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Some questions about serious Ruby development...

Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality

7/11/2006 9:53:00 AM

I like Ruby. I like it more than Python. It's my PERL replacement. I
used to use PERL for automated file management but I have switched to Ruby
because it is awesome and PERL blows. To be fair, I thought PERL was
awesome at the time but it's old news, now...

So, here I come, Ruby!

I'm starting to think that I can use Ruby for some serious software
development. I think a hardcore application can be written in a careful
combination of Ruby and C++ (and some other stuff, too!). So, I did a bit
of looking around which has only caused me to develop some questions...

Can anyone recommend a good IDE? Ah, the tired IDE question... I did a
search on groups.google on this subject and, yes, it is a common question.
However, every instance of it seems to have the same theme. Vi(m) is the
greatest text editor out there (I found Emacs too hard to learn). Syntax
highlighting is highly overrated and auto-completion is useless. What I
need from an IDE is a debugger! Even if it were as simple as the ability to
place breakpoints, step into and over lines of code, display evaluation
results (like what IRB does), and list variables in scope. It would also be
nice if it would let me evaluate methods of variables in scope, so I can try
to get the state of various objects. Seriously, I'm tired of printf
debugging (not that anyone uses printf in Ruby)...

Can anyone recommend a good... I don't know the proper term for this
but... a GUI toolkit? A widget toolkit? Something that allows me to create
and manage windows and widgets to put in those windows. I'll need the
ability to create new (custom) widgets and it would be nice if it were cross
platform...

Well, those are my questions, for now. I'll certainly be back if I have
any more and I will, of course, continue to lurk here as well as answer the
few questions I think I can answer competently! I'm really excited about
doing some serious Ruby development and I look forward to whatever
suggestions I get!
Thank you for your help...


10 Answers

Huw Collingbourne

7/11/2006 10:37:00 AM

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> What I need from an IDE is a debugger! Even if it were as simple as the
> ability to place breakpoints, step into and over lines of code, display
> evaluation results (like what IRB does), and list variables in scope.

You don't say if you have Visual Studio. If so, you can try out our Ruby In
Steel IDE. This has breakpoints, watch variables, locals, autos, step
into/over, run to, evaluate in a command window, syntax error location plus
code colouring/collapsing, Rails development tools etc. Not yet IntelliSense
but we are working on that at the moment...

Download the latest here: http://www.sapphir...

best wishes
Huw Collingbourne


Mat Schaffer

7/11/2006 12:32:00 PM

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On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:55 AM, Just Another Victim of the Ambient
Morality wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good IDE? Ah, the tired IDE
> question... I did a
> search on groups.google on this subject and, yes, it is a common
> question.
> However, every instance of it seems to have the same theme. Vi(m)
> is the
> greatest text editor out there (I found Emacs too hard to learn).
> Syntax
> highlighting is highly overrated and auto-completion is useless.
> What I
> need from an IDE is a debugger! Even if it were as simple as the
> ability to
> place breakpoints, step into and over lines of code, display
> evaluation
> results (like what IRB does), and list variables in scope. It
> would also be
> nice if it would let me evaluate methods of variables in scope, so
> I can try
> to get the state of various objects. Seriously, I'm tired of printf
> debugging (not that anyone uses printf in Ruby)...

Just to take things in a whole different direction, are you using
test driven development? I've found that TDD has eliminated a lot of
my need for debugging. It's a little like that printf debugging
except that the printf's become asserts and you don't have to throw
them away. They stay useful.

That being said, Eclipse's RDT is supposed to handle debugging, but I
haven't had much luck with it so far.
-Mat

Patrick Hurley

7/11/2006 12:41:00 PM

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On 7/11/06, Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality
<ihatespam@rogers.com> wrote:
> Syntax highlighting is highly overrated and auto-completion is useless.

> What I need from an IDE is a debugger! Even if it were as simple as the ability to
> place breakpoints, step into and over lines of code, display evaluation
> results (like what IRB does), and list variables in scope. It would also be
> nice if it would let me evaluate methods of variables in scope, so I can try
> to get the state of various objects. Seriously, I'm tired of printf
> debugging (not that anyone uses printf in Ruby)...

Two suggestions, check out the breakpoint gem -- it is pretty much
what you say you want from a debugger. If what you really want is a
full IDE with a good integrated debugger, then you should check out
ArachnoEdit (ruby-ide.com). It is a commercial product, still in beta
that seems to get developed in a series of sprints. It has a custom
version of Ruby with a C extension for much faster debugging/stepping.

> Can anyone recommend a good... I don't know the proper term for this
> but... a GUI toolkit?

Check the archive, we _just_ had this discussion: FXRuby, QtRuby,
wxRuby seem to be the primary choices.

pth

Friedrich

7/11/2006 1:13:00 PM

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"Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality" <ihatespam@rogers.com> writes:

> What I
> need from an IDE is a debugger!
ArachnoRuby dot.

Have a nice day
Friedrich


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John

7/11/2006 3:46:00 PM

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Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality wrote:

> display evaluation results (like what IRB does)

I use the following method to do that:

<ruby>

def describe code
# takes a string to be eval'ed and prints it along with showing the
return value
sep = ' => '
begin
result = eval(code)
puts code + sep + result.inspect
return result
rescue Exception => e
puts code + sep + e.to_s
return nil
end
end

</ruby>

I then can issue the following to get a nice printout, and also get the
returned value of the statement. Example:

<ruby> my_array = describe "Range.new(1, 5).to_a" </ruby>

Would output "Range.new(1, 5).to_a => [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]" and also assign
my_array properly.

Daniel Schierbeck

7/11/2006 5:04:00 PM

0

John wrote:
> def describe code
> # takes a string to be eval'ed and prints it along
> # with showing the return value
> sep = ' => '
> begin
> result = eval(code)
> puts code + sep + result.inspect
> return result
> rescue Exception => e
> puts code + sep + e.to_s
> return nil
> end
> end

Hi John,

You can write than method even more terse:

def describe code
sep = ' => '
result = eval(code)
puts code + sep + result.inspect
return result
rescue Exception => e
puts code + sep + e.to_s
# puts already returns nil
end

Cheers,
Daniel

Daniel Schierbeck

7/11/2006 6:44:00 PM

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Daniel Schierbeck wrote:
> John wrote:
>> def describe code
>> # takes a string to be eval'ed and prints it along
> > # with showing the return value
>> sep = ' => '
>> begin
>> result = eval(code)
>> puts code + sep + result.inspect
>> return result
>> rescue Exception => e
>> puts code + sep + e.to_s
>> return nil
>> end
>> end
>
> Hi John,
>
> You can write than method even more terse:
>
> def describe code
> sep = ' => '
> result = eval(code)
> puts code + sep + result.inspect
> return result
> rescue Exception => e
> puts code + sep + e.to_s
> # puts already returns nil
> end

or perhaps even

def describe code
out = eval(code).inspect
rescue Exception => e
out = e.to_s; nil
ensure
puts code + " => " + out
end


Cheers,
Daniel

dave.burt

7/12/2006 2:16:00 AM

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Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good IDE?

Check out xmp for vim for code evaluation and annotation:
http://eigenclass.org/hiki.rb?Enhanced+xmp+code+evaluation+and+...

And the breakpoint library (ask Google where it is).

> Can anyone recommend a good... I don't know the proper term for this
> but... a GUI toolkit?

If you've used TK with Perl, you can use your existing TK knowledge
with Ruby, too.

Cheers,
Dave

James Gray

7/12/2006 3:25:00 AM

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On Jul 11, 2006, at 9:20 PM, dave.burt@gmail.com wrote:

> Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality wrote:
>> Can anyone recommend a good IDE?
>
> Check out xmp for vim for code evaluation and annotation:
> http://eigenclass.org/hiki.rb?Enhanced+xmp+code+eval...
> +annotation

For those of you that use TextMate, this is now bundled with the
editor as the Execute and Update ‘# =>’ Markers command in the Ruby
bundle menu.

James Edward Gray II

Logan Capaldo

7/13/2006 3:54:00 AM

0


On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Daniel Schierbeck wrote:

> Daniel Schierbeck wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>> def describe code
>>> # takes a string to be eval'ed and prints it along
>> > # with showing the return value
>>> sep = ' => '
>>> begin
>>> result = eval(code)
>>> puts code + sep + result.inspect
>>> return result
>>> rescue Exception => e
>>> puts code + sep + e.to_s
>>> return nil
>>> end
>>> end
>> Hi John,
>> You can write than method even more terse:
>> def describe code
>> sep = ' => '
>> result = eval(code)
>> puts code + sep + result.inspect
>> return result
>> rescue Exception => e
>> puts code + sep + e.to_s
>> # puts already returns nil
>> end
>
> or perhaps even
>
> def describe code
> out = eval(code).inspect
> rescue Exception => e
> out = e.to_s; nil
> ensure
> puts code + " => " + out
> end
>
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>

def describe code
require 'xmp'
xmp code
end

I cheated though