of
>> pick-up basketball.
>
> A copyedit is exactly what you're asking for, since it is all that you
> will accept.
>
> If you accepted anything else we likely would not be having this
> conversation at all. You asked for feedback and people gave you
> their impressions which you announced were *all wrong*.
>
> You can't lie to us, and it's probably better you don't lie to
> yourself. You want a copy-edit. You'll accept pointed out typos
> and say thank-you for pointing out congruity errors, but anything else
> is off-limits. These are the things that copy-editors do.
>
> Any comment on the story and you have a sh*t fit.
>
> -Julie
> (wv: uningesp)

Look, let's not you and I turn this into a tete-a-tete.

I've stated my position; you stated yours.

Let's let others have a chance at bat.

EG

--
Riclanders Dot Com
http://ricla...

J.Pascal

1/30/2009 5:56:00 PM

On Jan 30, 10:14 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
> ju...@pascal.org wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 9:59 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
> >> xenoc...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On 30 Jan, 15:41, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
> >>>> This newsgroup is not nearly as helpful as it could be. Every member's
> >>>> writing sample I've seen needs massive work; this includes members
> >>>> who've been here for years.
> >>> Sadly, you really are the last person to judge. Well, you and Jim
> >>> Theiss. People who live in sugar-glass houses shouldn't even throw
> >>> gravel.
> >>>> This groups is a tremendous resource. It's a way of getting 20 other
> >>>> writers to go over your manuscript with a microscope. And don't give me
> >>>> that song and dance about writing groups that allow full critting. I've
> >>>> checked them out and they're all deeply flawed.
> >>>> So how about it?
> >>>> Let's get some real work done here!
> >>>> Okay...?
> >>>> EG
> >>>> --
> >>>> Riclanders Dot Comhttp://ricla...
> >>> You're not getting a freebie complete copyedit from me, "Ric"; your
> >>> work is riddled with typoes you can't be bothered to fix before
> >>> posting, you don't understand tenses, grammatical structures,
> >>> viewpoints, authenticity, theme, mode, characterisation, pacing, plot,
> >>> style, vocabulary, description, setting, or storytelling; and in any
> >>> case you're in denial over just about any improvements offered to you.
> >>> Oh, and your work doesn't even speak to the tastes of this newsgroup,
> >>> which is focused on SPECULATIVE fiction.
> >>> Go and purchase your vanity printing and have done with it, and from
> >>> now on, talk to the hand.
> >> "...your work is riddled with typoes ..."
> >> ---------------------------------------
>
> >> "Typos" is spelled "typos" -- not "typoes", you dolt.
>
> >> And I wasn't asking for a copyedit(sic) from you xenocyte, because that
> >> would be like challenging a guy with no hands or feet to a game of
> >> pick-up basketball.
>
> > A copyedit is exactly what you're asking for, since it is all that you
> > will accept.
>
> > If you accepted anything else we likely would not be having this
> > conversation at all. You asked for feedback and people gave you
> > their impressions which you announced were *all wrong*.
>
> > You can't lie to us, and it's probably better you don't lie to
> > yourself. You want a copy-edit. You'll accept pointed out typos
> > and say thank-you for pointing out congruity errors, but anything else
> > is off-limits. These are the things that copy-editors do.
>
> > Any comment on the story and you have a sh*t fit.
>
> > -Julie
> > (wv: uningesp)
>
> Look, let's not you and I turn this into a tete-a-tete.
>
> I've stated my position; you stated yours.
>
> Let's let others have a chance at bat.

The others are smarter than I am and are ignoring you.

The problem, from your standpoint, is that I'm right. You want a
copy-edit. You won't accept any criticism about story. None.

You expect to deliver critiques that are nothing more than
generalities about the "rules" of good novel writing and be praised
for saying something worth-while. All while delivering "dramatic"
portions of your own prose that fails at the sentence level. Which I
find confusing because one of the most well known (and annoying)
"rules" out there is to write in an active voice... avoid "was ...ing"
or other passive construction.

-Julie

mbottorff

1/30/2009 6:20:00 PM

elanders <elanders@zoomtown.com> wrote:

> Let's let others have a chance at bat.
>
> EG

Most of the others can't hear you anymore.

You are aware of what a "kill-file" is, and the meaning of the statement
"plonk", right?

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elanders

1/30/2009 6:45:00 PM

julie@pascal.org wrote:
> On Jan 30, 10:14 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>> ju...@pascal.org wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 9:59 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>>> xenoc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On 30 Jan, 15:41, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>>>>> This newsgroup is not nearly as helpful as it could be. Every member's
>>>>>> writing sample I've seen needs massive work; this includes members
>>>>>> who've been here for years.
>>>>> Sadly, you really are the last person to judge. Well, you and Jim
>>>>> Theiss. People who live in sugar-glass houses shouldn't even throw
>>>>> gravel.
>>>>>> This groups is a tremendous resource. It's a way of getting 20 other
>>>>>> writers to go over your manuscript with a microscope. And don't give me
>>>>>> that song and dance about writing groups that allow full critting. I've
>>>>>> checked them out and they're all deeply flawed.
>>>>>> So how about it?
>>>>>> Let's get some real work done here!
>>>>>> Okay...?
>>>>>> EG
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Riclanders Dot Comhttp://ricla...
>>>>> You're not getting a freebie complete copyedit from me, "Ric"; your
>>>>> work is riddled with typoes you can't be bothered to fix before
>>>>> posting, you don't understand tenses, grammatical structures,
>>>>> viewpoints, authenticity, theme, mode, characterisation, pacing, plot,
>>>>> style, vocabulary, description, setting, or storytelling; and in any
>>>>> case you're in denial over just about any improvements offered to you.
>>>>> Oh, and your work doesn't even speak to the tastes of this newsgroup,
>>>>> which is focused on SPECULATIVE fiction.
>>>>> Go and purchase your vanity printing and have done with it, and from
>>>>> now on, talk to the hand.
>>>> "...your work is riddled with typoes ..."
>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>> "Typos" is spelled "typos" -- not "typoes", you dolt.
>>>> And I wasn't asking for a copyedit(sic) from you xenocyte, because that
>>>> would be like challenging a guy with no hands or feet to a game of
>>>> pick-up basketball.
>>> A copyedit is exactly what you're asking for, since it is all that you
>>> will accept.
>>> If you accepted anything else we likely would not be having this
>>> conversation at all. You asked for feedback and people gave you
>>> their impressions which you announced were *all wrong*.
>>> You can't lie to us, and it's probably better you don't lie to
>>> yourself. You want a copy-edit. You'll accept pointed out typos
>>> and say thank-you for pointing out congruity errors, but anything else
>>> is off-limits. These are the things that copy-editors do.
>>> Any comment on the story and you have a sh*t fit.
>>> -Julie
>>> (wv: uningesp)
>> Look, let's not you and I turn this into a tete-a-tete.
>>
>> I've stated my position; you stated yours.
>>
>> Let's let others have a chance at bat.
>
> The others are smarter than I am and are ignoring you.
>
> The problem, from your standpoint, is that I'm right. You want a
> copy-edit. You won't accept any criticism about story. None.
>
> You expect to deliver critiques that are nothing more than
> generalities about the "rules" of good novel writing and be praised
> for saying something worth-while. All while delivering "dramatic"
> portions of your own prose that fails at the sentence level. Which I
> find confusing because one of the most well known (and annoying)
> "rules" out there is to write in an active voice... avoid "was ...ing"
> or other passive construction.
>
> -Julie

It doesn't fail at the sentence level. You're just repeating glib lines
to make a point that has no basis in fact.

The latest chapter I posted is "Bedding the Bride." Neither you nor
anyone else in this ng can write at that level.

By the way, why don't you post some of your prose?

EG

--
Riclanders Dot Com
http://ricla...

J.Pascal

1/30/2009 7:00:00 PM

On Jan 30, 11:44 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
> ju...@pascal.org wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 10:14 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
> >> ju...@pascal.org wrote:
> >>> On Jan 30, 9:59 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
> >>>> xenoc...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On 30 Jan, 15:41, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> This newsgroup is not nearly as helpful as it could be. Every member's
> >>>>>> writing sample I've seen needs massive work; this includes members
> >>>>>> who've been here for years.
> >>>>> Sadly, you really are the last person to judge. Well, you and Jim
> >>>>> Theiss. People who live in sugar-glass houses shouldn't even throw
> >>>>> gravel.
> >>>>>> This groups is a tremendous resource. It's a way of getting 20 other
> >>>>>> writers to go over your manuscript with a microscope. And don't give me
> >>>>>> that song and dance about writing groups that allow full critting. I've
> >>>>>> checked them out and they're all deeply flawed.
> >>>>>> So how about it?
> >>>>>> Let's get some real work done here!
> >>>>>> Okay...?
> >>>>>> EG
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Riclanders Dot Comhttp://ricla...
> >>>>> You're not getting a freebie complete copyedit from me, "Ric"; your
> >>>>> work is riddled with typoes you can't be bothered to fix before
> >>>>> posting, you don't understand tenses, grammatical structures,
> >>>>> viewpoints, authenticity, theme, mode, characterisation, pacing, plot,
> >>>>> style, vocabulary, description, setting, or storytelling; and in any
> >>>>> case you're in denial over just about any improvements offered to you.
> >>>>> Oh, and your work doesn't even speak to the tastes of this newsgroup,
> >>>>> which is focused on SPECULATIVE fiction.
> >>>>> Go and purchase your vanity printing and have done with it, and from
> >>>>> now on, talk to the hand.
> >>>> "...your work is riddled with typoes ..."
> >>>> ---------------------------------------
> >>>> "Typos" is spelled "typos" -- not "typoes", you dolt.
> >>>> And I wasn't asking for a copyedit(sic) from you xenocyte, because that
> >>>> would be like challenging a guy with no hands or feet to a game of
> >>>> pick-up basketball.
> >>> A copyedit is exactly what you're asking for, since it is all that you
> >>> will accept.
> >>> If you accepted anything else we likely would not be having this
> >>> conversation at all. You asked for feedback and people gave you
> >>> their impressions which you announced were *all wrong*.
> >>> You can't lie to us, and it's probably better you don't lie to
> >>> yourself. You want a copy-edit. You'll accept pointed out typos
> >>> and say thank-you for pointing out congruity errors, but anything else
> >>> is off-limits. These are the things that copy-editors do.
> >>> Any comment on the story and you have a sh*t fit.
> >>> -Julie
> >>> (wv: uningesp)
> >> Look, let's not you and I turn this into a tete-a-tete.
>
> >> I've stated my position; you stated yours.
>
> >> Let's let others have a chance at bat.
>
> > The others are smarter than I am and are ignoring you.
>
> > The problem, from your standpoint, is that I'm right. You want a
> > copy-edit. You won't accept any criticism about story. None.
>
> > You expect to deliver critiques that are nothing more than
> > generalities about the "rules" of good novel writing and be praised
> > for saying something worth-while. All while delivering "dramatic"
> > portions of your own prose that fails at the sentence level. Which I
> > find confusing because one of the most well known (and annoying)
> > "rules" out there is to write in an active voice... avoid "was ...ing"
> > or other passive construction.
>
> > -Julie
>
> It doesn't fail at the sentence level. You're just repeating glib lines
> to make a point that has no basis in fact.
>
> The latest chapter I posted is "Bedding the Bride." Neither you nor
> anyone else in this ng can write at that level.

Thank god.

> By the way, why don't you post some of your prose?

I have.

-Julie

David Friedman

1/30/2009 7:18:00 PM

In article
<ea647976-110b-48c6-9485-d4bb94973f63@w1g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
julie@pascal.org wrote:

> Any comment on the story and you have a sh*t fit.

I think I may have figured out part of the reason.

My suspicion is that _The Black Queen_ is a Mary Sue, or whatever the
male equivalent is. Gannibal is the author's idealization of himself. So
any suggestion that the prose is less than perfect is an attack on
Gannibal. That also explains why the author takes a historical character
who is already extraordinary and makes him unbelievably so--not merely
fighting in a critical battle at twelve, which may well be true, and
becoming a skilled military engineer, also apparently true, but being a
skilled military engineer at the age of twelve and so winning the battle
for his side.

Also, I've figured out the climactic scene of the book--whether the
author has as well I don't know, but it's possible. Gannibal is rushed
to London. The King meets him. The King concludes that, whatever color
his skin may be, he's just the breeding stock that the royal line needs
to undo the damage of all those inbred German princes, and approves the
marriage of the Prince to Gannibal's daughter (or possibly
granddaughter).

--
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Author of
_Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_,
Cambridge University Press.

David Friedman

1/30/2009 7:19:00 PM

In article <2593f$49833574$4ad7fee9$26130@FUSE.NET>,
elanders <elanders@zoomtown.com> wrote:

> Let's let others have a chance at bat.
>

Julie is correct.

--
http://www.daviddfri... http://daviddfriedman.blo...
Author of
_Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_,
Cambridge University Press.

J.J. O'Shea

1/30/2009 8:12:00 PM

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:59:38 -0500, julie@pascal.org wrote
(in article
<c4dfad57-92a6-430b-8834-981a15a7d2aa@g3g2000pre.googlegroups.com>):

> On Jan 30, 11:44 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>> ju...@pascal.org wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 10:14 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>>> ju...@pascal.org wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 30, 9:59 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>>>>> xenoc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30 Jan, 15:41, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This newsgroup is not nearly as helpful as it could be. Every member's
>>>>>>>> writing sample I've seen needs massive work; this includes members
>>>>>>>> who've been here for years.
>>>>>>> Sadly, you really are the last person to judge. Well, you and Jim
>>>>>>> Theiss. People who live in sugar-glass houses shouldn't even throw
>>>>>>> gravel.
>>>>>>>> This groups is a tremendous resource. It's a way of getting 20 other
>>>>>>>> writers to go over your manuscript with a microscope. And don't give
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> that song and dance about writing groups that allow full critting.
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>> checked them out and they're all deeply flawed.
>>>>>>>> So how about it?
>>>>>>>> Let's get some real work done here!
>>>>>>>> Okay...?
>>>>>>>> EG
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Riclanders Dot Comhttp://ricla...
>>>>>>> You're not getting a freebie complete copyedit from me, "Ric"; your
>>>>>>> work is riddled with typoes you can't be bothered to fix before
>>>>>>> posting, you don't understand tenses, grammatical structures,
>>>>>>> viewpoints, authenticity, theme, mode, characterisation, pacing, plot,
>>>>>>> style, vocabulary, description, setting, or storytelling; and in any
>>>>>>> case you're in denial over just about any improvements offered to you.
>>>>>>> Oh, and your work doesn't even speak to the tastes of this newsgroup,
>>>>>>> which is focused on SPECULATIVE fiction.
>>>>>>> Go and purchase your vanity printing and have done with it, and from
>>>>>>> now on, talk to the hand.
>>>>>> "...your work is riddled with typoes ..."
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>>> "Typos" is spelled "typos" -- not "typoes", you dolt.
>>>>>> And I wasn't asking for a copyedit(sic) from you xenocyte, because that
>>>>>> would be like challenging a guy with no hands or feet to a game of
>>>>>> pick-up basketball.
>>>>> A copyedit is exactly what you're asking for, since it is all that you
>>>>> will accept.
>>>>> If you accepted anything else we likely would not be having this
>>>>> conversation at all. You asked for feedback and people gave you
>>>>> their impressions which you announced were *all wrong*.
>>>>> You can't lie to us, and it's probably better you don't lie to
>>>>> yourself. You want a copy-edit. You'll accept pointed out typos
>>>>> and say thank-you for pointing out congruity errors, but anything else
>>>>> is off-limits. These are the things that copy-editors do.
>>>>> Any comment on the story and you have a sh*t fit.
>>>>> -Julie
>>>>> (wv: uningesp)
>>>> Look, let's not you and I turn this into a tete-a-tete.
>>
>>>> I've stated my position; you stated yours.
>>
>>>> Let's let others have a chance at bat.
>>
>>> The others are smarter than I am and are ignoring you.
>>
>>> The problem, from your standpoint, is that I'm right. You want a
>>> copy-edit. You won't accept any criticism about story. None.
>>
>>> You expect to deliver critiques that are nothing more than
>>> generalities about the "rules" of good novel writing and be praised
>>> for saying something worth-while. All while delivering "dramatic"
>>> portions of your own prose that fails at the sentence level. Which I
>>> find confusing because one of the most well known (and annoying)
>>> "rules" out there is to write in an active voice... avoid "was ...ing"
>>> or other passive construction.
>>
>>> -Julie
>>
>> It doesn't fail at the sentence level. You're just repeating glib lines
>> to make a point that has no basis in fact.
>>
>> The latest chapter I posted is "Bedding the Bride." Neither you nor
>> anyone else in this ng can write at that level.
>
> Thank god.

You mean that he actually posted something _worse_ than his battlefield
epic?! Be still my beating heart.

>
>> By the way, why don't you post some of your prose?
>
> I have.

Quite so.

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1/30/2009 10:44:00 PM

J.J. O'Shea wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:59:38 -0500, julie@pascal.org wrote
> (in article
> <c4dfad57-92a6-430b-8834-981a15a7d2aa@g3g2000pre.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Jan 30, 11:44 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>> ju...@pascal.org wrote:
>>>> On Jan 30, 10:14 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>>>> ju...@pascal.org wrote:
>>>>>> On Jan 30, 9:59 am, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> xenoc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 30 Jan, 15:41, elanders <eland...@zoomtown.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This newsgroup is not nearly as helpful as it could be. Every member's
>>>>>>>>> writing sample I've seen needs massive work; this includes members
>>>>>>>>> who've been here for years.
>>>>>>>> Sadly, you really are the last person to judge. Well, you and Jim
>>>>>>>> Theiss. People who live in sugar-glass houses shouldn't even throw
>>>>>>>> gravel.
>>>>>>>>> This groups is a tremendous resource. It's a way of getting 20 other
>>>>>>>>> writers to go over your manuscript with a microscope. And don't give
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> that song and dance about writing groups that allow full critting.
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> checked them out and they're all deeply flawed.
>>>>>>>>> So how about it?
>>>>>>>>> Let's get some real work done here!
>>>>>>>>> Okay...?
>>>>>>>>> EG
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Riclanders Dot Comhttp://ricla...
>>>>>>>> You're not getting a freebie complete copyedit from me, "Ric"; your
>>>>>>>> work is riddled with typoes you can't be bothered to fix before
>>>>>>>> posting, you don't understand tenses, grammatical structures,
>>>>>>>> viewpoints, authenticity, theme, mode, characterisation, pacing, plot,
>>>>>>>> style, vocabulary, description, setting, or storytelling; and in any
>>>>>>>> case you're in denial over just about any improvements offered to you.
>>>>>>>> Oh, and your work doesn't even speak to the tastes of this newsgroup,
>>>>>>>> which is focused on SPECULATIVE fiction.
>>>>>>>> Go and purchase your vanity printing and have done with it, and from
>>>>>>>> now on, talk to the hand.
>>>>>>> "...your work is riddled with typoes ..."
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>>>> "Typos" is spelled "typos" -- not "typoes", you dolt.
>>>>>>> And I wasn't asking for a copyedit(sic) from you xenocyte, because that
>>>>>>> would be like challenging a guy with no hands or feet to a game of
>>>>>>> pick-up basketball.
>>>>>> A copyedit is exactly what you're asking for, since it is all that you
>>>>>> will accept.
>>>>>> If you accepted anything else we likely would not be having this
>>>>>> conversation at all. You asked for feedback and people gave you
>>>>>> their impressions which you announced were *all wrong*.
>>>>>> You can't lie to us, and it's probably better you don't lie to
>>>>>> yourself. You want a copy-edit. You'll accept pointed out typos
>>>>>> and say thank-you for pointing out congruity errors, but anything else
>>>>>> is off-limits. These are the things that copy-editors do.
>>>>>> Any comment on the story and you have a sh*t fit.
>>>>>> -Julie
>>>>>> (wv: uningesp)
>>>>> Look, let's not you and I turn this into a tete-a-tete.
>>>>> I've stated my position; you stated yours.
>>>>> Let's let others have a chance at bat.
>>>> The others are smarter than I am and are ignoring you.
>>>> The problem, from your standpoint, is that I'm right. You want a
>>>> copy-edit. You won't accept any criticism about story. None.
>>>> You expect to deliver critiques that are nothing more than
>>>> generalities about the "rules" of good novel writing and be praised
>>>> for saying something worth-while. All while delivering "dramatic"
>>>> portions of your own prose that fails at the sentence level. Which I
>>>> find confusing because one of the most well known (and annoying)
>>>> "rules" out there is to write in an active voice... avoid "was ...ing"
>>>> or other passive construction.
>>>> -Julie
>>> It doesn't fail at the sentence level. You're just repeating glib lines
>>> to make a point that has no basis in fact.
>>>
>>> The latest chapter I posted is "Bedding the Bride." Neither you nor
>>> anyone else in this ng can write at that level.
>> Thank god.
>
> You mean that he actually posted something _worse_ than his battlefield
> epic?! Be still my beating heart.

And in a moment JJ is going to reply to something I write with "Hoisted
by his own petards!"

He's just itching to do that.

He has a filing cabinet in his SRO where he keeps all of his choice
one-liners. It's a trick Henny Youngman taught him when they were in
high school.

That's right, JJ, your Oscar Wilde imitation is so old even the gays in
the newsgroup are embarrassed for you.

You remind them of the guy in the movie theater with the Bounty Towels
and raincoat.

EG

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