Carrie
7/26/2008 2:34:00 PM
"george" <georgeculolias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 26, 6:31 am, "Carrie" <starchild1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Deborah" <debo...@modabelam.com> wrote in message
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> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:27:50 -0700 (PDT), maz <m...@solcon.nl> wrote:
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> >>On 25 jul, 12:14, "Pieter" <hrdou...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
> >>> "Deborah" <debo...@modabelam.com> schreef in
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> >>> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:58:12 +0200, "maz" <m...@solcon.nl_> wrote:
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> >>> >>>who are you to whom the Course is given
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> >>> >>I think the "you" to whom the course is given is the "you" who
> >>> >>believes it has left God. <<
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> >>> >>Thus, a member of the Sonship,
> >>> >>which now is one of the separated ones,
> >>> >>to return under Guidance of the leader
> >>> >>of the Atonement, distinct and as one
> >>> >>with all other members of the Sonship.
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> >>> >>IOW, the you is the Soul. ?
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> >>> > Not exactly the soul, I don't think. The mind, which is the only
> >>> > creative (or miscreative level). My impression is that nothing can
> >>> > change with the soul, which is already fully created, but the mind
> >>> > can
> >>> > go awry.
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> >>> The passage which says that "mind is the
> >>> only creative level", is in the context of
> >>> using *the mind* to heal, instead of
> >>> physical means. Here with "mind" the Soul
> >>> is included, since it is from the Soul that it
> >>> derives its whole power to create:
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> >>> "707. The mind DID divide itself when it willed to create
> >>> its own levels AND the ability to perceive them. But it
> >>> could NOT entirely separate itself from the Soul, because
> >>> *it is FROM the Soul that it derives its whole power to create*."
> >>> (T-3.IV.5:8-9)
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> >>1734. [...] For you DO have control over your mind, for the mind is
> >>the mechanism of decision.
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> >>OK, Deborah says the "you" is the mind. Who are you who has control
> >>over your mind?
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> >>thanks, maz
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> > You do not think the mind can have control over itself?
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> The way some here have written, blaming someone else for "making" them
> feel a certain way, making them mad, making them feel guilty/defensive,
> annoying them, etc. they do seem to feel they aren't in control of their
> own
> mind and choices.
> I ask (but no one answers) "if you don't make your own choices, in how you
> see/believe something, how you feel about it, what you think is right or
> wrong, etc who or what does this for you?"
> Are you the helpless victim of someone writing words on the computer
> screen?
> Not you, personally, but those who blame someone else for "making" them
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What you are talking about is not taking responsibility for one's own
actions. They made me do it. In truth, that is impossible.
Well, people here tell me I "do" things to them and I DON'T take
responsibility for my own words (all we have here are words)
Which somehow have effects on them, they have no choice or control over.