On 25 Jul., 20:15, Deborah <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:27:50 -0700 (PDT),maz<m...@solcon.nl> wrote:
> >On 25 jul, 12:14, "Pieter" <hrdou...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
> >> "Deborah" <debo...@modabelam.com> schreef in berichtnews:jjli84h1i7loh7aqnu5jtlvum3qdm5u8qj@4ax.com...
>
> >> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:58:12 +0200, "maz" <m...@solcon.nl_> wrote:
>
> >> >>>who are you to whom the Course is given
>
> >> >>I think the "you" to whom the course is given is the "you" who
> >> >>believes it has left God. <<
>
> >> >>Thus, a member of the Sonship,
> >> >>which now is one of the separated ones,
> >> >>to return under Guidance of the leader
> >> >>of the Atonement, distinct and as one
> >> >>with all other members of the Sonship.
>
> >> >>IOW, the you is the Soul. ?
>
> >> > Not exactly the soul, I don't think. The mind, which is the only
> >> > creative (or miscreative level). My impression is that nothing can
> >> > change with the soul, which is already fully created, but the mind can
> >> > go awry.
>
> >> The passage which says that "mind is the
> >> only creative level", is in the context of
> >> using *the mind* to heal, instead of
> >> physical means. Here with "mind" the Soul
> >> is included, since it is from the Soul that it
> >> derives its whole power to create:
>
> >> "707. The mind DID divide itself when it willed to create
> >> its own levels AND the ability to perceive them. But it
> >> could NOT entirely separate itself from the Soul, because
> >> *it is FROM the Soul that it derives its whole power to create*."
> >> (T-3.IV.5:8-9)
>
> >1734. [...] For you DO have control over your mind, for the mind is
> >the mechanism of decision.
>
> >OK, Deborah says the "you" is the mind. Who are you who has control
> >over your mind?
>
> >thanks,maz
>
> You do not think the mind can have control over itself?
Like, I have control over myself, for I am the mechanism of decision?
namazté