Zev
1/15/2010 12:27:00 PM
On Jan 15, 6:19 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Jan 13, 5:30 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 12, 10:39 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On Jan 12, 5:15 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 11, 9:08 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 11, 6:52 am, Zev <zev_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> ???
> > > > > > ??????:35de56f0-4648-472e-9a2f-
> > > > > > d31cafe21...@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > On Jan 8, 5:09 am, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > A little aside: the nearby parts of West Bank have been vastly
> > > > > > > improved both directly and indirectly with American money.
> > > > > > > That value
> > > > > > > added in the form of housing, infrastructure, etc., must be a
> > > > > > > factor
> > > > > > > in the trade-off because it belongs, lock, stock and barrel to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Palestinians, improvements and all. If you build a house on my
> > > > > > > land, I
> > > > > > > own it, period. That's American common law anyway. The more
> > > > > > > Israel
> > > > > > > keeps, the greater the multiples in raw land she will have to
> > > > > > > cede to
> > > > > > > the Palestinians to equalize the *value*. It seems to me that
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > should militate in favor of abandoning some of the large
> > > > > > > settlements,
> > > > > > > INTACT AND UNDAMAGED that is, with value not trashed as it was
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > Gaza. Doesn't Israel owe that at least to the United States?
> > > > > > > She
> > > > > > > certainly does. How could she consider playing fast and loose
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > our investment given the fact that in accord with tradition in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > relationship, we will have to fund the rehabilitation of
> > > > > > > Palestine
> > > > > > > which Israel destroyed. If this new infrastructure is
> > > > > > > destroyed we
> > > > > > > will in essence have to pay for it twice. We'll also probably
> > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > pay Israel to behave herself sort of like the Swiss Banks did
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Holocaust Industry. There is not much doubt about that.
>
> > > > > > The fact that Israel is sovereign in the entire WB
> > > > > > destroys your argument.
>
> > > > > Pathetic, Zev.
>
> > > > An anomaly, Ico.
> > > > Your point?
>
> > > That you ignore law, politics and reality. Everything else aside, she
> > > is not sovereign even in the functional sense. She runs a military
> > > occupation. She is attempting to colonize it and is having
> > > difficulties doing that. The struggle with its native people is
> > > ongoing. Gaining territory by conquest and colonizing it are both
> > > expressly illegal. There is even a competing government there which
> > > denies her sovereignty absolutely. And as I say, the war against the
> > > occupied people renewed in 1967 continues. Her occupation is deemed
> > > illegitimate by the entire world, including her poodle, the US. Israel
> > > badly lacks legitimacy on the West Bank. And legitimacy, i.e.,
> > > acceptance by the world community as the rightful ruler, is an aspect
> > > of sovereignty.
>
> > > You ask questions to which you already know the answer but that's fine
> > > with me.
>
> > Everywhere in the world, except the M.E.
> > all of the aspects of sovereignty come together,
> > either you have them all, or you don't have any.
> > That's why it's anomalous.
> > It shouldn't be *that* difficult to understand.
>
> Ah, I see what you mean by anomalous. It was sort of a whine. Every
> other nationality got to kick, shove, bite and push to carve out the
> land they wanted. Poor Israel came to the game too late---or is it
> antisemitism in another form? Call it what you like but the law's been
> changed. 17th Century Law of War no longer applies.Occupations are
> regulated and must be brief. Subject populations are protected. They
> can not be displaced nor can they be divested of a right of return.
> Military occupations the result of war can not evolve into
> sovereignty. International human rights law is a relatively new
> animal. There is also the problem Israel has with her sponsor. We are
> not expansionist. We oppose aggression for territorial gain. It's not
> something we can oppose and support at the same time.
>
> So no, it is not anomalous. Israel is out of step with the modern
> world.
No border, no previous sovereignty,
since 1922, Jewish right to live in modern Palestine
without discrimination.
In short, an anomaly.
And BTW, if you don’t take an interest in Goa or Tibet,
don’t expect me to take your supposed
legality/morality seriously.