Pieter
6/25/2009 10:26:00 AM
"MikeRyder" <nono@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
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> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:14:26 +0200, "Pieter" <hrdouwes@zonnet.nl>
> wrote:
>>"MikeRyder" <nono@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
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>>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:56:42 +0200, "Pieter" <hrdouwes@zonnet.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"MikeRyder" <nono@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
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>>>>
>>>>> The author talks about miracles uniting us directly with our brothers.
>>>>> And he also talks about Revelation which directly unites us with God.
>>>>> There are TWO components to the Course, and for healing both have to
>>>>> be in place.
>>>>
>>>>Exactly!
>>>>
>>>>> Pete continues to talk about miracles. I am talking about
>>>>> Revelation.
>>>>
>>>>The point is *how* to communicate
>>>>on it with your brothers. That's what
>>>>lesson 158 is about.
>>>
>>> That's right.
>>
>>- Did you study (and fathom) lesson 158?
>>[NB 2 more responses below]
>>
>>> I'd like to suggest that you go back to the beginning of
>>> the war deborah, lopez and radgosky have been waging. All I did was
>>> try to open a discussion about Revelation--that was the ONLY thing i
>>> did--and first deborah went bersek followed by the others including
>>> lee flynn. It's as if they think discussion about Revelation is
>>> opening the door to hell.
>>>
>>> I'm going to tell you again, pete, dont look at just me as the source
>>> of the current war. If you insist on pinpointing me, you also need to
>>> look at deborah, flynn, lopez and his boy radgosky.
>>>
>>> Bottom line, ego does not WANT to consider Revelation. The threat to
>>> its seeming existence is too great. The stakes are too high.
>>
>>The author of ACIM distinguishes
>>between his brothers and the egos they
>>made for themselves and others, knowing
>>that his brothers are real, while their egos
>>are mere illusion. Knowing the difference
>>between reality and illusion, it is very easy
>>for him to pay no attention to illusions. He
>>describes the ego thought *system* to us,
>>so that we can free ourselves from it (with
>>the indispensable help of our inner Guide).
>>
>>You on the other hand seem to pin down
>>your brothers to their egos, and speak to
>>them as if the *were* egos. And thus
>>ignoring their reality. Yet you seem to
>>be surprised that you do not reach them.
>>
>>> As for me right now, I've been postponing important work to sit here
>>> and be called every name in the book. I need to get back to work. I'm
>>> not going to bring up Revelation much in the future so the egos here
>>> can have a chance to take a breather. But...I will still be here for
>>> the duration.
>>
>>Everything you perceive is a witness to
>>the thought system you want to be true.
>>Every brother has the power to release
>>you, if you choose to be free. You
>>cannot accept false witness of him unless
>>you have evoked false witnesses against
>>him. If he speaks not of Christ to you,
>>you spoke not of Christ to him. You hear
>>but your own voice, and if Christ speaks
>>through you, you will hear Him.
>>
>
> Thanks for the lecture, pete, though I'm already aware of all you've
> posted here.
If you already were aware of all of it,
then it could not be a lecture for you.
I guess you know that the passage
just above is from ACIM?
> I'm too busy right now to reply in depth,
- It would be of great use
for me if you replied in depth.
(Being too busy to reply in depth
could mean you would meet
problems in doing it.)
> so I'll just
> leave it as this: Sometimes to get to heaven one has to first go to
> hell. Maybe in the hell two or three posters have made out of this
> newsgroup (again) over the past couple weeks, they've had the chance
> now to take a look at their egostitical performances. I've been
> willing to help them see it. Now maybe, they'll start to pull back
> from what they've been doing. I dont know this, of course, but time
> will tell I guess. If this prompts another correction lecture from
> you, or more filthy name calling from them, so be it.