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Question regarding postings in comp.lang.ruby

Michael W. Ryder

7/31/2006 2:45:00 AM

Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the
original posting?
21 Answers

James Gray

7/31/2006 2:41:00 PM

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On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:

> Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the
> original posting?

This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list
and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into
this?

James Edward Gray II

gabriele renzi

7/31/2006 5:32:00 PM

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James Edward Gray II ha scritto:
> On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
>
>> Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the
>> original posting?
>
>
> This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and
> newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?
>
> James Edward Gray II


I just noticed this too, for example I can read ruby-talk:204879 (
message-id: <aedd94e4dbd9e842aa0047cbf8c85fac@ruby-forum.com> )
but not the message it was replying to (In-reply-to:
<44C6CEB6.6020108@netpromi.com>).

I'm on the nntp side of the gw.

Michael W. Ryder

7/31/2006 7:20:00 PM

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James Edward Gray II wrote:
> On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
>
>> Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the
>> original posting?
>
> This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and
> newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?
>
> James Edward Gray II
>
>
>
If you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears the
replies by Robert Dober are Not being posted but you can see the quoted
material in subsequent replies by others.

Michael W. Ryder

7/31/2006 8:18:00 PM

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Michael W. Ryder wrote:
> James Edward Gray II wrote:
>> On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
>>
>>> Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the
>>> original posting?
>>
>> This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list
>> and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into
>> this?
>>
>> James Edward Gray II
>>
>>
>>
> If you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears the
> replies by Robert Dober are Not being posted but you can see the quoted
> material in subsequent replies by others.


Part of the reason I asked this question is that I see posts that I
assume are replying to other posts that do not include any quoted
material which really makes it hard to follow.

James Gray

7/31/2006 8:38:00 PM

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On Jul 31, 2006, at 12:35 PM, gabriele renzi wrote:

> James Edward Gray II ha scritto:
>> On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
>>> Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not
>>> the original posting?
>> This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing
>> list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can
>> look into this?
>> James Edward Gray II
>
>
> I just noticed this too, for example I can read ruby-talk:204879 (
> message-id: <aedd94e4dbd9e842aa0047cbf8c85fac@ruby-forum.com> )
> but not the message it was replying to (In-reply-to:
> <44C6CEB6.6020108@netpromi.com>).

OK, just so I'm clear, you do see this message:

http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-t...

but you do not see this one:

http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-t...

> I'm on the nntp side of the gw.

I'm on the mailing list and as you can see from the links above it
did seem to receive both. Let me check the newsgroup...

Hmmm, Google Groups does show both messages:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/025907...

and:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edc...

Am I missing something here?

James Edward Gray II

James Gray

7/31/2006 8:47:00 PM

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On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:

> James Edward Gray II wrote:
>> On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
>>> Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the
>>> original posting?
>> This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing
>> list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can
>> look into this?
>> James Edward Gray II
> If you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears the
> replies by Robert Dober are Not being posted but you can see the
> quoted material in subsequent replies by others.

You're telling me that you are missing these two messages, right?

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edc...

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edc...

Hmm, yes. I can't find either of those on Google Groups. You use
the newsgroup, not the mailing list, right?

Let me look into these two messages and see what I can learn...

James Edward Gray II

James Gray

7/31/2006 8:57:00 PM

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On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:46 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

> On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
>
>> James Edward Gray II wrote:
>>> On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
>>>> Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not
>>>> the original posting?
>>> This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing
>>> list and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can
>>> look into this?
>>> James Edward Gray II
>> If you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears
>> the replies by Robert Dober are Not being posted but you can see
>> the quoted material in subsequent replies by others.
>
> You're telling me that you are missing these two messages, right?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edc...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edc...

I screwed up those links. I meant:

http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-t...

http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-t...

Sorry for the confusion.

James Edward Gray II

James Gray

7/31/2006 9:50:00 PM

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On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:46 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

> Let me look into these two messages and see what I can learn...

I looked into this but lacked the log information I needed to track
down what really happened with these. I've added more logging to the
gateway that I hope would help me zero in on the problem, should it
happen again.

Please keep an eye out for these mysterious missing messages in the
future and sick me on them when they occur. I will then look into
those messages, cross check the logs, and see if I can eliminate
whatever issue is eating messages.

Thank you.

James Edward Gray II

Michael W. Ryder

7/31/2006 10:31:00 PM

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James Edward Gray II wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:46 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:
>
>> Let me look into these two messages and see what I can learn...
>
> I looked into this but lacked the log information I needed to track down
> what really happened with these. I've added more logging to the gateway
> that I hope would help me zero in on the problem, should it happen again.
>
> Please keep an eye out for these mysterious missing messages in the
> future and sick me on them when they occur. I will then look into those
> messages, cross check the logs, and see if I can eliminate whatever
> issue is eating messages.
>
> Thank you.
>
> James Edward Gray II
>
>
It seems to be a problem with the postings with certain users. If one
message is missing from a poster they all are.

F. Senault

7/31/2006 11:29:00 PM

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Le 31 juillet 2006 à 22:56, James Edward Gray II a écrit :

> I screwed up those links. I meant:
>
> http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-t...
>
> http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-t...

------=_Part_81117_24403003.1153300936075
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline

And

------=_Part_82136_1234888.1153309282756
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline

HTML posts, probably.

Bingo :

Jul 19 11:22:46 talisker nnrpd[24018]: bristol.highgroove.com post failed 437 HTML post
Jul 19 13:41:53 talisker nnrpd[39409]: bristol.highgroove.com post failed 437 HTML post

(Based on the posting date - I'm in GMT+2 right now.)

Now, I could disable the filter, but the posts might not go far on
usenet anyway, I'm afraid.

Fred
--
If there were no desire to heal
The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen here
I certainly would've walked away by now. (Tool, The Patient)